Legalize Marijuana!

Cliffy

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JLM,

Chances are she would have displayed those symptoms sooner or later. I have a friend who is schizophrenic and a genius. Hates taking his meds, so spends half his life on the streets. You don't have to do drugs to lose it. Personally, I cannot see how anybody living in this insane society cannot be insane to some degree. For some drugs calm them down, for others it aggravates the situation. Everybody is different.
 

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To both of you,

In my opinion your remarks are valid.

Legalization of this illegal `item` would alleviate so many current maladies.

It should, if legalized be gov't monitored to ensure its purity.

I do not see a problem here.

Just an observation.

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einmensch

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I haven't read all the posts but on NOV.6,2008

Our neighbor to the south, Massachusetts, voted to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana, a decision that was met with 65 percent support by voters. This decision makes Massachusetts the 13th state, including Maine, which has realized that marijuana laws are in desperate need of reform. These laws do not "legalize drugs" as some have claimed, but instead make the punishment more fitting to the "crime."

Various medical studies have shown that the effects of marijuana are less harmful than alcohol, yet our state still prosecutes as though it is the opposite.
 

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its legal as long as it's for "medical uses" right? depends on the state though i guess. like that simpsons episode when homer was given medical marijuana for his eyes, lol 1 of my favorite episodes
 

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Marijuana is treated like a dangerous narcotic because the Federal government does not it to be used as medicine. The "legal" drug lobby is too strong in Washington, DC for any changes to be made along that score.
 

CanadianLove

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Time For Marijuana Legalization?

Andrew Cohen: Economic Crisis Spurring Politicians To Talk About Legalizing Pot

Feb. 25, 2009 | by Andrew Cohen




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(CBS) Attorney Andrew Cohen analyzes legal issues for CBS News and CBSNews.com.
Apparently, it was nothing personal after all. Apparently, it was strictly business all along.

After generations of defending capital punishment and marijuana possession laws on moral, ethical and religious grounds, after years of declaring that the death penalty acted as a deterrent against violent crime and that pot smokers were more dangerous to society than, say, alcohol consumers, all of a sudden thanks to our economic crisis more and more mainstream powerbrokers are considering dramatic changes to our criminal justice system.

The New York Times today has a late-arriving piece by Ian Urbina which posits that lawmakers in several states are considering abandoning the death penalty because it’s just too expensive and cuts into other law enforcement priorities. State officials are beginning to acknowledge that they can more productively spend their budget funds on cracking unsolved cases or ensuring better police protection than on keeping pot smokers in prison or fighting for decades with capital defendants. This, Urbina writes, is forcing a sea-change around the nation:

“Last year, in an effort to cut costs, probation and parole agencies in Arizona, Kentucky, Mississippi, New Jersey and Vermont reduced or dropped prison time for thousands of offenders who violated conditions of their release. In some states, probation and parole violators account for up to two-thirds of prison admissions each year; typical violations are failing drug tests or missing meetings with parole officers.

As prison crowding has become acute, lawsuits have followed in states like California, and politicians find themselves having to choose among politically unattractive options: spend scarce tax dollars on expanding prisons, loosen laws to stem the flow of incarcerations, or release some nonviolent offenders.”
This trend toward releasing non-violent offenders naturally begs the question: what about legalizing marijuana possession and lowering the drinking age? A California lawmaker Monday introduced legislation that would legalize (and tax) pot there. In Colorado, as seen this past Sunday on 60 Minutes, the police chief in Boulder (which houses a raucous University of Colorado) made a compelling case for saving money by reducing the drinking age from 21. Better to have police officers tracking violent crime, the argument goes, than writing tickets for college kids who are going to drink no matter what.

These declarations, from the political and legal arena, are not just isolated voices shouting into the wilderness. Consider the late, great Milton Friedman, the Nobel Laureate, former Reagan advisor, and esteemed scholar associated with the very conservative Hoover Institution. He was among hundreds of important economists who argue that pot should be legalized and taxed - and that the income from such taxation could generate billions in new revenues and billions more in enforcement savings. If you live in California, what would you rather have? Pot smokers whose cases are tying up the legal system? Or better health care and roads thanks to a marijuana tax. I’m just asking the question-and others are too.

