Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport

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So in other words, you condone this! So Tyr is a fine upstanding poster and I'm to watch out for whiplash. I can and have admitted that these members involved in this death are probably lying. We are talking about 4 members of the RCMP here. This "little joke" of his is not about four members. It's about the RCMP period. He has the right to condemn that which has been my families lifestyle for the past 40 years but it's okay for him right? He has been referred to as a troll both on here and on canada.com but you go ahead and congratulate him.

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The highest rate of in custody deaths occurs in BC – RCMP – Read or watches the documentaries on how some Mounties are literally killers –and the cover-ups that followed – they got off -

No Police Force should be allowed to investigate themselves – It is without any doubt a conflict and can and does lead to a grave miscarriage of justice – Any one that is interested in Justice being served would and should be disgusted with Police Officers investigating themselves –

As to Tyr – Not a troll as far as I am concerned -

The other day you blamed the Officers Lawyers – I think they are doing their best to cover the respective asses of 4 incompetent Police Officers who in humble opinion are and should be charged with manslaughter - .
 

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Can some one please tell me if this is correct?

If a person drinks and drives and causes death, doesn’t that become an automatic criminal conviction? I know that to be the case, but my question bags for an answer, why is a cop exempt from getting the same record, the fact that he was allowed to continue serving in the force it makes him exempt from the criminal conviction, and particularly he lied as to the events of drinking the day of the accident causing death. Something is wrong here.
 

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The dangers of office supplies are underrated. Just think of the carnage one could do with a hole punch or an eraser.

Wow, that is so irresponsible! It looks like a child's toy. Don't the manufacturers realize a police officer could be injured by that thing!!!!
 

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Wow, that is so irresponsible! It looks like a child's toy. Don't the manufacturers realize a police officer could be injured by that thing!!!!


No doubt it's a sabre-toothed tiger kitten on the stapler. Again, to instill terror when raised over a man's head!
 

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Can some one please tell me if this is correct?

If a person drinks and drives and causes death, doesn’t that become an automatic criminal conviction? I know that to be the case, but my question bags for an answer, why is a cop exempt from getting the same record, the fact that he was allowed to continue serving in the force it makes him exempt from the criminal conviction, and particularly he lied as to the events of drinking the day of the accident causing death. Something is wrong here.

Is the cop appealing his conviction?
 

Socrates the Greek

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Leaving all technicalities aside a person regardless of their occupation if they drink and drive and kill some one, they automatically should receive a criminal record.

Judges have been behind the wheel while drunk on few documented cases thorough the years.
No one should be exempt from a drunken drive and kill criminal conviction. I know this is getting of topic but the spectrum off the Air Port incident ties in with the record of the cop, which automatically brings one in the theater of trust, which in this case there is no trust to be given to this particular cop, or respect for that matter, being that he lied as to the drunken events, as well lied on the Air Port testemony.
 

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...being that he lied as to the drunken events...

If he has appealed, then it is still before the courts. Complaining about the workings of our legal system on web forums changes little. If you don't like how our courts work, perhaps you should consider taking steps to change it.

As an employer, one may potentially leave oneself exposed if one fires somebody for criminal wrongdoing and the conviction is then overturned.


While you may want to leave all the technicalities aside, the real world won't allow that.
 
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If he has appealed, then it is still before the courts. Complaining about the workings of our legal system on web forums changes little. If you don't like how our courts work, perhaps you should consider taking steps to change it.

As an employer, one may potentially leave oneself exposed if one fires somebody for criminal wrongdoing and the conviction is then overturned.


While you may want to leave all the technicalities aside, the real world won't allow that.

What happened to "suspended pending the outcome"?
 

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If he has appealed, then it is still before the courts. Complaining about the workings of our legal system on web forums changes little. If you don't like how our courts work, perhaps you should consider taking steps to change it.

As an employer, one may potentially leave oneself exposed if one fires somebody for criminal wrongdoing and the conviction is then overturned.


While you may want to leave all the technicalities aside, the real world won't allow that.
" As an employer, one may potentially leave oneself exposed if one fires somebody for criminal wrongdoing and the conviction is then overturned."

What judge in his or her right state of mine overturn a death caused by drinking and driving conviction?, when in fact the cop even lied as to the events on the alcohol consumption which by the way it did not mach the blood alcohol level.
 
