Is Conservative Government Guilty Of War Crimes?
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Storms in teacups tend to stay in teacups. All this hot air from the media and the opposition is just that, hot air.
So someone roughed up a terrorist, big deal. Enquire about an inquiry or inquire about an enquiry, same result, waste of taxpayers money.
So someone roughed up a terrorist, big deal. Enquire about an inquiry or inquire about an enquiry, same result, waste of taxpayers money.
I couldn't agree more. Sure, it's too bad if a terrorist or two got kicked around a bit, but really...I believe our soldiers have suffered too, in a much bigger way...are enquiries/inquiries going on at terrorist HQ to see if everything was handled just tickety-boo and if the "feelings and self-esteem" of our soldiers was handled properly when some dirtbag blew up their jeep? Do we need to spend this much time, money, and attention on it?
I'd rather see some more focus on issues facing this country internally and we have lots of them. If somebody in government make a mistake a while back, so be it. Let the government department in charge deal with it. If the system over there has since been fixed, then what are we supposed to do...turn back the clock?
I'm extremely proud of our soldiers over there. I could never do what they're doing in such a professional way. I'm afraid I would have considered arranging a few "accidents" for some of those scumbags on the way to the prison, and then any alleged torture - which is still a matter of opinion - would have been totally unnecessary. Seriously, our soldiers are putting their lives on the line! That is completely unlike participating in a university-style debate on social issues, which is what I am reminded of when I hear from some of our armchair experts, all comfy at home in front of their computers. War is not a theoretical exercise...it's an ugly matter of life and death. You sometimes have to kill the bad guys to win. That is reality.
And now the experts will come charging out of the woodwork with rabid spittle flying in all directions and keyboards clicking away at the speed of light, defending our military and reminding me that nobody is accusing our soldiers of anything, it's the government that's at fault.
Well, stuff it - it's a bloody Canadian issue...have you never heard of teamwork? Are we not supposedly all in this together? And I support what Canada is doing over there. If they made a little goof, then welcome to the human race. Who hasn't? Besides, as far as I'm concerned, any alleged mistake on these poor, defenceless terrorists was made in Canada's favour. That would be one for our side!
Geez, this whole thing has gotten completely out of perspective and I've already voiced that opinion to the media...all of them. Not that it matters, because they appear to be determined to make this "news." I wish they could remember their role is to report the news, not make the news. Well, it's bloody well not news to me...it's the opposite...it's old and happened a while back. And, I SIMPLY DO NOT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT IT! Go on to the next big "story", please.
I think Mr. Harper is wise to publicly lay low on it. I'm glad he's spending his time on more meaningful (to me) issues like a big trip to Asia to promote Canada, trade, tourism, etc. A much better use of his time...on behalf of all of us. Whether all of us wish to recognize it or not.
That's my opinion.
Exactly, Countryboy- I don't think our Charter of Rights and Freedoms includes the riff raff around Kandahar.
Unfortunately, it is not clear who the terrorists are. Is it the people invading a foreign nation's soil or those defending their country from an invading force. It turns out that we are there under false pretenses so I can see how Afghans see us as terrorists. You, on the other hand, seem to be still living under the delusion that we are there for altruistic reasons.
Now I find this very strange logic indeed. You claim that you don’t trust Conservative politicians, that they are capable of lying. Yet when we don’t’ know the facts, you want to give it a rest, sweep the whole thing under a rug? Are you sure you are not a Conservative?
Tell me something JLM; did you argue the same way during the sponsorship scandal? Did you say, well Liberal politicians are capable of lying, but we don’t know what happened, so let us put the whole thing to rest, there is no need for public inquiry? Did you argue this way? Or did you loudly demand for a public inquiry? I know all the Conservatives did (the same ones who don’t want to know the facts now, who want to put the whole thing to rest).
Again, are you sure you are not a Conservative?
Quite so, if it is a Conservative scandal, it is a storm in a teacup. If it is a Liberal scandal, it is the crime of the century, the Liberal politicians deserve the gallows. Spoken like a true Harper acolyte.