Friedman and his colleagues first made these arguments years ago - before the economy tanked. Is it time to take his view more seriously with states facing huge budget shortfalls that threaten to curtail vital projects and policies? It is such a great leap from releasing prisoners from prison early to save money and not sending them there at all to save more? I would suspect a survey of police officials and prosecutors, and a survey of state budget officials, would indicate that the matter is being taken more seriously today than it ever has been.

It’s not my place to advocate anything - so please don’t write and accuse me of being Cheech or Chong. All I am saying is that the economic case for legalizing marijuana, and for lower the drinking rate, is as compelling as it has ever been and that, in a time of great changes in the interaction between government and the governed, it would not be the worst thing in the world to have a serious national debate on the topic. If we are going to lower state and federal budgets for criminal justice, if we are going to be emptying our prisons anyway to save costs, let’s make sure we do it in a way that maximizes the opportunities available to us.
 

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After generations of defending capital punishment and marijuana possession laws on moral, ethical and religious grounds, after years of declaring that the death penalty acted as a deterrent against violent crime and that pot smokers were more dangerous to society than, say, alcohol consumers, all of a sudden thanks to our economic crisis more and more mainstream powerbrokers are considering dramatic changes to our criminal justice system.

Another reason I hope the economy doesn't recover - stupid laws and judicial system that wastes more money than Social Services and EI put together.
 

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At the very least they should lift the ban on hemp for large scale production of paper, clothing, grain feed, animal bedding, etc etc.... The benefits of hemp include its durable fibre and its short turnover to name a couple. It takes less time to grow and the plant is 70% cellulose as compared to wood which is only 30% cellulose. It takes 70 years to grow trees to the point where they should be harvested but you can turn over a crop of hemp in 6 months or less. If you're growing trees and hemp in the same lot size you can squeeze soo many more hemp plants than trees in there.

I really don't care if they legalize pot. I wouldn't buy it from a government source as it would most likely be poor quality (meaning low potency) and the cost would be preposterous, look at cigarettes. You'll get half the pot at twice the price. Also, I get it from a small scale op thats been running for almost 20 years and will never get busted. It is top notch and always available at a great price. If it did happen to get busted I'd grow it myself.

I've walked down the main streets of most of the major cities in Canada smoking pot and got no more than three or four looks. These weren't midnight walks either, broad daylight in the afternoon on many occasions. Cops drove by but luckily i've never encountered one on the sidewalk, that would definitely not go over well I'm sure. But Canadians don't care about pot from my experience. Those who claim the negative affects are not worth it can consider the fact that eating meat can be bad for you as well.

There use to be a funny analogy when i was younger and i always liked the story. here we go: When wolves hunted the bison they would chase the herd until the weaker bison started to fall behind, these would be the ones the wolves caught and killed. Lets apply this to pots affect on the brain. THe brain cells destroyed by pot are the old weak ones which will die soon anyway. In essence smoking pot helps the brain grow. Not sure if there is much merit to the analogy but the guy who told me this is a huge science buff, boaderline human calculater IMO.
 

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Is Pot Good For You?

By John Cloud/San Francisco
I never smoked pot in junior high because I was convinced it would shrivel my incipient manhood. (now I understand why most of you support its use, damn other way around :) ) This was the 1980s, and those stark this-is-your-brain-on-drugs ads already had me vaguely worried about memory loss and psychosis. But when other boys said pot might affect our southern regions, I was truly terrified. I didn't smoke a joint for the first time until I was 21.
Is Pot Good For You? - TIME
 

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Bottom line bias goes with the territory; of course many doctors will not acknowledge the benefits of Marijuana, they are paid good to push other drugs already approved by the FDA.

