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Iraq acquired chemical and biological weapon capability with US assistance. (Also many other nations assisted including Canada, but the US was the biggest source of aid). Iraq used their CWs during the Iran/Iraq war.

Did someone say misinformation?
 

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Did someone say misinformation?

Your post indicates that you are ignorant of your country's history with Iraq. It's pretty bad when a Canadian has to teach an American lessons about their country's history.

If you had quoted my entire post, you would have noticed I backed my statements up with references. Here is some information you missed:

Alot of misinformation has been posted above. Here are the facts:

Iraq acquired chemical and biological weapon capability with US assistance. (Also many other nations assisted including Canada, but the US was the biggest source of aid). Iraq used their CWs during the Iran/Iraq war.

During this war, the US gave Iraq access to satellite imagery which allowed Iraq to see Iran's military positions and use their CWs more effectively. The US also loaned Iraq military advisors who interpreted this data and provided battle planning assistance. These advisors even went onto the battlefields along side Iraqi officers even on the Iranian side of the border where they reported back to the US their observations regarding Iraq's CW attacks.

In 1988, Iraq began using chemical weapons against Kurdish rebels in Northern Iraq. When some rebels took refuge in Halabja, Iraq's military gased the entire village. When news of this war crime reached the outside world, it was almost universally condemned. The US was one of the few nations which did not condemn this attack. Many nations stopped selling Iraq arms. The US compensated by increasing their Iraq arms sales. Some members of Congress disagreed with this policy, but President Reagan threatened to veto any bill which would punish Iraq for using CWs against civilians or limit the US arm sales and WMD technology to Iraq. The Iran-Iraq war ended August 1988.

United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

U.S. Diplomatic and Commercial Relationships with Iraq 1980 - 1990 by Nathaniel Hurd

CBC News: the fifth estate - The Forgotten People - One Man's Battle

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Do you see the underlined blue sentences in my post above? They are called hyperlinks. Move your mouse over one and left click on it. These are links to another webpage with information I've summarized. Thats called backing up your claims with references.

Just because you are ignorant that your country sold chemical and biological weapon technology to Iraq and sent advisors to help them use it, doesn't mean that it didn't happen. It just means that you are ignorant of this information. I'm trying to help you overcome your ignorance. You should be grateful.
 

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wow You guys still squabbling back and forth over the middle east. Funny. :)
 

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More links for you EagleSmack

Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas

Anthrax for Export | The Progressive

U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup; Trade in Chemical Arms Allowed Despite Their Use on Iranians, Kurds

The above is all supported by documentation stored at the National Security Archive at George Washington University. If you like you can view these documents for yourself:

Title:
Iraqgate: Saddam Hussein, U.S. Policy and the Prelude to the Persian Gulf War, 1980-1994

Content: Reproduces on microfiche approximately 1,900 documents totaling 10,000 pages of documentation pertaining to U.S.-lraq policy (1980-1994) and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL) affair. Materials were identified, obtained, assembled and indexed by the National Security Archive.

Sample Document Titles

3/16/83 US Credit Possibilifies for lraq, Department of State, Bureau of Economic and Business Affairs, Secret Memorandum
4/11/83 PossibleAcquisition Opportunity, Department of the Army, Top Secret Memorandum
10/7/83 Iran-lraq War Analysis of Possible U S. Shift from Position of Strict Neutrality, Department of State, Bureau of Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs, Secret Memorandum
11/1/83 Iraq Use of Chemical Weapons, State Department, Bureau of Politico-Military Affairs, Secret Memorandum
5/3/84 Letter from Richard Nixon to Nicolae Ceausescu
5/9/84 U.S. Dual-Use Exports to Iraq Specific Actions, Department of State, Special Advisor to the Secretary on Non-Proliferation Policy and Nuclear Energy Affairs, Confidential Memorandum
9/25/85 Personal & Confidential, Memorandum from E. Robert Wallach to Edwin Meese, lll
1/13/86 Letter from John N. Mitchell to Sarkis Soghanalian
2/14/86 Intelligence Exchange with Iraq, National Security Council, Top Secret Electronic Message
7/26/86 USG Support for Iraq During the War, Department of State, Secret Memorandum
11/21/86 Iran Game Plan, National Security Council, Secret Electronic Message
4/25/88 Proposed Military Training for Iraqi Officers, Department of State, Bureau of Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs, Secret Memorandum
9/8189 BNL Chairman Nesi Resigns Under Pressure: Rumors Fly on BNL "Iraqgate, " United States Embassy-ltaly, Confidential Cable
9/15/89 [Excised]/ltalian Funding for Arms to Iraq, Defense Intelligence Agency, Secret Cable
10/21/89 Message from the Secretary to Tariq Aziz, Department of State, Secret Cable
11 /9189 Message from Secretary to Iraqi Fonmin on CCC, Department of State, Confidential Cable
4/2/90 Checklist for Your Meeting with Italian Ambassador Petrignani, April 2, 1990, 11 30 am, Department of State, Bureau of European Affairs, Confidential Memorandum
7/16/90 National Day Message from the President for President Saddam Hussein, Department of State, Limited Official Use Cable
3/4/91 Iraq Retrospective, Department of State, Bureau of Politico-Military Affairs, Memorandum
9/9/92 BNL Prosecution, National Security Agency, Top Secret Letter
10/21/94 BNL Task Force - Final Report, Department of Justice, Criminal Division Report
Iraqgate, 1980-1994