I am going to make some points, which you really should record so you don't have to keep asking the same questions, maybe put them on a couple of floppies and deposit a copy in your safety deposit box so you don't have to keep asking me.
1. I am apolitical (and have been for about 12 years)
2. The sponsorship scandal had a lot to do with bureaucrats and very little to do with politicians
3. I have a life outside of political events and any interest I have is generally momentary. Things like the sponsorship scandal and all of the corruption under Trudeau and Mulroney are just a hazy memory.
4. I don't attribute personal traits to political parties.
5. I don't delve into things like Afghanistan at length- it's a war, in war nobody worries about playing "fair"- each side is mainly interested in staying alive and killing the foe. Some of those Muslims/Taliban/ Alqaeda are apt to get their knuckles scraped up. SO WHAT?
6. Unlike you I don't necessarily stick to any set procedure when debating...it could well be that every morning when I wake up my take on a situation may be a little different, I reserve that right. I live in the real world which is constantly changing.- but like I said before I have OTHER AND OFTEN BIGGER FISH TO FRY.
In keeping with the subject of the thread, IS CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES?, I have a few questions that might appear to be off-topic, but I'm establishing background here for a meaningful discussion:
1. Did those bigger fish veer to the right or the left just before they took the hook?
2. I suppose you were using a right-handed frying pan to cook them.
3. When you place the fish in the pan, do you use your right or left hand?
4. When you wake up in the morning with a (possible) different take on any given situation, do you exit the bed on the left or the right?
If you answer "right" to any of the above questions, it will scientifically prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are indeed a Conservative. Right? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
A good start would be within those military documents..
I believe the Red Cross also had some information..
I am willing to forgo Amnesty International's information but the above two would be a good start.
As well as looking into the prison in Afghanistan if it is required, but truthfully I think our own documents would not even require us to go that far..
The sad truth about Afghanistan is that many of us supported a war that should have been quick to get rid of Osama and his merry men the Taliban..
Speaking of which, why does Osama still walk the planet ? Why could we find Saddam in a small hole in the ground yet we cannot find a much older man whether it be in Mountains or even cities in which he moves in quite freely ?
Speaking of which, why does Osama still walk the planet ? Why could we find Saddam in a small hole in the ground yet we cannot find a much older man whether it be in Mountains or even cities in which he moves in quite freely ?
Good question, Francis, why is he still walking the planet?
Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that he is revered by fanatics all over the middle east who with or without a bribe would be only too willing to protect him. Or that he has money up the ying-yang with which to bribe all those scumbag terrorist bungholes. Maybe it is the fact that the taliban despite the UN Armed Forces best efforts still hold the territory near the Pakistan/Afghan border where there are no roads to speak of and the terrain is mountainous and riddled with caves wherein the little twerp could easily hide out for years. As far as travelling around in cities, how in heck do you know this??? And, if he is how hard would it be to disguise himself? I am sure there are other reasons he has not yet been caught, but these are the few that come to mind.
But then, that's just my opinion.
Ah, but perhaps we're all wrong in assuming that Osama actually exists. When pondering this "why can't he be found" issue, have we considered that he might not even be real?
Sure, there are videos and photos of him, but does that constitue scientific proof? These days, computer graphics can be used to do all kinds of wonderful things.
What if Osama was created as part of a right-wing plot to focus their hatred and greed for oil on a singular villan to get the public behind the cause? What if George W. Bush hired a team of Hollywood talents to craft this character and bring him to life? What if we've spent gobs of cash and shed tons of blood in the futile pursuit of someone who doesn't actually exist? What if the entire White House administration was involved in a sinister plot to deliberately mislead the entire world? What if...well, the possibilites are endless, are they not?
That's not really an opinion - I'm just asking...
I see, so you were not really able to answer my question, did you argue the same way during Liberal scandal, did you say let us not hold the politicians accountable (as you are evidently saying now). What you launched was a lengthy, rambling filibuster.
So I can only conclude that while you were all for holding the Liberal politicians accountable (during the sponsorship scandal), you don’t really think there is any need to hold the conservatives accountable, you have bigger fish to fry.
I got my answer, thanks.