Wisdom of Solomon ignored by Christians Today?

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Krishna and his "Star (Yantra) of Krishna er umm cough David".
 

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Um, Hindus also used Swastikas, does that mean they are related to Nazis or vice versa? lol

Need a course or two in symbology? If not I can recommend a couple books. :)
 

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Um, Hindus also used Swastikas, does that mean they are related to Nazis or vice versa? lol

Need a course or two in symbology? If not I can recommend a couple books. :)
Not Hindus, Arayans. Read your books again.
A reversed swastika but if you deny that sygil doesn't still "cast it's spell" stirring up "as above, so below" emotions of fear for some and hatred and power for other's in our highly literate world then one cannot deny the effects of a sygil upon the illiterate world of the recent and distant past.

They work and they work well. Sol Om On knew this.
 
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North American Indians used swastikas, and some old Newfoundland stamps had swastikas on them.

The original logo for the Potash Company of America had an Indian head on it, with a swastika above his ear, about 1980 or so.
 

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Ten P This is what I'm getting at. All the sygils (symbols) predate Judaism, Christianity, etc etc BUT the meanings and emotions they invoke remain the same. All alleged "kings" started as initiates of the mystery schools into the gnosis of khemet and still do today.

That is what makes Sol Om On stand out is his exceptional knowledge of the duality of the universe. He worked both ends of the stick invoking both the demons from below and calling forth the those of above to bring balance to the human psyche.
 
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The pagans of antiquity were convinced that humans could undergo apotheosis, that they could become gods and goddesses. The Mass is closely connected with this process, since in its mysteries earthly substances are transmuted into divine ones, and, more important, humans may be similarly transformed in their psychospiritual natures.
 

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The pagans of antiquity were convinced that humans could undergo apotheosis, that they could become gods and goddesses. The Mass is closely connected with this process, since in its mysteries earthly substances are transmuted into divine ones, and, more important, humans may be similarly transformed in their psychospiritual natures.
And this leads to sacred geometry and geomancy. Churches and temples themselves are also a a large part of the rites and manifesting energies from above and below with all cathedrals having the tall spires for the above and very few are aware but all cathedrals and churches are built above wells to tap into the below.
 

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North American Indians used swastikas, and some old Newfoundland stamps had swastikas on them.

The original logo for the Potash Company of America had an Indian head on it, with a swastika above his ear, about 1980 or so.

TenPenny, in Ontario we have a village called Swastika. I can imagine how it got that name. Many British army officers were posted in India, then they were posted in Canada. When they came here, they gave Indian names to places here. We also have towns such as Delhi, Lucknow (both large cities in India).

Anyway, when Hitler came to power, there was a demand that the village change the name. The villagers dug in, they adamantly refused. Their argument was that they had that name for a long time, there is no way they are going to let some upstart make them change it.

Good for them. Anyway, they stuck with the name, and it is still called Swastika, Ontario.

Incidentally, Swastika is a Sanskrit word.
 

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The middle east was all there was to the world back when this flood supposedly happened so all the biblical account tells us that there might have been a flood in that area. Taking the bible literally is ludicrous.

Cliffy, there is a story in Hindu mythology also of a great flood, which destroyed the civilization, and then one man (Manu) resurrected it again. India is far removed from Middle East.

Of course, one possibility is that the story of Noah (Which sounds suspiciously like the story of (Manu) was taken from Hindu mythology. If that is the case, then the flood referred to in Noah’s story may not have occurred in Middle East at all.

Several other cultures also have similar stories of a great, big flood.
 

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Anyone have any idea what this has to do with Solomon and Christians of today? Surely you can judge if they are influenced and practicing the wisdom offered in the book. Do Christians show it in the writings, the views, and practices of today? If not why not and where not? Lets get back on subject please.
 

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Matthew Henry's Whole Bible Commentary
on Proverbs 23
Proverbs 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go


Be not ruled by senses, but by reason and religion. Covet not that which pleases the eye, in hopes that it will please the taste; but let thy serious thoughts correct the errors of thy senses and convince thee that that which seems delightful is really hurtful, and resolve against it accordingly. Let not the heart walk after the eye, for it is a deceitful guide." 2. "Be not too bold with the charms of this or any other sin; look not, lest thou lust, lest thou take the forbidden fruit." Note Those that would be kept from any sin must keep themselves from all the occasions and beginnings of it, and be afraid of coming within the reach of its allurements, lest they be overcome by them.

The above link is expounds much more of course, pertaining to alcohol use specifically but all sin generally. The consequences of prurient behavior is discussed and that resulting destructiveness should be avoided at all costs. Here is another passage:

It makes men impure and insolent, v. 33. (1.) The eyes grow unruly and behold strange women to lust after them, and so let in adultery into the heart. Est Venus in vinis-Wine is oil to the fire of lust. Thy eyes shall behold strange things (so some read it); when men are drunk the house turns round with them, and every thing looks strange to them, so that them they cannot trust their own eyes. (2.) The tongue also grows unruly and talks extravagantly; by it the heart utters perverse things, things contrary to reason, religion, and common civility, which they would be ashamed to speak if they were sober. What ridiculous incoherent nonsense men will talk when they are drunk who at another time will speak admirably well and to the purpose!

