Auschwitz survivors mark camp's liberation

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You can review several thousand years of evidence that supports every religion there ever was, the holocaust is much the same. Most people faced with execution will say do or write anything. His evidence would not be admissable in a proper court. The victors in any conflict write the history the details are more often than not manufactured to fit the new order.

DB....snub out the joint.....

How many holocaust deniers have been executed?????:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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I don't see what reason my grandma would have to lie to me. I'm sure she would have liked to have been able to give me the names of more relatives to see when I went to Poland. She was not Jewish btw, just Polish. Her relatives that died during the war were those Slavs people often forget about.


"Just Polish" was enough to get you killed. Or just Slav. Anything but Aryan. These Eastern Europeans were to be the slave workers of the Nazis, and they were slaughtered in great numbers.


There are quite a few Nazi apologists on this forum, Tracy. None of them will admit one Jew was in fact killed by Nazis, this despite a well written and proven history.

Several millions of people killed during WW2, among which were some millions of Jews. All killed by Nazis and their helpers. The Jews have every right to remember this slaughter, systematic and brutal as it was. Whether they should keep the concentration camp in good repair is up to whomever wishes to pay for it.

Personally, I think it should be bulldozed, and hate speech should be allowed, just so we remember what kind of pathological idiots we are dealing with.
 

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DB....snub out the joint.....

How many holocaust deniers have been executed?????:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Well the exact number escapes me Colpy but in the time since the holocaust I would say ten million have been killed and forty million displaced by the Zionists and thier flunkys, many hundreds of millions more have been pressed into slavery. If you study the conflicts involving Israel you will find the victims branded as holocaust deniers all the way back to the King David Hotel. So while you ask a question which seems to you to have a fixed answer it in fact does not. The slaughter of "holocaust deniers" is acctually being conducted as we speak.
 

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The Germans bear great responsibility for the Holocaust.

I don't buy the excuse "I didn't know!". Bull****. You somehow missed the posters, the speeches, the disappearing neighbours, the stinking trains passing through, the doctors, teachers, professors suddenly gone, the stores closed, Kristalnacht, the entire thrust of Nazism?

Sorry, I don't buy it.

And a large portion of the German people, if not the majority, supported the Nazis in all their policies.

any people is responsible for those who act in their name, unless they are actively involved in resistence.

That said, other peoples besides the Germans took up the practises of Jew-murder with enthusiasm........those in occupied territories that helped Jews were a tiny minority, the majority of occupied peoples jumped on the "kill Jews" bandwagon with little encouragement......it is a testimony to the worst aspects of human nature, and to how deeply ingrained Jew-hatred was (and is)in European culture.

All enabled, encouraged, and mostly carried out by the Germans.

A German that says "There was nothing I could do, I was afraid" might command respect, but "i didn't know" is Bull****.

Those who didn't know were holding their hands over their eyes.

Enough already.! Any Germans who were responsible for what went on in the camps are for the most part dead by now. That war ended 64 years ago. A young person drafted into the German military at twenty years of age in 1940 is now dead or close to 90 years old.

Nacht und Nebel didn't only apply to Jews. If a German complained about the Nazi Government while having a few drinks he could end up being one of the dissappeared if the wrong person overheard him. The voluntary majority support for the Nazis you talk about is fiction. The Nazis never forgave any resistance.
 

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Most people faced with execution will say do or write anything. His evidence would not be admissable in a proper court.

He had already been sentenced. His confessions could not change his fate. So why make them unless they were true and he actually did feel remorseful. That was after he had testified in court about what went on in Auschwitz and its sattelite camps. He was raised as a very religious person, I suspect he wanted forgiveness for his sins from his creator. People on death row do it all the time.
 

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Nacht und Nebel didn't only apply to Jews. If a German complained about the Nazi Government while having a few drinks he could end up being one of the dissappeared if the wrong person overheard him. The voluntary majority support for the Nazis you talk about is fiction. The Nazis never forgave any resistance.

Juan, that was true right up to the 1980's. East Germans still spied on their neighbours for the government. Have you read Furher- Ex? Ingo explains very well how denial of the facts happens and how hatred of others is encouraged by the neo nazis.
 

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Oh, and while you are at it, give me examples.....History profs losing tenure because they speak truths " they can verify through documented sources"
This is not specific to the topic but the practice is not limited to just history.
“It is entirely illegitimate for a university to deny tenure to a professor out of fear that his published research … might hurt a college’s reputation,” he says.
Students Will Begin Hunger Strike in Support of DePaul Professors Denied Tenure - Chronicle.com
 

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The mind works best when it is open like an umbrella.

