Shame on Canada! re: Propaganda and Canada's Support of Ethnic Cleansing.

[Logic 7]

Whatever makes you comfortable. What were Parizeau's words? "It was the immigrant vote which cost us the referendum".

At that time , he was right, especially for the Jewish communauty .

The reason why we lost, it is because the liberals stole 200 000 votes, cause in reality we won.

The only thing i didnt like about Parizeau, instead of giving **** to the immigrant, he should have said, **** you canada, we are seperated, now we are giving the authority to the united nation to decide if we are separated or not.

 

[lone wolf]

...and what makes you think "Africans and Muslims" are going to knuckle down and live by the rules you set upon them? Separatiste maybe ... but at any cost? Are you willing to become "African or Muslim"? ...because you're NOT French?

 

[Logic 7]

...and what makes you think "Africans and Muslims" are going to knuckle down and live by the rules you set upon them? Separatiste maybe ... but at any cost? Are you willing to become "African or Muslim"? ...because you're NOT French?

Well yes i am french, basically i am a mic-mac(natives)mix with basque and french, and i was born in québec, so i am a quebecois.

Africans and muslim who are moving to quebec are for the separation of quebec, not all of them, but most of them, yes.

Like i said , there absolutly no reason to stay in canada, even for the canadians, i just think about the Queen and their stupidity, and my body wants to puke.

 

[Colpy]

At that time , he was right, especially for the Jewish communauty .

The reason why we lost, it is because the liberals stole 200 000 votes, cause in reality we won.

The only thing i didnt like about Parizeau, instead of giving **** to the immigrant, he should have said, **** you canada, we are seperated, now we are giving the authority to the united nation to decide if we are separated or not.

Oh, I should have known! It is the fault of the JEWS! :roll::roll::roll:
You are an idiot, there must be a convention at CC today.

And, BTW, it was the "Yes" side that was stealing votes, disqualifying huge numbers of ballots that disagreed with secession.

And more importantly, a unilateral declaration of independence in Quebec, especially after the Seperatists just LOST a referendum, would INEVITABLY result in a civil war, in which the piles of dead Frenchmen would be even more impressive than those at the Plains of Abraham in 1759.

I, for one, would like to avoid that result.

 

[Logic 7]

Oh, I should have known! It is the fault of the JEWS! :roll::roll::roll:

He was right about the jews, they don't learn our language, and culture, when most of the immigrant comming from other cultures, does, that was his point.

You are an idiot, there must be a convention at CC today.

And, BTW, it was the "Yes" side that was stealing votes, disqualifying huge numbers of ballots that disagreed with secession.

And more importantly, a unilateral declaration of independence in Quebec, especially after the Seperatists just LOST a referendum, would INEVITABLY result in a civil war, in which the piles of dead Frenchmen would be even more impressive than those at the Plains of Abraham in 1759.

I, for one, would like to avoid that result.

Not true, 200 000 votes were stolen by the "NO", and remember the scandals regarding the liberals?????? i hope you do, cause it was about it.

 

[tracy]

EAO, Canada has absorbed lots of refugees over the years. The reason I would expect Arab nations to do so is that the Palestinians are already there and they're the ones screaming about their suffering. It's disengenuous to keep doing that if you have the power to help them but choose not to. Even if they don't want to allow them citizenship, they could simply open the borders to humanitarian aide like we want Israel to do.

 

[Colpy]

Not true, 200 000 votes were stolen by the "NO", and remember the scandals regarding the liberals?????? i hope you do, cause it was about it.

I will answer in the other thread.........

 

[earth_as_one]

EAO, Canada has absorbed lots of refugees over the years. The reason I would expect Arab nations to do so is that the Palestinians are already there and they're the ones screaming about their suffering. It's disengenuous to keep doing that if you have the power to help them but choose not to. Even if they don't want to allow them citizenship, they could simply open the borders to humanitarian aide like we want Israel to do.

Hey I'm in favor of absorbing tens of thousands of Palestinian refugees into Canada as long as the US, Europe and South America take their fair share.

Screaming? as in throwing irrational temper tantrums? Is that the latest condescending and arrogant Israeli propaganda buzzword to describe people who demand Israel respect international law like all other nations or face sanctions? I guess you couldn't say these people are holding their breath. Its been over 60 years of oppression and injustice.