The real and honest rational is that millions upon millions of people are smoking on a per day bases, and the truth is we don’t see these millions of people around the globe harming other people as a result of their cognitive realm of logic BECAUSE THEY SMOKE POT AS IT IS BEING ALLEGED BY THE HYPOCRITICAL BUNCH AND BROWN NOSES,

As well these smokers are not walking the streets dragging them self’s like many many drunks do. Many of these people hold high position jobs who find post as a relaxant, they have families they pay attention to responsibility.
60% are pot-phobic in the US as well they have stupid hypocritical laws, they talk that they are a democratic loving society and yet they are around the world known as the country who manufacture guns that really kill people.


POT HAS NOT KILLED ANYONE I KNOW WHO SMOKES DAILY, AND THE PROPAGANDA IS A STUPID REPUBLICAN BIBLE THUMPING HYPOCRISY.

(I CAN BUILD WEAPONS THAT KILL PEOPLE, I HATE POT SMOKERS AND I AM A GOOD BIBLE THUMPING SELF-RIGHTEOUS REPUBLICAN)

 

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Bottom line bias goes with the territory; of course many doctors will not acknowledge the benefits of Marijuana, they are paid good to push other drugs already approved by the FDA.

The real and honest rational is that millions upon millions of people are smoking on a per day bases, and the truth is we don’t see these millions of people around the globe harming other people as a result of their cognitive realm of logic BECAUSE THEY SMOKE POT AS IT IS BEING ALLEGED BY THE HYPOCRITICAL BUNCH AND BROWN NOSES,

As well these smokers are not walking the streets dragging them self’s like many many drunks do. Many of these people hold high position jobs who find post as a relaxant, they have families they pay attention to responsibility.
60% are pot-phobic in the US as well they have stupid hypocritical laws, they talk that they are a democratic loving society and yet they are around the world known as the country who manufacture guns that really kill people.


POT HAS NOT KILLED ANYONE I KNOW WHO SMOKES DAILY, AND THE PROPAGANDA IS A STUPID REPUBLICAN BIBLE THUMPING HYPOCRISY.

(I CAN BUILD WEAPONS THAT KILL PEOPLE, I HATE POT SMOKERS AND I AM A GOOD BIBLE THUMPING SELF-RIGHTEOUS REPUBLICAN)
Doctors will not acknowledge the benefits of marijuana because there aren't any. Only potheads think there is...
 

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Doctors will not acknowledge the benefits of marijuana because there aren't any. Only potheads think there is...


Hey good day Risus, do you drink? Tell the truth.......if you do you must look at your clock allot anxiously waiting the happy hour.

If you don't drink which happens to be your indisputable right, not to like either is your rite and yours only.

But you see…………… if you drink I am not calling you names until you drink and cause harm to others.
Now if you are a fair man, here is your chance to show it, by understanding that you are entitled to your choice, to smoke, to drink, to cross dress, anything you want, I don’t have the right to knock you, the question is who gives you the right to call others pot heads?, the cops? The doctors? You? If you don’t indulge in any way that is your right as I said.
So............for you to sit here and make bias comments, THAT IS WHAT QUALIFIES HYPOCRISY.
 
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Risus

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Hey good day Risus, do you drink? Tell the truth.......if you do you must look at your clock allot anxiously waiting the happy hour.

If you don't drink which happens to be your indisputable right, not to like either is your rite and yours only.

But you see…………… if you drink I am not calling you names until you drink and cause harm to others.
Now if you are a fair man, here is your chance to show it, by understanding that you are entitled to your choice, to smoke, to drink, to cross dress, anything you want, I don’t have the right to knock you, the question is who gives you the right to call others pot heads?, the cops? The doctors? You? If you don’t indulge in any way that is your right as I said.
So............for you to sit here and make bias comments, THAT IS WHAT QUALIFIES HYPOCRISY.

Soc, get your head out of your butt.

Not that it has anything to do with the discussion here, yes I drink beer and no I don't watch the clock for happy hour.

