Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes
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Cliff - Every place has crazies - But how many Christians were killed in Europe and South America for example when the Cartoons of Mohammed were published - yes I will add Indonesia - It is a Muslim country - India -Pakistan - Last year in Kashmir a Muslim person of importance was murdered - So the Muslims knowing they were not strong enough to take on the Hindu majority killed thousands of Christians - How many countries with democracies do you see rampage where people are murdered enmasse because of religion - Go to radical muslim countires where the people are told Jews and etc are the enemy and you will find more crazies than you can count in a lifetime.
Not here for sure,maybe read up on your history a tad about the crusades,then Sharia law.
I can give you links,I lost 2 foster kids in shock and awe so I know a bit about the area.
We dont fly jets into buildings here mon ami,just the not friendlies that you think are our peacefull friends do.
no offence Cliffy but do you have a hard on for the states like the rest of the foilers?
I really get allmost sick to my stomach when I see some of you peeps posts where you use the death of innocent folks to push your agenda.
Keep it up bud,Ill be around to correct you on your bull****.
Really, worse than being called a heathen. It could be that he truly hates ....... basically everybody.
From that simple question you deduce that I am a supporter of Iran having nukes. You are the nut job, flying off the handle and getting all emotionally upset over nothing. You do not know me but those that do know that I have and always will be opposed to war of any kind., for any reason. All you shoot first and ask questions later who get you "news" from the main stream media should be giving your head a shake.
If you had a memory longer than your nose you would know that the reason there is a radical cleric regime in Iran has everything to do with the Americans going in there and setting up and supporting the brutal regime of the Shaw. American and British oil barons have been itching to go back in there and take back the oil they controlled during the Shaw's dictatorship.
All this saber rattling, gnashing of teeth and the BS propaganda is about losing the "right" of the west to control Iranians and their oil. The middle east is a powder keg because of western interference with the internal affairs of Arabic countries over the past century. The state of Israel was formed because the west did not want the Jews coming here.
We rejected the ship load of Jews that Hitler sent here and forced them to return to Germany knowing that they faced certain death. Israel was forced upon the Arab world because the west knew it would create instability in the middle east and would keep the Jews out of our countries. If you knew anything about the US foreign policies that have created havoc all over the globe and have been responsible for untold millions of deaths and suffering, you would not be so cocky. As it is you just come off as some hot head punk. with that last outbust of ignorance.
Ah Goober, maybe you should skirt that comparison this year in that Israel upped their tally by more than 1,000 in just the 1 st month of the new year. Even targeting ones too young to be a threat because some day they might be a threat. The wars waged by Christian Nations numbers over 1 million in less than a decade, really a handful of years would make that number possible.
What a fat liar you are, read a bit and then look at some pictures of places of worship that are inside Iran.
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]''We are different from the Jews of the diaspora. You see the name 'Persia' in the Old Testament almost as often as the name 'Israel.' The Iranian Jews are very much part of Iran,'' said Gad Naim, 60, who runs the old-age home in Tehran. Iranian Jews trace their history to the reign of Persia's King Cyrus. As the Bible tells it, Cyrus conquered Babylonia in 539 B.C., liberated the Jews from captivity, and raised funds for the rebuilding of their destroyed temple in Jerusalem. The return of the Jews to Jerusalem at that time was accompanied by a large migration to the lands that were then Persia, and now Iran.
IRAN: Life of Jews Living in Iran
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Well, you are right about one thing....the Shah's regime was brutal, and it was supported by the USA.....but, if you look at the geography, you'll see the reason had to do with just a little more than controling their oil........
As for being against war, well, isn't everyone? But for ANY reason????? There are worse things than war, not many, but some things are worth fighting for......for instance, would you have let Hitler take and hold all Europe? Or all the world? Or Stalin, for that matter.....Would you have left all society at the mercy of hereditary absolute monarchs?
It is all very nice to be an absolute pacifist.......for reasons of conscience.....but please don't expect to be taken seriously in the vicious world of power politics......
Well, we did reject Jews, before and after the war...but the West did not chose the Middle East as the congregation point for the remaining Jews of the world....the Jews did....long before 1945. Remember Israel????? I mean, the old one.........well, so did they......
The US killed untold MILLIONS?????
Where?:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:
The US rebuilt Europe practically single-handedly after WWII, and they held off the USSR, also practically single-handedly.....
Did they make HUGE mistakes??? yes. But the biggest mistake would have been not fighting Communism at all..........it is, after all, the ideology that is responsible for 100 million deaths in the twentieth century. The Yanks couldn't approach THAT figure.....
As you should.
Don't forget that all of us are also carnal above anything else, and somethimes it actually fits depending on the events going on in my carnal world. The added benefit of telling others that you are a carnal Heathen is that they pretty much turn an walk in a direction that takes them further away.
They are apparently quite sensitive creatures also, being as there is actually a list (that can be added to but never reduced) in the things we should watch out, last they take offense, it is almost a book in length, yet the NT sends most of them of into gibberish chants. If you want to get results in dealing with them talk directly to the eldest female. If a request is going to be granted she will be the one who opens the door. The rests depends entirely on you and your search for knowledge about their view on "Scripture". No use approaching any other subject no matter how important you think you are. Bringing up Jesus can be a touchy thing. One even accepted that half of the two bruises might actually be half over.
Like most societies they have too many secrets for them to be able to relax.
If this was a lovers movie Iran and the bomb should get together just because they have already they are 'assumed to be an item already'. lol That throws the (other half of the marriages) into a tailspin, even though it later comes out that that sort of activity was just the tip of the iceberg. Do you see how intriguing things can be in almost no time. Having to wait for 'official documents' does take time.t6555
I'll take that offer and open with this portion of a larger document.