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THE DEATH OF ROBERT DZIEKANSKI
Decision not to charge in taser case stands on ever more shaky ground


GARY MASON

March 7, 2009



We now know the information upon which B.C.'s Criminal Justice Branch based its decision to clear the officers was erroneous. Just consider this one sentence in the statement issued by the branch in announcing its decision on Dec. 12:
"At this juncture, the evidence of independent witnesses, police officers and digital video were materially consistent in relation to the events which followed."
This is a fairly important aspect of the Crown's rationale for not proceeding with charges - everyone agreed as to what happened. One problem though: it's completely false. Many of the details the officers provided to justify their actions were not true, we have recently learned. In fact, the litany of inaccurate or misleading statements the officers gave RCMP investigators is long and disturbing.
They didn't have to taser Mr. Dziekanski a number of times because he refused to go down, as they told investigators. The victim wasn't tackled to the ground by officers because the taser wasn't working on him. The man collapsed in a writhing, yelping heap after he was blasted the first time - and before he was jolted four more times.
Mr. Dziekanski wasn't yelling and wielding a stapler above his head as he moved towards the officers - as they suggested in notes and interviews. He held a garden-variety stapler in his hand at waist height, while not yelling or advancing in a menacing manner.
And those are just a few of the inconsistencies in the officers' statements that have come to light. But they are important because they go to the heart of the central question in this case: did their actions constitute excessive force under Section 26 of the Criminal Code? And crucial to answering that question is determining the circumstances leading up to any confrontation between a police officer and a civilian in the first place.
I tried to find out whether the Criminal Justice Branch was aware of the problems in the officers' statements when it made its decision to clear them. A spokesman for the branch said: "The evidence was the evidence available to the Crown at the time. I don't want to engage in a disagreement with any element of it."
Whatever that means. In other words, the branch doesn't want to say. Why? It might be because the Crown based its decision on the investigative work of the RCMP. What is the likelihood that the RCMP pointed out the enormous problems inherent in the verbal statements and written reports given by its own officers? Did the RCMP report to the Crown mention that many of the officers' statements simply did not jibe with the video evidence? Did that raise alarm bells anywhere?
I also asked the branch spokesperson what it would take for the Justice Department to take another look at this case in light of the testimony given by the officers in the past two weeks. He said it would take the original investigative agency - the RCMP - coming forward with new information that changes the complexion of the case and warrants the Crown taking another look.
What are the chances of that happening?
I'm afraid this case is just another example, number 7,340, of why the police should not investigate themselves. The public doesn't trust the police, and especially the RCMP, to do a proper job. And the information that has recently come to light in the Robert Dziekanski case is precisely why.
"At this point, the decision is the decision," the Criminal Justice Branch spokesman told me.
My guess is that could change. The provincial government has been embarrassed by this matter, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Attorney-General did something about it once the Braidwood inquiry wraps up.
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Canadians have also written to Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Public Safety Minister Peter van Loan asking them to intervene.
Have you written .....?
 
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I notice in the past couple of days the posts are more focussed now on the beheading incident on the bus than this one, albeit that one is much more gruesome, this topic is of far more importance in that it deals closer with our general way of life and safely and the integrity of those supposedly protecting us. "Tim's Law",if it were to be passed would probably only affect a handful of people over the course of a lifetime, whereas the problem at YVR reflects the rotteness that is deeply entrenched in our every day lives. Those who protect us can't be depended upon. That is in no way a judgment on the integrity of the majority of those protecting us, it's just that when we need help we can't be SURE who we are going to get. In this case it APPEARS that four out of the four were "rotten apples". So let's keep the pressure on until something is done. I'm going to delay filing my taxes for awhile and as I owe them money, that should piss them off a little bit and let them know I'm pissed off :) LOL
 

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I'm going to delay filing my taxes for awhile and as I owe them money, that should piss them off a little bit and let them know I'm pissed off
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Good show JLM ;you are doing something to show your dislike of those who are running this country .Personally I have written to the PM telling him that as a citizen of Canada I object to what is happening in our country as far as the law is concerned.
 

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Quoting china I am writing to the Prime Minister of Canada that as a citizen of our country I demand that that the four RCMPs be punished properly for the crime that they have committed .As a Canadian it is my responsible to be involved with what is happening in my country even though I might be living somewhere else temporarly ,.I hope that more people will contact the PM.
As a Canadian it is your responsibility to know the whole story before you start contacting the PM. Obviously you know very little about it.
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Canadians have also written to Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Public Safety Minister Peter van Loan asking them to intervene.
As you can see Islandpacific not every Canadian thinks the way you do .
 

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As a Canadian it is your responsibility to know the whole story before you start contacting the PM. Obviously you know very little about it.
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As you can see Islandpacific not every Canadian thinks the way you do .

I have to stick up for I.P. to some degree here, as I believe she has one or more family connections to the police and I'm sure as I would be (if the member was an honourable person doing a good job) feels proud and her feelings, I'm sure stem from a feeling of loyalty to family and there is nothing wrong with that. However I must add that loyalty should never cloud the real issues.
 

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I believe it's "suspended with full pay" and a complimentary cottage with House boat on Shusap Lake until the fishing kinda tanks in October
I wonder what you have to do to lose your job with the RCMP? Apparently killing two people isn't enough.