Sin and Satan EXPOSED

[pfrattali]

You don't understand what 'SIN' is, my friend. Sin is not primarily 'actions' of wrongdoing and evil. Sin is primarily a 'state of being'. It is a WILLFUL SEPARATION FROM GOD by an individual. Let me ask you a question. If God existed, would you love Him and follow Him? If you answered 'NO' for whatever reason, it proves that He gave you free will WHETHER TO FOLLOW HIM OR NOT.
I'm not pushing anything down your throat, and neither is God. Which ever way you've made up your mind, I respect your decision and I'm not going to fight you!

 

[lone wolf]

Sin is a feeling that comes from within - guilt/remorse. From without, it's just a label for someone else to hide behind

 

[Francis2004]

Sin.............. Hum......

II. THE DEFINITION OF SIN

1849 Sin is an offense against reason, truth, and right conscience; it is failure in genuine love for God and neighbor caused by a perverse attachment to certain goods. It wounds the nature of man and injures human solidarity. It has been defined as "an utterance, a deed, or a desire contrary to the eternal law."121

1850 Sin is an offense against God: "Against you, you alone, have I sinned, and done that which is evil in your sight."122 Sin sets itself against God's love for us and turns our hearts away from it. Like the first sin, it is disobedience, a revolt against God through the will to become "like gods,"123 knowing and determining good and evil. Sin is thus "love of oneself even to contempt of God."124 In this proud self- exaltation, sin is diametrically opposed to the obedience of Jesus, which achieves our salvation.125

1851 It is precisely in the Passion, when the mercy of Christ is about to vanquish it, that sin most clearly manifests its violence and its many forms: unbelief, murderous hatred, shunning and mockery by the leaders and the people, Pilate's cowardice and the cruelty of the soldiers, Judas' betrayal - so bitter to Jesus, Peter's denial and the disciples' flight. However, at the very hour of darkness, the hour of the prince of this world,126 the sacrifice of Christ secretly becomes the source from which the forgiveness of our sins will pour forth inexhaustibly.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Sin

 

[pfrattali]

Guilt/remorse are by-products of SIN, friend. It's God's way of saying you've overstepped boundaries. When this happens, you SUFFER the consequences. How do you warn your children not to touch a hot stove? With words. If they don't listen to you, how will they learn. Through experience. They'll touch the stove, then they'll feel pain. Have they learned their lesson? Hopefully.

 

[lone wolf]

So ... WHO is GOD?

 

[pfrattali]

There's absolutely no evidence that gods give a hoot about anything concerning humans or even Earth.I think it's foolish to love a creature that kills innocent kids and allows other humans to molest them.

If a woman gets an abortion, who does the killing? Is it God? Did God not give you free will by that choice?

 

[Francis2004]

If a woman gets an abortion, who does the killing? Is it God? Did God not give you free will by that choice?

Perhaps.. God gave us the tools to learn how to do abortions.. He is an accomplice..

 

[AnnaG]

If a woman gets an abortion, who does the killing? Is it God? Did God not give you free will by that choice?

Who designed free will? These gods, right? Is a general not responsible for what the troops under him do? What's the purpose of authority if the responsibility is not taken by the top of the totem pole? The way I see it is that humans are just following gods' examples. Gods kill loads of people. The Christian god killed more than 10 million people just in the Bible alone.
Speaking of kids, what did the 3 year old ever do wrong to deserve getting cancer and dying? If the parent had never done anything other than some minor sin, why would he or she deserve to be deprived of their baby? Wake up and smell the coffee. Gods just don't give a crap what goes on.

 

[Mowich]

Hey! How come the link to the picture was disconnected?

I was wondering that too, Cliffy. When I moused it all I got was a pop up with a bunch of goobley- gook?????

 

[AnnaG]

A car maker sells me a car. In the car is a part that's designed to screw up. Whose responsibility is it that this car will fail because someone purposefully put a part in it that is designed to fail? Is it the user? Is it the car maker? Is it the road?

 

[Mowich]

Definition of sin from Answers.com



noun

1. A wicked act or wicked behavior: crime, deviltry, diablerie, evil, evildoing, immorality, iniquity, misdeed, offense, peccancy, wickedness, wrong, wrongdoing. See right/wrong.
2. That which is morally bad or objectionable: evil, iniquity, peccancy, wickedness, wrong. See right/wrong.
3. Something that offends one's sense of propriety, fairness, or justice: crime, offense, outrage. See right/wrong.

verb


To violate a moral or divine law: err, offend, transgress, trespass. See right/wrong.