6.Chronological list of US murder toll: [under construction]
The murder toll has been achieved by either direct violence (e.g. the firebombing and nuking of Japan or the firebombing of Dresden) or indirect/proxy “low intensity conflict” (e.g. Rwanda in the 90s or Nicaragua in the 80s). (I have not here accounted for the deaths attributable to SAP.) Some extremely conservative estimates—
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/usinterventionism.html?q=usinterventionism.html
Native Americans (1776-2002): 4M
West Africans (1776-1865): 4M
Philippines (1898-1904): 600K
Germany (1945): 200K
Japan (1945): 900K
China (1945-60): 200K
Greece (1947-49): 100K
Korea (1951-53): 2M
Guatemala (1954-2002): 300K
Vietnam (1960-75): 2M
Laos (1965-73): 500K
Cambodia (1969-75): 1M
Indonesia (1965): 500K
Colombia (1966-2002): 500K
Oman (1970): 10K
Bangladesh (1971): 2M
Uganda (1971-1979): 200K
Chile (1973-1990): 20K
East Timor (1975): 200K
Angola (1975-2002): 1.5M
Argentina (1976-1979): 30K
Afghanistan (1978-2002): 1M
El Salvador (1980-95): 100K
Nicaragua (1980-90): 100K
Mozambique (1981-1988): 1M
Turkey (1984-2002): 50K
Rwanda (1990-1996): 1M
Iraq (1991-2002): 1M
Somalia (1991-1994): 300K
Yugoslavia (1991-2002): 300K
Liberia (1992-2002): 150K
Burundi (1993-1999): 200K
Sudan (1998): 100K
Congo (1998-2002): 3M
We should also take note that the United States bears more than superficial responsibility for the Nazi Holocaust: e.g., the turning away of Jewish, Romani, and other refugees; funding the concentration camp system; underwriting the Third Reich’s military; delay in opening a western front; policies of appeasement before the war; siding with the fascists during the Spanish Civil War; turning down Stalin’s offer to attack Germany jointly in 1938; providing theoretical inspiration for lebensraum, final solutions, anti-communism, anti-Semitism, etc; rebuilding Germany after the war with the fascist infrastructure still intact; saving war criminals; general ideological support; and so forth.
MY GOD!!!!
Is it a full moon??? We got Cliffy proud to be a Pagan, EAO on another thread pasting articles about PETA (in defence of Palestinians), and now this one is blaming the USA for....
the holocaust
deaths in WWII
deaths in a number of places the USA was not even involved in....
Good Lord!
And that final rant! Most of which has NO connection with reality..............
GET A GRIP, FOLKS!!! :roll::roll::roll:
Colpy,
I don't suppose you acknowledge that the CIA had a hand in assassinating elected officials in any number of South & Central American and South East Asian countries and replacing them with brutal dictatorships, training death squads on US soil or any number of atrocities world wide. I heard the number of Philippinos during the early part of the 20th century killed were upwards of 3 million. You really do have a selective memory.
Hitler never would have taken over all of Europe. He spread himself too thin when he invaded Russia and would have been defeated even if the Yanks had not stepped in. And yes, the US supported both sides in WWII and should take the blame for many of the deaths.
I don't suppose you acknowledge that the CIA had a hand in assassinating elected officials in any number of South & Central American and South East Asian countries and replacing them with brutal dictatorships, training death squads on US soil or any number of atrocities world wide. I heard the number of Philippinos during the early part of the 20th century killed were upwards of 3 million. You really do have a selective memory.
Hitler never would have taken over all of Europe. He spread himself too thin when he invaded Russia and would have been defeated even if the Yanks had not stepped in. And yes, the US supported both sides in WWII and should take the blame for many of the deaths.
Perhaps the reason you have so little cred here is that you repeatedly contradict yourself.
FYI the reason people think you are a supporter of Iran having nukes probably stems from the second post in this thread where you said
And what has that got to do with Iran other than it is one of hundreds of other countries in the world. I did say I don't support anybody having them. If the Yanks insist on having nukes, why should nobody else have them. The US is a big enough bully as it is. Someone needs to counterbalance those war mongers. The contradiction is all in your head.
IMO, we should keep the pressure on Iran, and after they don't listen, we should leave it to Iran's sworn enemy to deal with them.
Let Israel launch a preemptive strike on the military.
Let Israel launch a preemptive strike on the military.
I can smell your sarcasm, but Israel is got to be ****tin bricks right now. You got your sworn enemy getting close to nukes, calling for your death...
Now, if they do launch a preemptive strike, I'm sure it would lead to WWIII, but hey, I got no worries!
First of I don't believe the propaganda about Iran just because I am suspicious of the media and any "intelligence" coming out of the US of Aggression.
Secondly, the rapture isn't going to happen. Every time there appears to be a crisis looming (for the past two thousand years) a bunch of people think they are going to suddenly disappear to heaven while the rest of the non believers suffer it out. It hasn't happened yet and it ain't gonna happen now because it is a fiction just like Armageddon.
I know Christians are chomping at the bit for Armageddon and are praying for it to come soon so they can thumb their noses at us heathen as we stand there watching in amazement as you guys disappear right from in front of our faces, but, too bad, so sad, you won't ever see that day.
The CIA had a hand in the assasination of President Thieu in South Vietnam in the mid 60s....in that they let it happen......the same as with Allende of Chile....which was much worse. If you know of any others, I'd be interested.
And yes, the School of the Americas turned out some nasties.....and yes, US defence and aid to dictators in a number of countries was beyond the Pale.....but all that is over now........thank God.
The idea that the USA played both sides in WWII is ludicrous......I've heard it repeated over and over, but only by people without any history education, and without any evidence.
You should bone up on your history a bit,start with Salladin and the crusades my friend.
Dont let your hatred for the USA bias you either.;-)