Sin and Satan EXPOSED

[lone wolf]

Today it's considered politically incorrect to admit there is such a thing as sin. It's also becoming popular to discount the Bible as a worthless piece of fiction. These are uneducated views. The moral foundation of right and wrong in our society comes from the Bible. Biblical concepts have forged our future. For example, Martin Luther King, Jr. relied heavily on biblical argument in his battle for civil rights. Without the Bible, many reforms may have never taken place. When you dismiss the Bible as a mere work of fiction, you identify yourself as illiterate.

If one has read it and come to his/her own terms with it, one can hardly be illiterate

 

[Socrates the Greek]

“When you dismiss the Bible as a mere work of fiction, you identify yourself as illiterate”

Your plea for others understanding in God’s work is a bit on the extreme.

Spiritual biliving is a free choice, if you bilive that god will save you first before the person who is sitting on the fence not sure if there is a god, that is your philosofical choice.
Every one sees this suprime energy with a difrent set of glasses. Calling people illiterate becouse they have a defrent take on the icon of God is judgmental and ignorent.

 

[Cliffy]

Today it's considered politically incorrect to admit there is such a thing as sin. It's also becoming popular to discount the Bible as a worthless piece of fiction. These are uneducated views. The moral foundation of right and wrong in our society comes from the Bible. Biblical concepts have forged our future. For example, Martin Luther King, Jr. relied heavily on biblical argument in his battle for civil rights. Without the Bible, many reforms may have never taken place. When you dismiss the Bible as a mere work of fiction, you identify yourself as illiterate.

People who do not know the history, the origins of the bible are illiterate. The racist views of people were originally based in the bible, so using it as a tool to remove racism is kinda like using shoe polish to remove a shoe polish stain. Ignorance is believing you are better than anybody else.

 

[AnnaG]

Ok, I can use your argument this way then. Let's say the car was perfect; no flaws, its designed to run perfectly without any breakdown. I take the car, and I let it run until its out gas, the oil hasn't been changed, etc., etc.. The car doesn't run anymore because its out of gas and I haven't maintained it. Are you going to the Car Maker to tell Him, " see, what have you created? my car doesn't run anymore! It's flawed."

Sure. Serves the manufacturer right for not including an owner's handbook with lucid and concise directions for maintaining the car.

Think about the point I'm trying to make to you. It's not about flaws. It's about not running things properly.

Exactly. I've seen some awfully lousy management.

SIN is willful separation from God, for whatever reason; because you don't believe He exists, because you're angry at Him (probably through some misunderstanding), because you enjoy your independence from God, whatever.

So if one disobeys unintentionally, then one is off the hook. I see.

I suspect it's because you enjoy your independence from God. It drives you to accuse Him of being evil and to have nothing to do with an 'evil' God. God created man perfect, but man became flawed because of the SIN choice that was made. That choice was independence from God, to be YOUR OWN GOD so to speak.

And who was the moron that designed things that way? Or is it claiming ignorance? But, that can't be an excuse because this god knows everything; even the future, right? The ultimate responsibility is the manufacturer for the performance of its product. It wasn't the product that installed the defective part, it was the manufacturer.
If I knew that I would install a defective part, and what would happen eventually sometime later, and did nothing about it, does that mean I am devoid of guilt?

By saying 'well if creation is not perfect, it means God does not exist because God is perfect and He wouldn't create something that's flawed' is absolutely absurd.

I never said gods exist or not. I'm agnostic, not atheist. My point is that gods may have caused things to come to being like Earth, for instance, but if they did, they got bored with it and are now ignoring it. I also never said gods were perfect. I am saying that since people claim gods are perfect, then why have they messed up so bad?

 

[AnnaG]

Today it's considered politically incorrect to admit there is such a thing as sin. It's also becoming popular to discount the Bible as a worthless piece of fiction. These are uneducated views. The moral foundation of right and wrong in our society comes from the Bible. Biblical concepts have forged our future. For example, Martin Luther King, Jr. relied heavily on biblical argument in his battle for civil rights. Without the Bible, many reforms may have never taken place. When you dismiss the Bible as a mere work of fiction, you identify yourself as illiterate.

Nonsense. There's no evidence suggesting it isn't a work of fiction. It's called "faith" (rather than "fact")for a reason. Where did the Muslim countries get their moral foundation from? The Bible? How about Taoists, Buddhists, my ancestors who were around this continent long before anyone even thought of writing the Bible?:roll:

 

[AnnaG]

BTW, the definition of illiterate is:

• adj. unable to read or write: his parents were illiterate. ∎ ignorant in a particular subject or activity: the extent to which voters are politically illiterate. ∎ uncultured or poorly educated: the ignorant, illiterate town council. ∎ (esp. of a piece of writing) showing a lack of education, esp. an inability to read or write well. • n. a person who is unable to read or write. PHRASES: functionally illiterate lacking the literacy necessary for coping with most jobs and many everyday situations.DERIVATIVES: il·lit·er·a·cy / -əsē/ n. il·lit·er·ate·ly adv. il·lit·er·ate·ness n.

Oxford's dictionary
So, anyone that isn't completely versed in everything the Bible says and means is illiterate, but only concerning that particular volume.

 

[darkbeaver]

In fact the bible is a fact.

 

[AnnaG]

In fact the bible is a fact.

As much as any book is a fact. They have bindings, pages, etc. Yes, books are factual. :roll:

 

[Cliffy]

In fact the bible is a fact.

That the bible is a book is a fact. It is the contents that are in doubt.