Is Conservative Government Guilty Of War Crimes?
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Get a grip. First: if any torture is being done over there, it's not by reps of the Canadian gov't. Second: If there's torture going on by Canadians, it's probably by the military. As the military are not elected or appointed by the gov't, they are relatively independent. Third: not commenting on torture and covering up torture are two different things. It's best (ask any lawyer) not to blurt out all and any information about something when you are investigating it.
Was the gov't guilty of war crimes when aPAULing Martin went fund raising for the Tamil Tigers? The Tigers business includes terrorism.
Rules do not apply there ?
Since when do rules not apply to people who are not yet proven terrorists ?
I think rules are being bent, by our Government to meet the definition they wish it to mean, in a war zone to sometimes justify actions that are inappropriate by most standards.
Also, since when are rules not applicable to Canada, hence our Government lying to us, and not having to account for it ? I had no clue we lived in Afghanistan ?
OUR rules DO NOT APPLY beyond our shores. They are a different culture. As soon as we learn to understand that THEY ARE NOT US, we may get to understand their way of life. It is complete arrogance to believe one can impose his own way on people who don't want us there. Narrow-mindedness only complicates things and promotes more hate.
I don't know what planet you live on, liberalman, but the CBC is sooooo anti-Conservative anyone with half a brain can see it. The CBC is a tool of the lefties and the libs.
The CBC should get out of the news business and stick with sports - at least they were good at that.
But then, that's just my opinion. ;-)
Geneva Convention still applies in these cases.. It might not to terrorist but until they are defined as so it does..
I am not referring to rules of engagement or laws ... I am referring to rules ... as in codes, different cultures, ways of life, what is acceptable etc. Tell me .... What does a Taliban look like? Are they supposed to look like eight-year-old boys with hand grenades? That's what the one who killed my cousin looked like.
Now ... who is being lied to?
So two wrong make a right..
Did I say the Taliban should be spared ? Nope.. Please point to that fact if I did..
I am talking about people who have not yet been proven guilty..
Its so easy to tar everyone a Taliban that is in Afghanistan..
Damn lets just nuke the place and bring our troops home then.. Why waste our good people like your cousin if that be the case ?
No I replied and asked you valid questions..
I agree we bring home the troops first..
I have absolutely no tolerance for torture. Period.
Now, the definition......protracted abuse, including water-boarding, no matter what Dick Cheney says.
That said, the idea that our government is guilty of "war crimes" (whatever the hell they are) is ludicrous in the extreme. Evidence suggests one prisoner was turned over to the ANP, and was beaten once by them (abuse, but hardly torture) and was then reclaimed by Canadian soldiers......who deserve to be commended, BTW, not held under suspicion.
An inquiry is out of the question.....talk about handing the enemy a propaganda blitz!!!!!
But we need to control our own prisoners....NATO should build a modern prison and man it with Afghans under tight western control....teach them proper behaviour towards prisoners, and modern interogation techniques that do not require torture.......
Now, the definition......protracted abuse, including water-boarding, no matter what Dick Cheney says.
That said, the idea that our government is guilty of "war crimes" (whatever the hell they are) is ludicrous in the extreme. Evidence suggests one prisoner was turned over to the ANP, and was beaten once by them (abuse, but hardly torture) and was then reclaimed by Canadian soldiers......who deserve to be commended, BTW, not held under suspicion.
An inquiry is out of the question.....talk about handing the enemy a propaganda blitz!!!!!
But we need to control our own prisoners....NATO should build a modern prison and man it with Afghans under tight western control....teach them proper behaviour towards prisoners, and modern interogation techniques that do not require torture.......
Lone Wolf...The Good Ship Lollipop?!? That is one of the best and most appropriate lines I've ever heard! You are hitting a very important point there...I used to use "naive" to describe what you're talking about, but "the Ship" gets the message across better. (Would take a bit of 'splaining to the younger crowd) :smile:
I can see one or two political parties picking up on that one as a bus slogan for the next election campaign. "We'll save the world with the Good Ship Lollipop!" Just watch out for the icebergs! You could build an entire comedy routine around that one, if it wasn't focused on such a tragic subject.
I'm sorry to hear about your cousin...that is tragic. An old school mate of mine lost her 21 yr. old son over there last year and there just aren't any words...
"The smartest person in the world is the one that understands they don't know everything." I don't know who said that but it was obviously someone with a few smarts.
And that is exactly what I have heard so far, Colpy - one prisoner was abused. Not a good thing but s*&t happens and the hew and cry for politician's heads is beyond stupid. Thanks for the post.
This is a classic case of cover up, Francis. The government is in the first phase of the cover up process. The first phase usually involves denying that anything wrong took place and to shoot the messenger. Also, to get your acolytes and minions to go on the attack in newspapers, blogs, TV news media etc. to trash the whistle blower and (of course) the opposition.
The second phase depends upon what the outcome is. If people buy the government propaganda and forget the whole thing, that is where it rests. If people are not satisfied, if the questions persist, if more documentary evidence emerges (perhaps more whistle blowers show up), the next phase would be to refer it to RCMP, claim that since it is under judicial investigation it would be inappropriate to comment on it and thus refuse to give any further information. But in general the less information government gives out, the more cover up it does, the better off it is.
A Public inquiry is a Hail Mary pass, and will be only done if government starts slipping in polls. Especially if they fall behind the Liberals, then public inquiry is very likely. They have nothing to lose by it. And if they can appoint a committed Harper acolyte to head it, there is a good chance that he may exonerate the Messiah completely and perhaps even manage to blame Liberals and NDP for the torture.
But we are in the initial phases of a long, arduous cover up process. It remains to be seen how it turns out, whether Canadians buy the government propaganda.