What is divine law?

Divine law is any law (or rule) that in the opinion of believers, comes directly from the will of God (or a god). Like natural law (which may be seen as a manifestation of divine law) it is independent of the will of man, who cannot change it. However it may be revealed or not, so it may change in human perception in time through new revelation.
In Thomas Aquinas's Treatise on Law, Divine Law, as opposed to Natural Law, comes only from revelation or scripture, hence Biblical law, and is necessary for human salvation.



God

1. 1. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
   2. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

.....our relationships with others (i.e., family, friends, etc.) go on a downward spiral. Believe me, they tend to FAIL.

Not in my life. My experience is precisely the opposite, life's been a lot better since I threw all deities out of it.

TRUST ME

Nope. I think you're labouring under a delusion.

 

[Colpy]

Sin is a feeling that comes from within - guilt/remorse. From without, it's just a label for someone else to hide behind

Too easy, Wolfie......that would mean a sociopath (think Ted Bundy) would be "without sin".......

 

[lone wolf]

Too easy, Wolfie......that would mean a sociopath (think Ted Bundy) would be "without sin".......

I kind of have my doubts whether Ted Bundy would have any feelings of remorse ... and really wouldn't give a damn about other folks ideas of sin

 

[Colpy]

I kind of have my doubts whether Ted Bundy would have any feelings of remorse ... and really wouldn't give a damn about other folks ideas of sin

My point exactly....no conscience, and by your definition posted earlier......no sin.

 

[lone wolf]

Ain't psycho grand?

 

[pfrattali]

A car maker sells me a car. In the car is a part that's designed to screw up. Whose responsibility is it that this car will fail because someone purposefully put a part in it that is designed to fail? Is it the user? Is it the car maker? Is it the road?

Ok, I can use your argument this way then. Let's say the car was perfect; no flaws, its designed to run perfectly without any breakdown. I take the car, and I let it run until its out gas, the oil hasn't been changed, etc., etc.. The car doesn't run anymore because its out of gas and I haven't maintained it. Are you going to the Car Maker to tell Him, " see, what have you created? my car doesn't run anymore! It's flawed." Think about the point I'm trying to make to you. It's not about flaws. It's about not running things properly. SIN is willful separation from God, for whatever reason; because you don't believe He exists, because you're angry at Him (probably through some misunderstanding), because you enjoy your independence from God, whatever. I suspect it's because you enjoy your independence from God. It drives you to accuse Him of being evil and to have nothing to do with an 'evil' God. God created man perfect, but man became flawed because of the SIN choice that was made. That choice was independence from God, to be YOUR OWN GOD so to speak.

By saying 'well if creation is not perfect, it means God does not exist because God is perfect and He wouldn't create something that's flawed' is absolutely absurd.

 

[lone wolf]

Seems to me I've heard the same points from people addicted to AA. Because I don't drink, I'm considered a latent alcoholic to the really rabid ones.

 

[Cliffy]

By saying 'well if creation is not perfect, it means God does not exist because God is perfect and He wouldn't create something that's flawed' is absolutely absurd.

What is absurd is your argument. It is easier to prove the bible is a work of fiction than it is to prove that god exists. If the bible is fiction, and of that I have no doubt, then the god of the bible (the Torah and the Quran) is a fiction too. So although there may have been an entity that caused the Universe to come into existence, the psychopathic lunatic in the bible is not it.

If a god created everything in the Universe, it is quite egotistical to believe that humans are of any more importance to it than say the creatures living on Alpha Centauri. With the limited scope of human knowledge of life on other planets, it seems rather silly to believe that we are any more important in the greater scheme of things than a speck of dust.

 

[sibes]

Today it's considered politically incorrect to admit there is such a thing as sin. It's also becoming popular to discount the Bible as a worthless piece of fiction. These are uneducated views. The moral foundation of right and wrong in our society comes from the Bible. Biblical concepts have forged our future. For example, Martin Luther King, Jr. relied heavily on biblical argument in his battle for civil rights. Without the Bible, many reforms may have never taken place. When you dismiss the Bible as a mere work of fiction, you identify yourself as illiterate.