Yes Tracy he was tortured and even confessed to --

Rudolf Hoess was the Allies' most important witness to the "Holocaust." His affidavit and his testimony were quoted extensively both by the prosecution and in the judgment of the IMT at Nuremberg, as well as by the press. It was his testimony which laid the foundation and validated the claim of the ". . . extermination of millions of people by gas at Auschwitz." Hoess's "confession" is heavily relied upon by historians like Raul Hilberg and others as a primary documentary source to this day.

It is true that Hoess witnessed at Nuremberg to horrendous "atrocities," and he also confirmed the "truth" under oath of an affidavit which he agreed to sign for the prosecution. In it, he confessed to having given orders for the gassing of millions of victims. The affidavit, by the way, was in English, a language he did not speak or understand, according to family members.

We now know from the book "Legions of Death" that Rudolf Hoess was beaten almost to death by Jewish members of the British Field Police Force upon capture and badly mistreated thereafter until he gave this very devastating "testimony" and "affidavit" used by the Allies propagandists ever since. You be the judge. Here is an excerpt from this book by Rupert Butler, published by Hamlyn Paperbacks, page 235:
At 5 PM on 11 March 1946, Frau Hoess opened her front door to six intelligence specialists in British uniform, most of them tall and menacing and all of them practiced in the more sophisticated techniques of sustained and merciless investigation.

No physical violence was used on the family: it was scarcely necessary. Wife and children were separated and guarded. Clarke's tone was deliberately low-key and conversational.

He began mildly: "I understand your husband came to see you as recently as last night."

Frau Hoess merely replied: "I haven't seen him since he absconded months ago"

Clarke tried once more, saying gently but with a tone of reproach: "You know that isn't true." Then all at once his manner had changed and he was shouting: "If you don't tell us, we'll turn you over to the Russians and they'll put you before a firing squad. Your son will go to Siberia."

It proved more than enough. Eventually, a broken Frau Hoess betrayed the whereabouts of the former Auschwitz Kommandant, the man who now called himself Franz Lang. Suitable intimidation of the son and daughter produced precisely identical information.

When they found Hoess, here is how the capture played out. Clarke, one of the participants, recalls it vividly:

"He was lying on top of a three-tier bunker wearing a new pair of silk pyjamas. We discovered later that he had lost the cyanide pill most of them carried. Not that he would have had much chance to use it because we had rammed a torch (flashlight) into his mouth."

Hoess screamed in terror at the mere sight of the British uniforms.

Clarke yelled: "What is your name?"

With each answer of "Franz Lang," Clarke's hand crashed into the face of the prisoner. The fourth time that happened, Hoess broke and admitted who he was.

The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of the Jewish sergeants in the arresting party whose parents had died in Auschwitz following an order signed by Hoess.

The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjama ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.

Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse."

A blanket was thrown over Hoess and he was dragged to Clarke's car, where the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whiskey down his throat. Then Hoess tried to sleep.

Clarke thrust his service stick under the man's eyelids and ordered in German: "Keep your pig eyes open, you swine." . . .

The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow was swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Hoess and he was made to walk completely nude through the prison yard to his cell. It took three days to get a coherent statement out of him.

This statement, tortured and terrorized out of him, was the one we are all familiar with--the "proof" for the so-called "gassing of the Jews."

Historians today are finally admitting that Hoess is a totally unreliable witness--and is it any wonder? He spoke of a concentration camp "Wolzek" which does not even exist. He swore that 2,500,000 people were gassed and burned at Auschwitz and a further half million died of disease, for a total dead of three million. The Toronto Sun of July 18, 1990 claimed 1.5 million. The Washington Post, on the same date, also mentioned 1.5 million. Quoted from an article by Krzyszlov Leski, we have the following:

Here is a different case--
It must be noted that Butler and his interlocutor Clarke both seem highlysatisfied with these acts of torture.
The American enquiry committee made up of judges Van Roden and Simpson,sent to Germany in 1948 to investigate irregularities committed by the Americanmilitary court at Dachau (which had tried 1,500 German prisoners and sentenced420 of them to death), established that the accused had been subjected tophysical and psychological torture of every sort to force them to make thedesired "confessions". Thus 137 out of 139 German prisoners examinedhad been kicked in testicles, receiving permanent injuries.
Source : Interview with Judge Edward L. Van Roden, in "The Progressive",February 1949.