Pot smokers are potheads, whats your beef, you don't like the title????
 

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Soc, get your head out of your butt.

Not that it has anything to do with the discussion here, yes I drink beer and no I don't watch the clock for happy hour.

Pot smokers are potheads, whats your beef, you don't like the title????


A person who drinks alcoholic beverages on a frequent daily basses is nick named a lush.

Interesting because when you watch a movie chances are the actors before the shooting they may have indulged in something while they performed and amused your eyes with out you knowing if these actors have had any thing to enhance their performance.

So that is my beef you enjoyed the movie while you watched pot heads perform with out any bias in knowing if they were pot heads or not.
I wander after you find out their habit if you would be promoting the movie you watched and enjoyed?
 

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Risus- Please try a little open mindedness, I believe the one key word to a successful life is MODERATION- I'm not interested in pot I don't use the stuff, I don't personally see any advantage (to me) in it, but would I alienate a perfectly good person is he smoked a joint or two once in a blue moon? Not until his use of it adversely affects me or my family. Sometimes in life it's better to shut one eye. (And I'm not talking about dangerous or detrimental situations, just stuff that comes under the heading of MYOB)
 

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Doctors will not acknowledge the benefits of marijuana because there aren't any. Only potheads think there is...

I guess that is why doctors prescribe it for people with Glaucoma, cancer and those under radiation and chemo therapy. Pot has been used as a medicine for thousands of years by just about every culture on the planet and was used in patented medicines until the US made it illegal for purely political reasons.

Quote : Soc, get your head out of your butt.

Perhaps you are the one with his head up his butt.
 

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Sir Francis, we have an old "friend" in the Elections thread. Have a peek.
 

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Soc, get your head out of your butt.

Not that it has anything to do with the discussion here, yes I drink beer and no I don't watch the clock for happy hour.

Pot smokers are potheads, whats your beef, you don't like the title????

Hello risus, misknown fact that not all pot users smoke it. Some ingest it.. So calling all pot users pothead is inaccurate..

The fact I am highly allergic to pot makes me a non-user as well as the fact I do not drink. That does not means I cannot agree with making it legal for tax purposes.. What ever will take this off the streets and into a controlled environment would take some of it out of the black market. To me legalizing it would make it safer, put the tax money to good use and control the amount of drug out there as far as age it is sold to.

Will it solve the kids that have it, never as kids will always get their hands on it..
 

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Doctors will not acknowledge the benefits of marijuana because there aren't any. Only potheads think there is...

Of course there are. They are long and have been listed for years. What's more, making a blanket statement like yours only shows your ignorance. (probably due to the damaging effects of alcohol on your brain after all these years) You can vapo some Pot, it might help with that.

I expect that you're skeptical though so here is the list of citations supporting the benefits of medical marijuana. Feel free to look them over and should you feel the need to discredit these doctors and their findings, please do post it here so I can enjoy what you have to say.

11. Abrams, Donald I., et al [2003]. Short-Term Effects of Cannabinoids in Patients with HIV-1 Infection: A Randomized, Placebo-Controlled Clinical Trial. Ann Intern Med. 2003 Aug 19;139(4):258-66.5. Dixon WE. The pharmacology of Cannabis indica. BMJ 1899; ii: 1354-1357.


12. O'Shaughnessy WB. On the preparations of the Indian hemp, or gunjah (Cannabis indica); their effects on the animal system in health, and their utility in the treatment of tetanus and other convulsive diseases. Transactions of the Medical and Physical Society of Bengal 1838-18; 40: 71-102, 421-61.

13. Reynolds JR. Therapeutical uses and toxic effects of Cannabis indica. Lancet 1890; i: 637-638.

14. R. Noyes et al., "The analgesic properties of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol and codeine," Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 18 (1975): 84-89.

