That sounds reasonable given the situation. The problem I have was this was a 33 year old with proven fertility and her only health issue was tubal problems. 2 should have really been the limit in her case.
Octuplets... women are not meant to have litters
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That sounds reasonable given the situation. The problem I have was this was a 33 year old with proven fertility and her only health issue was tubal problems. 2 should have really been the limit in her case.
The Assisted Human Reproduction Act in Canada covers that stuff. It is likely one step or many steps ahead of the technology. Not sure what you meant by of 6 of 8 pass from complications. There is no cloning, it's basic sperm and egg fertilization. Unused embryos can be donated to research but there are strict guidelines to be followed. It's illegal in Canada to compensate someone for being a surrogate. It's also illegal to sell eggs, sperm or embryos.
I saw this new Octuplet mother on TV with Ann Curry in an interview. I don't think the new mom realizes just how hard it will be to feed and properly support 14 when the new California IOU's come out in the form of Welfare and Aid to Needy Children (ANC) checks. I didn't view her as intelligent enough to even spell the word litter correctly or even explain what it means. All she knows is the state will provide for her needs.
Actually besides the State, her parents seem to be providing much of the care, while she prances around with her little wand like a princess giving each and every kid a kiss before she hits the bars, leaving them to her parents, because it's so much hard work letting her parents & state take care of them, so she needs a break.
Then again, maybe the reason why she wanted to have so many kids was because her parents were going to toss her out on her ass, so she decided to unload a bunch of kids to guilt them into letting her stay this long..... 33 years old and still with her parents, with kids? And then a bunch more? Doesn't want to get married to the guy who's sperm she sucked out?
I call that milking the system and an attention whor*
All those kids should be taken away and given up for addoption, give her parents a chance to have their own lives and lock her away to get her damn head checked.
Fertility Expert Calls Birth Of Octuplets 'Criminal'
Fertility Expert Calls Birth Of Octuplets 'Criminal'
Octuplets' mother receives public assistance [UPDATED]
4:45 PM, February 9, 2009
Nadya Suleman, the woman who gave birth to octuplets last month, is receiving $490 a month in food stamps, and three of her first six children are disabled and receiving federal assistance, her publicist confirmed to The Times.
Publicist Michael Furtney confirmed the information after two sources told The Times that Suleman was receiving food stamps and federal supplemental security income.
Suleman had told NBC News correspondent Ann Curry in an interview that she was not receiving welfare. Furtney said Suleman didn't consider the food stamps and SSI to be welfare.
“In Nadya’s view, the money that she gets from the food stamp program ... and the resources disabilities payments she gets for her three children are not welfare," he said. "They are part of programs designed to help people with need, and she does not see that as welfare."
Furtney declined to say what kinds of disabilities the three children have. Nadya Suleman told NBC that she was struggling financially to support her six children before the birth of her octuplets, but that she knows she will be able to support them, especially after she earns her master’s degree in counseling.
"I will feed them," Suleman said in the interview, responding to criticism that she would have difficulty providing emotional and financial support for them. "I will do the best I possibly can. In my own way, in my own faith, I do believe wholeheartedly that God will provide in his own way."
4:45 PM, February 9, 2009
Nadya Suleman, the woman who gave birth to octuplets last month, is receiving $490 a month in food stamps, and three of her first six children are disabled and receiving federal assistance, her publicist confirmed to The Times.Publicist Michael Furtney confirmed the information after two sources told The Times that Suleman was receiving food stamps and federal supplemental security income.
Suleman had told NBC News correspondent Ann Curry in an interview that she was not receiving welfare. Furtney said Suleman didn't consider the food stamps and SSI to be welfare.
“In Nadya’s view, the money that she gets from the food stamp program ... and the resources disabilities payments she gets for her three children are not welfare," he said. "They are part of programs designed to help people with need, and she does not see that as welfare."
Furtney declined to say what kinds of disabilities the three children have. Nadya Suleman told NBC that she was struggling financially to support her six children before the birth of her octuplets, but that she knows she will be able to support them, especially after she earns her master’s degree in counseling.