Rudolf Höss Impossible Statements
 

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Let us learn something about Gas chamber executions:

Gas Chamber Executions - An Overview and History of Gas Chamber Executions

Dachau Gas Chamber Interior

[SIZE=-1]"The internees who were brought to Camp Dachau for the sole purpose of being executed were in most cases Jews and Russians. They were brought to the compound, lined up near the gas chambers, and were screened in a similar manner as internees who came to Dachau for imprisonment. Then they were marched to a room and told to undress. Everyone was given a towel and a piece of soap, as though they were about to take a shower. During this whole screening process, no hint was ever given that they were to be executed, for the routine was similar upon arrival of all internees in the camp." Quoted from The Official Report by the U.S. Seventh Army, released only days after the camp was liberated.[/SIZE]
Please note that the USA much later stated loud and clear that no one was killed with gas at Dachau yet there are witnesses that swore people were gassed.
in full>>Photos of the interior of the Dachau gas chamber
more to come
 

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Colpy there are Jewish witnesses to Gassings in Dachau . But there were no gassings at Dachau. I'm still waiting for these mass graves? Where are they Colpy?

Your only point is that Ferguson states that the population of Eropean Jews shrank by nearly 6 million from 1939 to 1945.

In Austria the Jewish population dropped fro, 180,000 to 60,000 long before any Alleged gassings took place. 120,000 jews emigrated. In Germany a large number emigrated as well. Unfortunate all we got from you was page 470. 5.8 million fewer Jews in Europe. His findings. Other numbers have been presented but his is accurate to 1. You base all on that.
 

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Nuggler-Do you have any evidence that gassings took place. Post your source.
"I was told 6 million" won't be considered reliable. Perhaps not you but many people are intelligent enough to see the manipulation and lies. No doubt you firmly believe that Israel is a peace loving country. Ariel Sharon shoul have received the Nobel peace prize. Bless you my son.
Very pleased to see Bishop Williamson is still standing firm.
 

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ROME – A priest in an ultraconservative society recently rehabilitated by Pope Benedict XVI has defended a bishop in his group and joined him in expressing doubts about the Holocaust.
While making more cautious remarks than Bishop Richard Williamson, the Rev. Floriano Abrahamowicz echoed, in an interview published Thursday by an Italian daily, the prelate's doubts that Jews were gassed during World War II.
"I know gas chambers existed at least to disinfect, I can't say if anybody was killed in them or not," Abrahamowicz told La Tribuna di Treviso, a newspaper in northern Italy.


Time for the Jewish Inquisition to get to work. Nice to see Bishop did not recant. Will he be charged ? Why has he not been charged? Since the Pope is not a historian as Colpy says, nice to see he is staying neutral at this point.
 

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den A Book Brings the Holocaust Close to Home

Maxine Hicks for The New York Times
LEGACY Harold Charych, left, and Arthur Charych, who inherited a book on the Holocaust that will be in an exhibition.
By AILEEN JACOBSON
Published: January 28, 2009