About the National Security Archive

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The Archive obtains its materials through a variety of methods, including the Freedom of Information act, Mandatory Declassification Review, presidential paper collections, congressional records, and court testimony. Archive staff members systematically track U.S. government agencies and federal records repositories for documents that either have never been released before, or that help to shed light on the decision-making process of the U.S. government and provide the historical context underlying those decisions.

The Archive regularly publishes portions of its collections on microfiche, the World Wide Web, CD-ROM, and in books. The Washington Journalism Review called these publications, collectively totaling more than 500,000 pages, "a state-of-the-art index to history." The Archive's World Wide Web site, The National Security Archive, has won numerous awards, including USA Today's "Hot Site" designation.

As a part of its mission to broaden access to the historical record, the Archive is also a leading advocate and user of the Freedom of Information Act. Precedent-setting Archive lawsuits have brought into the public domain new materials on the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Iran-Contra Affair, and other issues that have changed the way scholars interpret those events. The Archive spearheaded the groundbreaking legal effort to preserve millions of pages of White House e-mail records that were created during the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton administrations...

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Don't feel bad EagleSmack. Most Americans know little more than you do about this subject. You are welcome.
 

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wow You guys still squabbling back and forth over the middle east. Funny. :)

EagleSmack asked for a lesson in American history. I obliged. Don't you think Americans should know their own history better than a Canadian?
 

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EagleSmack asked for a lesson in American history. I obliged. Don't you think Americans should know their own history better than a Canadian?
EAO

Well we all know that Imanujob and his compadres always speak truthfully and only want peace - Yessirre - They all want peace - those dammed pesky Americans always wanting to fuxkup a really good plan by the peaceniks Mullahs - Enough to make a grown man cry it do - Ya know what I mean - If it wasn't for those dammed Jews controlling the US why peace would break out all over. Yup those Jews, everywhere they are, nothing but problems - I am sure you and JBeee would agree?
 

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Apparently there are different versions, though, so it's a matter of interpretation and it doesn't sound like either side wants the view from the other side. Kind of like continuing to hit a nail after it is already driven in.
 

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Apparently there are different versions, though, so it's a matter of interpretation and it doesn't sound like either side wants the view from the other side. Kind of like continuing to hit a nail after it is already driven in.
When the IAEA states that you are hiding things and uncooperative - when it comes to Nukes people get nervous - nervous enough to blow them to hell. Reflect back to how WW1 started - 1 assignation - then the ball was rolling.
Put that tighter with the Nut Jobs running the place well - Kinda makes me nervous to.
 

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Yeah. I've read it before, Goober. Many times. So far it looks like "Your pals are nutcases". The other guy says, "No, it's your pals that are the nutcases" and it seesaws back and forth forever.
 

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Yeah. I've read it before, Goober. Many times. So far it looks like "Your pals are nutcases". The other guy says, "No, it's your pals that are the nutcases" and it seesaws back and forth forever.
Well I guess that most of Europe and U, Canada and it seems the Russian are all nutcases. I am sure you can tell which is nuttier than the other - who would you trust with a gun to your head.
 

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The problem, Goober, is that nut jobs are running all the shows on this planet. Picking out one group of nut jobs to be eliminated is not going to change anything.
 

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The problem, Goober, is that nut jobs are running all the shows on this planet. Picking out one group of nut jobs to be eliminated is not going to change anything.
Perhaps if you deal with the really bad nutcases that might be a start -
 

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Well I guess that most of Europe and U, Canada and it seems the Russian are all nutcases. I am sure you can tell which is nuttier than the other - who would you trust with a gun to your head.
Me, hubby, kids, gf, other family and friends. :D Definitely no politicians or clergy.
 

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Me, hubby, kids, gf, other family and friends. :D Definitely no politicians or clergy.
Can you imagine what Arab countries reaction would be to a Gay pride parade -
PS - The Koran states that Jesus will lead them to victory against evil - Well Imagine that a Jew leading Muslims to victory - Crazy eh?
 