"I will feed them," Suleman said in the interview, responding to criticism that she would have difficulty providing emotional and financial support for them. "I will do the best I possibly can. In my own way, in my own faith, I do believe wholeheartedly that God will provide in his own way."
"I will feed them," Suleman said in the interview, responding to criticism that she would have difficulty providing emotional and financial support for them. "I will do the best I possibly can. In my own way, in my own faith, I do believe wholeheartedly that God will provide in his own way."
^ Yeah by getting the government to take them away from your sorry ass and giving you a hysterectomy.
Ok ok, that was a bit harsh..... just take them away.
^ Yeah by getting the government to take them away from your sorry ass and giving you a hysterectomy.
Ok ok, that was a bit harsh..... just take them away.
The state doesn't take children away just because a mother makes stupid decisions. As long as they are fed, clothed, sheltered and not abused, she has every right to keep her children.
Thank you for that link Kreskin. I think other people in the fertility industry are VERY concerned this will reflect on them.
Thank you for that link Kreskin. I think other people in the fertility industry are VERY concerned this will reflect on them.
I'm sure they will soon find out that she can't. If it wasn't for her parents, they'd be out on the streets, the place is apparently a pig sty as her mother claims, and she was barely taking care of her current children.... now she has these ones and you believe things are going to actually improve?
I seriously don't believe her parents are willing to deal with her and all her children in their little three bedroom house.
From her mother:
"I'm struggling to look after her six. We had to put in bunk beds, feed them in shifts and there's children's clothing piled all over the house."
^ She's not taking care of them, her mother (The Grandmother) is taking care of them.... all she is, is a friggin baby cannon.
I mean besides all that..... there isn't enough space within that house for the grandparents, her and all those kids.... those are not decent living conditions if you ask me and she is not providing the proper care for all those kids, her own parents are.
And to prove it even further, she's spending all this damn time talking to the media and tv about her fun little adventures..... all the while her parents are stuck back home looking after her last breed.
I would just add one thing and that is their safety isn't compromised by her abuse of drugs, alcohol or association with crime and criminals.
2 people procreating through sex is entirely natural. IVF is an interference with that natural process. I have no problem with us interfering, but there does need to be reasonable limits to our interference just like there is with any other medical procedure.
The government regulates a lot of things (including smack usage). Few industries are more regulated than healthcare. What's the real objection to preventing doctors from implanting more than 3 embryos at a time? People can still have as many kids as they want.
Natural in that case is a pretty specific term. Either way its the direct choices of human beings causing the formation of human beings.
Either mankind and our activities are part of nature or they aren't. Deciding some are and some aren't seems like emotion based semantics rather than appealing to logic.
I have no problem with people wanting big families..... so long as you have your own house and able to afford it.
I do have an issue with excessive families, but it's a personal viewpoint and not something that can be mandated.
Having more than 3 children puts a tremendous strain on our society as a whole (polution, schooling, etc) and health care specifically.
If she decides that she wants 14 kids, I see no problem with the "state" imposing a supplemental tax per child. $1000/yr for the fourth child, $2000/yr for the 5th and so one. Her bill per year would come out to $66,000/year to offset the cost to all of us.
I've dealt with social services enough here to know that there has to be actual abuse or neglect before they'll do much. Relying on your parents to babysit and help you out isn't enough to warrant taking kids out of a home, no matter how cramped it is. A woman in Whittier had quadruplets a couple of years ago. There were something like 11 people living in their one bedroom apartment at the time.
Where do you think the state will put all these babies? We often have trouble finding a foster family for ONE baby. Eight? All with potential prematurity problems and a publicity hungry mother? You'd have a REALLY hard time finding foster parents willing to do that even if they split the kids all up.
she's already made money from interviews. The money should be seized and held in trust by the state to pay for any extrordinary expenses the children incur.
There is a big difference between natural reproduction, which every species on earth can do, and scientific advances which have allowed us to have other options. Under natural circumstances a woman would never conceive octuplets. It takes science interfering to achieve that.
Yep, sometimes in matters such as this I find it better if everyone just minds his own business. It's rude to inquire of the source of income of complete strangers. Put a lid on it.