FAQ and answers regarding the Palestinian refugees from al Jazeera. Let me know which phrases sound like screaming to you:

1. Who are the Palestinian refugees?

The Palestinian refugees are approximately 726,000 Christians and Muslims (amounting to 75% of the Arab population of Palestine) who resided in what is now Israel and who fled or were expelled prior to, during and after the 1948 War to create a state for Jews in Palestine. They and their descendents are often referred to as the “1948 refugees.” See map: Population Movements, 1948-1951,
:: Negotiations Affairs Department ::

In 1967, an additional 200,000 Palestinians [2] fled their homes in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip when Israel launched a war against Jordan and Egypt, capturing and occupying the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip (the Occupied Palestinian Territories). They and their descendents are often referred to as the “1967 displaced persons.”

Neither the 1948 refugees nor the 1967 displaced persons have been allowed by Israel to return to their homes in what is now Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

2. How did they become refugees?

Like all refugees, the Palestinians left their homes out of fear for their safety due to the military conflict. Many fled due to direct military assaults on their towns and villages; others were forcibly expelled by Zionist forces. Massacres of Palestinian civilians created an atmosphere of fear that understandably caused many Palestinians to seek safety elsewhere. The most famous massacre occurred in Deir Yassin (not far from what is now Israel’s Holocaust Memorial) where, by most conservative estimates, Jews murdered more than 100 Palestinian men, women and children. [3]

Israelis understandably have a difficult time accepting that their independence came at the expense of the indigenous Palestinians, who were dispossessed of their homeland and property. Consequently, Israel perpetuates a number of mythologies with respect to the causes of the Palestinian refugee crisis, including: Arab armies ordered the Palestinian refugees to flee; Arab radio broadcasts ordered the Palestinians to leave; Palestinians do not originally come from Palestine, and that the refugee crisis was the result of a war started by Arabs (even though the New York Times documents thousands of Palestinian refugees prior to any Arab invasion). These mythologies have been debunked not only by newspaper reports, UN documents and Palestinian sources, but also by Israeli historians such as Ilan Pappé and Benny Morris.

Most importantly, even if such theories were true, none negates the Palestinian right of return: under international law, refugees have the right to return regardless of the circumstances by which they became refugees.

3. How many Palestinian refugees are there?

Today, the original Palestinian refugees and their descendents are estimated to number more than 6.5 million [4] and constitute the world’s oldest and largest refugee population, making up more than one-fourth of the entire refugee population in the world. [5] They include:

• 4 million 1948 refugees who are registered with the United Nations;
  
• 1.5 million 1948 refugees who are not registered by the United Nations either because they did not register or did not need assistance at the time they became refugees;
  
• 773,000 1967 displaced persons; and
  
• 263,000 internally displaced refugees (see question 5 below for more on the internally displaced).
  

See map: Palestinian Refugees, 2001,​

:: Negotiations Affairs Department ::​

4. Where do the Palestinian refugees live?

Palestinian refugees live around the world, though most live within 100 miles of Israel’s border. [6] Half of the refugees live in Jordan, one-fourth in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, and approximately 15 percent live in Syria and Lebanon. An additional 263,000 live in Israel. The remainder live scattered around the world, primarily in the rest of the Arab world, Europe and the Americas. [7]

More than 1.3 million Palestinian refugees live in 59 UN-administered refugee camps in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon and 12 unrecognized refugee camps: 5 in the West Bank, 3 in Jordan and 4 in Syria. [8] See map: The Palestinian Diaspora, 1958, :: Negotiations Affairs Department ::


5. Why are there Palestinian refugees in Israel?

In 1948, approximately 32,000 Palestinians left their homes but remained within the borders of what became Israel. These Palestinians have never been allowed to return to their homes and villages in Israel, despite the fact that they are Israeli citizens. Their homes, like the homes of other Palestinian refugees, were either demolished or given to Jews.

6. What happened to the property of the Palestinian refugees?

Following the 1948 war, approximately 531 Palestinian villages and towns were destroyed or resettled by Jews in an attempt to erase any evidence of a non-Jewish history and attachment to Palestine. Many destroyed Palestinian villages were rebuilt as Jewish towns and given Hebrew names. See map: Palestinian Villages Depopulated in 1948 and Razed by Israel, :: Negotiations Affairs Department ::

7. Have the Palestinian refugees been compensated for their property losses?

No. Conservative estimates of the current value of Palestinian property stolen or destroyed by Israel run well into billions of dollars, though estimates can vary based on whether non-material losses and compensation for host countries are included.