15. R. Noyes, D. Baram. "Cannabis analgesia" Compr. Psychiatry 15 (1974): 531.

16. D. Petro. "Marihuana as a therapeutic agent for muscle spasm and spasticity." Psychosomatics 21 (1980): 81-85.

17. R. El-Mallakh. "Marijuana and migraine." Headache 27 (1987): 442-443.

18. A. Holdcroft et al. "Pain relief with oral cannabinoids in familial Mediterranean fever." Anaesthesia 5 (1997): 483-486.

19. W. Hall, et al., The Health and Psychological Consequences of Cannabis Use, Canberra, Australian Government Publishing Service (1994): 194. The health and psychological consequences of cannabis use

20. L. Growing et al., "Therapeutic use of cannabis: clarifying the debate," Drug and Alcohol Review 17 (1998): 445-452.

21. Society for Neuroscience Press Conference, October 26, 1997. http://www.calyx.com/~olsen/MEDICAL/POT/analgesia.html; "Marijuana-Like Drugs May Be Effective Painkillers." Los Angeles Times. 26, Oct., 1997.

22. J. Joy et al., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base", Washington D.C.: National Academy Press (1999), Chapter 4, Section 4.4 http://bob.nap.edu/books/0309071550/html/

23. ibid

24. House of Lords Select Committee on Science and Technology, "Ninth Report," London: United Kingdom (1998): Section 5.26 http://www.publications.parliament. uk/

25. Karst, M et al, " Analgesic Effect of the Synthetic Cannabinoid CT-3 on Chronic Neuropathic Pain A Randomized Controlled Trial," JAMA. 2003;290:1757-1762.

26. Richardson, Jennelle Durnet; Kilo, Sonja; Hargreaves, Kenneth M. "Cannabinoids Reduce Hyperalgesia and Inflammation via Interaction with Peripheral CB1 Receptors." Pain. 1998. 75(1): 111-119.

27. I. Meng et al. "An analgesic circuit activated by cannabinoids." Nature 395 (1998): 381-383. Page not found : Nature Publishing Group DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v395/n670.../395381a0_r.htm

28. Klarreich, Erica. "Cannabis spray blunts pain: Early trials suggest cannabis spritz may give relief to chronic pain sufferers." British Association for the Advancement of Science. 4 Sept., 2001.

29. R. Callahan, "How Does Marijuana Kill Pain?" Associated Press, October 4, 1998. US: Wire: How Does Marijuana Kill Pain?

30. Welch SP, Eads M. , "Synergistic interactions of endogenous opioids and cannabinoid systems." Brain Res. 1999 Nov 27;848(1-2):183-90.

31. Maurer, et al., "Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol Shows Antispastic and Analgesic Effects in a Single Case Double-Blind Trial," European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience 240:1-4 (Spring 1990)

32. Holdcroft, A., op cit.

33. Martin, W.J., Basic Mechanisms of Cannabinoid-Induced Analgesia, IASP Newsletter (International Association for the Study of Pain) Summer 1999, at 89.

34. Cookson, C. High Hopes for Cannabis to Relieve Pain: British Association Science Festival in Glasgow, Financial Times, September 4, 2001, at National News pg. 4

35. Statement of Angel McClary Raich. From angeljustice.com, website for her suit, Angel McClary Raich, et. al. vs. John Ashcroft, et. al. United States District Court of the North District of California. No. C 02-4872. United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth District. No. 03-15481. Retrieved from http://angeljustice.com/article. php?list=type&type=6.

36. Declaration of Dorothy Gibbs. County of Santa Cruz et. al. vs. Ashcroft et. al. United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth District. Retrieved from http://www.santacruzvsashcroft.com/pleadings_gibbs.htm.

37. Declaration of James Daniel Baehr. Ibid. Retrieved from http://www.santacruzvsashcroft.com/pleadings_baehr.htm.

38. Declaration of Robert Brody, M.D. Ibid. Retrieved from http://www.santacruzvsashcroft.com/pleadings_brody.htm.
39. Declaration of Harvey L. Rose, M.D. Ibid. Retrieved from Harvey Rose, M.D. in suppport of the Plaintiffs.