Is our impulse to sin still ever so destructive for us, while we know and love God? Have you experience coping with such struggles of the carnal mind versus the Holy Spirit which indwells all of us, while we know the Lord?

Isn't sin black and white, while even todays religions paint things gray? Oh good grief - why are Christians so fixated on sin? And this statement coming from a brought up Christian!
Look, if you know it's bad for you - you feel it, and if you feel it's bad, don't do it! The deity made you with good instincts and if it doesn't really feel right don't do it. No need to over analize - just go with your gut. For the record, NOTHING is really black or white
 

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Not Hindus, Arayans. Read your books again.
You mean Aryans? Irrelevant as to who used it. They weren't related to Nazism.

Hindu Culture - Omkar and Swastika

Swastika - Hindu Symbols - ReligionFacts

Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A reversed swastika but if you deny that sygil doesn't still "cast it's spell" stirring up "as above, so below" emotions of fear for some and hatred and power for other's in our highly literate world then one cannot deny the effects of a sygil upon the illiterate world of the recent and distant past.

They work and they work well. Sol Om On knew this.
Do you mean sigil? I don't deny it, but it's illogical to associate one nasty bunch of people with another peoples of a completely different geography, culture, etc. People tend to be illogical.
 

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Who brought up nazis? Who cares about nazis? It's not a nazi sygil (yankee SPELLings suck). Did nazis revere the supposed nazi sygil before there were nazis? No. They revered the "vril" or energy behind the sygil and the power it invokes when displayed.
 

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Did you answer my question about Solomon and his views on sexual deviation while practicing such an abnormal lifestyle himself? Perhaps I missed it.
Abnormal is whose eyes, yours are the 21st century in general. We have some abnormal practices that go unchallenged, especially in the West.
What is the difference in today's world when some married men also have a mistress, or several different ones over the span of some number of years?
 

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You mean Aryans? Irrelevant as to who used it. They weren't related to Nazism.

Hindu Culture - Omkar and Swastika

Swastika - Hindu Symbols - ReligionFacts

Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Do you mean sigil? I don't deny it, but it's illogical to associate one nasty bunch of people with another peoples of a completely different geography, culture, etc. People tend to be illogical.
Anna, when we visited India two years ago, we saw Swastikas everywhere. On the temples, in advertisement, in feature articles etc. It is not at all unusual for women in the villages to draw the figure of Swastika in the front yard. I don’t think Hindus use the swastika here in North America as much, I assume out of respect for the culture here.

Swastika is a holy Hindu symbol (incidentally, Aryans were Hindus) and has been so for thousands of years. How Hitler thought of corrupting the symbol, I have no idea.
 

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Matthew Henry's Whole Bible Commentary
on Proverbs 23
Proverbs 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go


Be not ruled by senses, but by reason and religion. Covet not that which pleases the eye, in hopes that it will please the taste; but let thy serious thoughts correct the errors of thy senses and convince thee that that which seems delightful is really hurtful, and resolve against it accordingly. Let not the heart walk after the eye, for it is a deceitful guide." 2. "Be not too bold with the charms of this or any other sin; look not, lest thou lust, lest thou take the forbidden fruit." Note Those that would be kept from any sin must keep themselves from all the occasions and beginnings of it, and be afraid of coming within the reach of its allurements, lest they be overcome by them.

The above link is expounds much more of course, pertaining to alcohol use specifically but all sin generally. The consequences of prurient behavior is discussed and that resulting destructiveness should be avoided at all costs. Here is another passage:

It makes men impure and insolent, v. 33. (1.) The eyes grow unruly and behold strange women to lust after them, and so let in adultery into the heart. Est Venus in vinis-Wine is oil to the fire of lust. Thy eyes shall behold strange things (so some read it); when men are drunk the house turns round with them, and every thing looks strange to them, so that them they cannot trust their own eyes. (2.) The tongue also grows unruly and talks extravagantly; by it the heart utters perverse things, things contrary to reason, religion, and common civility, which they would be ashamed to speak if they were sober. What ridiculous incoherent nonsense men will talk when they are drunk who at another time will speak admirably well and to the purpose!

Is our impulse to sin still ever so destructive for us, while we know and love God? Have you experience coping with such struggles of the carnal mind versus the Holy Spirit which indwells all of us, while we know the Lord?

Isn't sin black and white, while even todays religions paint things gray? :fish:
It has been thought that the proverbs of Solomon are not necessarily an ascription to authorship, but more than likely a labeling of the material. Just sayin.