8. Do the Palestinian refugees have the right to return to their homes?

Yes. Under international law, civilians fleeing a war are entitled to return to their homes. This right is embodied in:

<UL><FONT face=Arial size=2>UN Resolution 194 - (passed on 11 December 1948 and reaffirmed every year since 1948 ): [9]

“…the [Palestinian] refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.”

9. Why haven’t the Palestinian refugees been able to return to their homes in Israel?

Israel refuses to abide by international law with respect to the rights of the indigenous non-Jewish population. Israel defines itself as a “Jewish state” and Palestinian refugees are Christians and Muslims. Jews from all over the world, and even converts to Judaism, are allowed to immigrate to Israel under the “Law of Return,” but in a clear demonstration of religious/ethnic discrimination, the indigenous Palestinian Muslim and Christian populations are banned from returning to their homes.

10. Doesn’t the right of return threaten Israel’s “Jewish character”?

The end of religious/ethnic discrimination with respect to the right of return threatens nothing other than discrimination itself. Allowing Christians and Muslims to return to their homes does not negate Jewish historical attachment to Israel nor does it deny the rights of Jews to immigrate to Israel. The right of return seeks only to address historic injustices and affirm the rights of the indigenous non-Jewish population.


11. Why can’t the host countries simply absorb the Palestinian refugees?

The Palestinian refugees are not from the host countries: they are from what is now Israel and have the right to return to Israel. While many countries have granted Palestinian refugees full citizenship, acquiring rights in another country does not negate a refugee’s right to return home.


12. What has the international community done about the Palestinian refugees?

The international community has largely supported the Palestinian right of return and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) which is the primary relief organization responsible for the welfare of the refugees. Nevertheless, the international community has failed to take any concrete measures to force Israel to abide by international law and allow the refugees to return.

13. Can’t the Palestinian refugee crisis be resolved through financial compensation to alleviate the poverty?

The term “refugee” does not refer to economic status – it is a legal status: financially successful refugees who have obtained citizenship in other countries are still refugees and still have the right to return. In addition to their right of return, all Palestinian refugees have a right to compensation for their losses.

14. How can the 55-year plight of the Palestinian refugees be resolved?

There can be no comprehensive solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict without honoring the rights of Palestinian refugees. Palestinian refugees must be given the option to exercise their right of return, though refugees may prefer other options such as: (i) resettlement in third countries, (ii) resettlement in a newly independent Palestine (even though they originate from that part of Palestine which became Israel) or (iii) normalization of their legal status in the host country where they currently reside. What is important is that the refugees decide for themselves which option they prefer – a decision must not be imposed upon them.

15. How was the issue of refugees addressed in negotiations with Israel?

At Camp David, Israel refused to discuss the issue of refugees, arguing that it bore no responsibility for the creation of the refugee problem or its solution. In December 2000, US President Clinton, through the “Clinton Parameters,” adopted the concept of choice but by excluding the most fundamental option of allowing refugees to choose to return to Israel, the Clinton Parameters effectively negated the legal rights of Palestinian refugees. At the Taba negotiations, Israel continued to press for an abandonment of the right of return. Palestinians should not be the first people in history forced to abandon their right of return.



Palestinian Refugees, Frequently Asked Questions

Sounds pretty accurate, calm and rational to me.

 

[tracy]

EAO, please stop trying to read more into my posts than I actually wrote. "Screaming" simply means screaming. It doesn't have a negative value attached to it. It's like talking, only it's louder.

By your own clipped post, almost 9/10ths of the current refugees have never lived in Israel. So, why don't the places where they are born take more responsibility for them? You can demand all you want from Israel. Israel is never going to let 6.5 million Palestinians immigrate. It would amount to their country ceasing to exist. Whether that's fair or not isn't my point. I don't think it's fair, btw. It is simply the reality. That's why other countries should be stepping up. You can wait forever for Israel to allow them back. You might as well wait for pigs to fly. Time would be better spent improving their lot wherever they are or allowing them to move elsewhere.

IMO, the whole problem with the Middle East is people can't give up grudges and move on.

 

[Logic 7]

So no one is able to explain why Israel has funded hamas in the firs place, why is that?


No one has heard the answer in the news????

 

[lone wolf]

So no one is able to explain why Israel has funded hamas in the firs place, why is that?


