Israel threatens 'disproportionate' response to Hamas rocket fire

[Just the Facts]

Hamas is about as likely to acquire nukes as they are to develop a space program and put a militant on the moon.

I hope you're right, but if Iran develops nukes, Hamas is just a short hop from getting them.

Time will tell.

 

[Just the Facts]

Does a rocket which creates a crater in a farmer's field 99.9% of the time really compare to lobbing heavy artillery shells and white phophorus into densely populated urban areas?

If the rockets are doing nothing but create craters in farmers fields, why fire them? Why dedicate the lions share of Gaza's resources towards creating craters in farmers fields? Why give Israel more than ample justification to attack Gaza like they just did for the sake of craters in farmer's fields?

Is Hamas really that stupid?

 

[lone wolf]

If the rockets are doing nothing but create craters in farmers fields, why fire them? Why dedicate the lions share of Gaza's resources towards creating craters in farmers fields? Why give Israel more than ample justification to attack Gaza like they just did for the sake of craters in farmer's fields?

Is Hamas really that stupid?

Yes ... and so is Israel if they're going dramatic over holes in farmers' fields

 

[lone wolf]

Yeah, apparently everything you describe there is "just trauma". Trauma don't mean nuthin, according to what I've been taught in this thread.

The "just trauma" of which you speak was written of Jews at the hands of Nazi Germany....

 

[darkbeaver]

If the rockets are doing nothing but create craters in farmers fields, why fire them? Why dedicate the lions share of Gaza's resources towards creating craters in farmers fields? Why give Israel more than ample justification to attack Gaza like they just did for the sake of craters in farmer's fields?

Is Hamas really that stupid?

A good question. You would almost think some other agency was responsible for the seeming suicidal Palestinian rocket launches. I would guess that those with the most to gain from an action would contribute the most to the realization of that action. Logic could quite easily be seen to support further investigation into this petite false flag scenario. I don't know that Hamas is stupid at all but I'm very certain that Zionists are very stupid and very psycopathic.
Now if those rockets in question could be given greater range, accuracy and destructive power and they could be seen to produce many more multiple Israeli deaths then I could still not believe that Hamas was responsible but knowing the dispicability of the Zionist and the expendability with which it views the Israeli lesser bretheren it could still be well within the realm of the classic false flag operation. Simply put, Israel is guilty on all counts and should be dissolved by any acceptable universal international convention of war and or law.
Once the execution of the order to destroy Iran has become evident I would guess the days of Israel can be numbered in months. When you live by disproportionate warfare you die by disproportionate warfare.:smile:

 

[earth_as_one]

Why?

Does it display the humanity of:

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Islam like this does.

Avro,

Not everyone what to see that stuff and you should give people a choice by posting a warning at least.

There are 1.5 bllion Muslims. Not all wear black hoods and cut people's head's off. Most are just regular people. Some are quite angry, but not all resort to violence.

The west has been screwing with these people for centuries and as a result some are pretty pissed with us. These people aren't stupid. They know their history. Most people in the west are ignorant of Muslim and Arab suffering and as a result are surprised by their anger at us. Incidents like the one you posted are a reaction to injustice and oppression, not a cause.

Take Osama bin Laden for example. Did you ever wonder why he has a hard on for the west? 9/11 is related directly to Israel and US/Western policies in the Middle East. Our media seldom takes the time to put things in context, but once in a while they do:

REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, you've declared a jihad against the United States. Can you tell us why? And is the jihad directed against the US government or the United States' troops in Arabia? What about US civilians in Arabia or the people of the United States?

BIN LADIN: We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet's Night Travel Land (Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those who were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. The mention of the US reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that took place in Qana (in Lebanon). This US government abandoned even humanitarian feelings by these hideous crimes. It transgressed all bounds and behaved in a way not witnessed before by any power or any imperialist power in the world....

Transcript of Osama Bin Ladin interview by Peter Arnett

I bet you never heard of Qana. Most Muslims know about Qana.

Search youtube for:
Qana 1996 2006

How about Sabra and Shatila? Another place that Arabs and Muslims know well.
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YouTube - Stains of blood: Sabra & Shatila

Israel and the West has been screwing these people for decades, literally

...In August 1949, an army unit stationed at Nirim in the Negev shot an Arab man and captured a Bedouin girl with him. Her name and age remain unknown, but she was probably in her mid-teens...


In the following hours she was taken from the hut and forced to shower naked in full view of the soldiers. Three of the men then raped her.

After the Sabbath meal the platoon commander, identified by Ha'aretz as a man called Moshe who had served in the British army during the second world war, proposed a vote on what should be done with her.

One option was to put her to work in the outpost's kitchen.
Most of the 20 or so soldiers present voted for the alternative by chanting: "We want to fxxx". The commander organised a rota for groups of his men to gang rape the girl over the next three days. Moshe and one of his sergeants went first, leaving the girl unconscious. Next morning, she complicated matters by protesting about her treatment. Moshe told one of his sergeants to kill her...


She was forced into a patrol vehicle with several soldiers, two carrying shovels, and they drove off into the dunes. When the girl realised what was about to happen she tried to run, but only made it a few paces before she was shot by a Sergeant Michael.
Her body was buried in a grave less than a foot deep...

...Several years later members of a kibbutz near the Nirim base noticed that the wind had uncovered a small hand...

Israel learns of a hidden shame in its early years | World news | The Guardian

According to Jewish Israeli historians like Benny Morris, events like the above were common:

According to your new findings, how many cases of Israeli rape were there in 1948?

"About a dozen. In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg."



According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948?

"Twenty-four. In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field - they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village - she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved.
"The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). There is no unequivocal proof of a large-scale massacre at Tantura, but war crimes were perpetrated there. At Jaffa there was a massacre about which nothing had been known until now. The same at Arab al Muwassi, in the north. About half of the acts of massacre were part of Operation Hiram [in the north, in October 1948]: at Safsaf, Saliha, Jish, Eilaboun, Arab al Muwasi, Deir al Asad, Majdal Krum, Sasa. In Operation Hiram there was a unusually high concentration of executions of people against a wall or next to a well in an orderly fashion.

"That can't be chance. It's a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres."

Ari Shavit: Survival of the Fittest? an Interview with Benny Morris

And now we have Gaza 2009 to add to the collection.

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YouTube - The Truth about Gaza Genocide

 

[Colpy]

Excuse me Gentlemen, but Jewish or Muslim blood all sprays red, and bodies beheaded and torn apart don't look nice.......this is unnecessary and gratuitous to say the least.......

Let's not play "these dead bodies are worse than those dead bodies"

Please.

 

[MHz]

Excuse me Gentlemen, but Jewish or Muslim blood all sprays red, and bodies beheaded and torn apart don't look nice.......this is unnecessary and gratuitous to say the least.......

A dead man's blood is a bit crunchy when you walk on it.