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Me, too. The midget ayatollahs should have been a hint. lol

It was so close to the truth I missed it. When their economy is based on the production of WMDs and they have created a nation of paranoiacs, everybody is a potential target.
Nothing has changed since the 50's: "Mine eyes have seen the coming of the reds, they are hiding in our closets, they are hiding neath our beds..." only now it's the Muslims. They can't seem to exist without their boogie men. Their collective consciousness wouldn't know what to do without its neurosis.
 
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It was so close to the truth I missed it. When their economy is based on the production of WMDs and they have created a nation of paranoiacs, everybody is a potential target.
Nothing has changed since the 50's: "Mine eyes have seen the coming of the reds, they are hiding in our closets, they are hiding neath our beds..." only now it's the Muslims. They can't seem to exist without their boogie men. Their collective consciousness wouldn't know what to do without its neurosis.

Cliffy, you should really try and deal with reality, if only occassionally.

US military spending in 2009 will be about $ 1 trillion dollars (!!!!!!).....that includes Defence Department budget and extra spending on the military that falls outside of that budget. That is about 8% of the US GDP. Especially considering the vast majority of that budget goes to salaries, base upkeep, and all the expenditures necessary to keep a modern army in the field, your contention that
" their economy is based on the production of WMDs" is ludicrous....at best.

Secondly, your idea that a paranoid USA sees Muslims under every bed is simply silly. The USA does not even count people by their religion........but it is estimated there are between 5 and 7 million Muslims living in the USA....in peace and harmony.

THINK before you post......
 

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Colpy,

"based on the production" of weapons has nothing to do with maintaining a military. Their economy is based on manufacturing weapons of mass destruction and their delivery systems, most of which is exported. The military/industrial complex has become what Eisenhower warned it would become.

As for Muslims living in peace and harmony in the US, what was all those protests in New York this week all about - racial profiling! We won't even go into all the hate mongering going on over Iran. Give your head a shake!
 

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Colpy,

"based on the production" of weapons has nothing to do with maintaining a military. Their economy is based on manufacturing weapons of mass destruction and their delivery systems, most of which is exported. The military/industrial complex has become what Eisenhower warned it would become.

As for Muslims living in peace and harmony in the US, what was all those protests in New York this week all about - racial profiling! We won't even go into all the hate mongering going on over Iran. Give your head a shake!

I am shaking my head.....in amusement....at you!

Self-delusion can be a very funny thing.........exactly what WMD are the US exporting in amounts so large that they are essential to the American economy????
In fact, I'd be interested to know what WMD the USA is exporting AT ALL?????

Funny.......one little protest in NYC hardly a pogrom makes......that is hilarious, especially when you consider Obama's father was a Muslim......didn't stop him from winning a landslide election. I see no hate-mongering over Iran....I see some concern over their nuclear program, but hate-mongering??? Not even close.

When I see a Senate Committee to Investigate Muslim Unamerican Activities....then I will grant you your point.

"Are you now, or have you ever been a Muslim?"

Hasn't happened, has it?

Your analogy is ludicrous, your accusations without foundation.
 

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Your post indicates that you are ignorant of your country's history with Iraq. It's pretty bad when a Canadian has to teach an American lessons about their country's history.

Your post indicates that you are just plain ignorant and uncapable of understanding the difference between chemical and biological agents. According to your link (Wiki no less) the US provided Iraq with biological materials. If you knew anything about the gassing of the Kurds and Iranians you would know that Iraq used Nerve agents which are chemical.

If you had a clue you would know there is a difference between biological and chemical weapons.

Therefore the information you provided was false.

Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you had quoted my entire post, you would have noticed I backed my statements up with references. Here is some information you missed:

I did not quote your entire post because I am well aware that the US provided intel and satellite imagary to the Iraqis to combat the Iranians.

You need to keep up.



Do you see the underlined blue sentences in my post above? They are called hyperlinks. Move your mouse over one and left click on it. These are links to another webpage with information I've summarized. Thats called backing up your claims with references.

Do you see those words that are on the hyperlinks? You must learn to not only read but understand what you are reading. This is so you don't make yourself look foolish...continuously. :smile:

Just because you are ignorant that your country sold chemical and biological weapon technology to Iraq and sent advisors to help them use it, doesn't mean that it didn't happen. It just means that you are ignorant of this information. I'm trying to help you overcome your ignorance. You should be grateful.

As you have already been schooled an educated by me I relished reading this! I do like the quip that we sent advisors to help the Iraqis gas the Kurds and Iranians. Tell me who is ignorant now?