No one has heard the answer in the news????

Why don't you tell us all about it?

 

[Just the Facts]

So no one is able to explain why Israel has funded hamas in the firs place, why is that?


No one has heard the answer in the news????

Sorry I've been too busy flying my hologram. Maybe I'll get to it later.

 

[lone wolf]

Sorry I've been too busy flying my hologram. Maybe I'll get to it later.

Is the trijector or the dee-luxe internal projection cloaker?

 

[einmensch]

Oh you mean like Israel--NEVER FORGET, Tracy?
Yes Colpy, poor Jews have been pesecuted and now they are doing the same to the Palestinians. Before that they Jews murdered millions in Russia. They have lied for 60 years regarding the horrors committed by Germans. Only Jews have been persecuted????

 

[ironsides]

"This latest battle wasn't about a Gaza missile crisis. There was no missile crisis."

Now in this point you are wrong. How would you like to have missiles raining down upon you day and night. Not big smart stuff but rocketslittle bigger that toys that can kill. They were raining down upon Israel before the invasion. What if someone was doing it to your home, how would you react?

 

[Colpy]

Oh you mean like Israel--NEVER FORGET, Tracy?
Yes Colpy, poor Jews have been pesecuted and now they are doing the same to the Palestinians. Before that they Jews murdered millions in Russia. They have lied for 60 years regarding the horrors committed by Germans. Only Jews have been persecuted????

Jews murdered millions in Russia?????

Read a little history not written by demons in black uniforms.

There were three leaders of the Russian Revolution. Lenin was not a Jew. Stalin, who murdered millions in Russia, was not a Jew.

Trotsky WAS a Jew, he was deposed from power by Stalin in 1927, and expelled from the USSR in 1929, and murdered by a Soviet agent in Mexico City in the 1930s. Note his removal from power in 1927, before the horrors of Satalinist rule really took hold.

The terror in the USSR was solely the responsibility of Stalin, who was the ONLY power after 1926.

And, BTW, before the Revolution, Jews in Russia were only allowed to live in ghetto areas in a region of Russia known as the Pale, were restricted in the jobs they could hold, paid extra taxes, and were murdered wholesale in pogrom after pogrom.

Talk about blame the victims!

You really should read a little history not written by maniacal lunatics and idiots.

It really isn't that hard to find.

By the way, shouldn't this "discussion" be in one of your other international Jew-hating threads? :roll::roll: This one is just for Jew hating in the Middle East.

Oh, and the Jews are NOT lying about what your buddies did to them in the war, and for 1,000 years before that.

And comparing 1,000 years of the persecution of Jews, culminating in the industrialized murder of 6 million unarmed civilians, in NO WAY compares to ANYTHING the Israelis have done since 1948.

If the Israelis behaved the same way as your scumball Nazi heroes, there would be no Arabs in Israel, the West Bank, or Gaza. Full Stop.

 

[Logic 7]

Why don't you tell us all about it?

Well no problem, Israel goals behind funding hamas, is to make sure trouble is in palestine for a long time, so Israel can attack whenever they want, just like the west funded the talibans, saddam hussein and many mores.

 

[Colpy]

Well no problem, Israel goals behind funding hamas, is to make sure trouble is in palestine for a long time, so Israel can attack whenever they want, just like the west funded the talibans, saddam hussein and many mores.

Welcome back, Logic 7....I missed you.

Comic relief is so hard to come by in these Jew hater threads......

 

[Logic 7]

And comparing 1,000 years of the persecution of Jews, culminating in the industrialized murder of 6 million unarmed civilians, in NO WAY compares to ANYTHING the Israelis have done since 1948.

Comparing suffering, shows how retarded you are, simply. 60 years of persecution, stealing land, is no way comparable to anything at all, put that in your little christian fundamentalist brain.

If the Israelis behaved the same way as your scumball Nazi heroes, there would be no Arabs in Israel, the West Bank, or Gaza. Full Stop.

There is millions of arabs who can't go back to their land, ****ing moron.

 

[Colpy]

Comparing suffering, shows how retarded you are, simply. 60 years of persecution, stealing land, is no way comparable to anything at all, put that in your little christian fundamentalist brain.




There is millions of arabs who can't go back to their land, ****ing moron.

There are not millions who can not go home, only 800,000 left.

There were more Jews than that forced to leave Arab lands.......

If you read above, you'd know that, Dear.

You can read, can't you????