DURING their childhoods, Arthur and Harold Charych — known as Artie and Hal — would often sneak looks at the black-covered volume, filled with gruesome photographs, that their parents kept in a hutch in their living room in New Jersey.
“Oh, my God, it was so shocking,” Harold Charych recalled recently as he and his older brother carefully turned the fragile pages of the book, “Extermination of Polish Jews: Album of Pictures.”
In 1991, after their father’s death, Arthur Charych carried the tattered 136-page book to his own house in Setauket. There it remained for some 15 years, untouched but not erased from their memories, said the brothers, engineers who are now 61 and 56.
The graphic book shows Jews being humiliated and tortured, as well as bodies of those who had been killed, in photos that an introduction says were mostly taken by German soldiers who wanted “ ‘charming’ keepsakes.” It was published in December 1945 in Lodz, Poland, by the Central Jewish Historical Committee in Poland. Their copy, the brothers said, was acquired in Lodz by their parents, Holocaust survivors who had met earlier that year.
In this country, the parents, Alex and Henia, took the book out when friends — most of them also survivors — came to visit, the brothers said. The grown-ups sat at the kitchen table, telling stories in Yiddish and poring over the book as though it were a family album, they said. The boys lingered nearby. “They thought we couldn’t understand Yiddish, but we could,” Harold Charych said.
Arthur Charych said their father never talked to them about the Holocaust. “The only information we had was when we listened in on their conversations,” said Mr. Charych, explaining that this was how they learned about their father’s years in Dachau, the German concentration camp. Their mother sometimes told them about her life during the war, working in Siberia.
The book would probably still be languishing in Arthur Charych’s basement, the brothers said, if Harold Charych, who lives in Poquott, had not had dinner more than a year ago with a neighbor, Steven Schrier, and told him about the book.
Mr. Schrier, who is the executive director of the Suffolk Center on the Holocaust, Diversity and Human Understanding, asked to see it. He said he discovered through research how rare it was, and now the book is a focal point of an exhibition mounted by Mr. Schrier and Steven Klipstein, the center’s curator, at its home on the Ammerman Campus of Suffolk County Community College in Selden.
Mr. Schrier had copies of many of the book’s more than 250 photographs enlarged. The exhibition, “The Occupation of Poland and the Extermination of Polish Jews,” runs through Feb. 27 and includes 22 framed photos, a slide show of others, the book (under Plexiglas) and a photo of the family’s mother, then Henia Lin, with her parents and four siblings.
At 14, Henia left Poland to study in Russia, a week before the war started in 1939. When she returned at age 20, she learned that her family had perished in Auschwitz. All that was left of her former home was a boulder. “She sat on that boulder and cried,” Harold Charych said.
Their father, the brothers said, was a gregarious risk-taker who had been a singer and stand-up comic. His personality, and luck, helped him survive, they said.
When he arrived in Dachau, along with his brother, Alex Charych claimed to be a sheet metal worker. He wasn’t, but the Nazis needed sheet metal workers, Harold Charych said. By selling metal outside the camp, Mr. Charych could get extra food. Just before the war’s end, the Nazis took the inmates on a forced march. When Mr. Charych’s brother collapsed, Arthur Charych said, a guard shot him.
Alex and Henia met in Warsaw and lived in Lodz before emigrating to the United States when Arthur was almost 12 and Harold, 7. In Lodz, they said, their father continued to work with metal, making containers with false bottoms, suitable for smuggling.
In Guttenberg, N.J., where they settled, Mr. Charych worked as a roofer and his wife ran a launderette that the family owned. They had another child, Deborah, now 44 and living in California. At some point — they are not sure when — the brothers discovered that their father had had a wife and three children in his hometown, Vilna, Lithuania, who had all been killed.
The parents’ behavior, not discussing the Holocaust experiences with their children, is not uncommon, said Irving Roth, 79, a survivor of Auschwitz and Buchenwald who lives in Williston Park and will speak at a reception for the exhibition at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday at the Flecker Memorial Gallery on the campus here. It is less common never to mention a murdered family, Mr. Roth said, but understandable.
“Who are we to criticize?” he said.
 

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ROME – A priest in an ultraconservative society recently rehabilitated by Pope Benedict XVI has defended a bishop in his group and joined him in expressing doubts about the Holocaust.
While making more cautious remarks than Bishop Richard Williamson, the Rev. Floriano Abrahamowicz echoed, in an interview published Thursday by an Italian daily, the prelate's doubts that Jews were gassed during World War II.
"I know gas chambers existed at least to disinfect, I can't say if anybody was killed in them or not," Abrahamowicz told La Tribuna di Treviso, a newspaper in northern Italy.


Time for the Jewish Inquisition to get to work. Nice to see Bishop did not recant. Will he be charged ? Why has he not been charged? Since the Pope is not a historian as Colpy says, nice to see he is staying neutral at this point.

Ahhhh....the Catholic Church in Poland and Germany was hardly a great defender of Jews.....

Unfortunately, many conservative so-called "Christians" believe the Jews "had it coming to them" for their rejection of Christ. They refused to resist, or even help Jews (are you reading this MHz?)

Many are also unable to deal with the way the Catholic Church stood aside for the Nazi regime.....the pope at the time hated Nazis, but would not stand in their way as the welfare of the Church came first......so now the conservative branch institution is faced with a nasty choice.....admit their failure to resist, as was their obvious Christian duty, or deny that the holocaust was as bad as it really was.....

Read Hitler's Pope by John Cornwell

I do beleve the author gets caught up in sensationalism to sell books, as evidenced by his title, and by the fact the Church did save some Jews, but the essence is there.....
 

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Colpy there are Jewish witnesses to Gassings in Dachau . But there were no gassings at Dachau. I'm still waiting for these mass graves? Where are they Colpy?

Your only point is that Ferguson states that the population of Eropean Jews shrank by nearly 6 million from 1939 to 1945.

In Austria the Jewish population dropped fro, 180,000 to 60,000 long before any Alleged gassings took place. 120,000 jews emigrated. In Germany a large number emigrated as well. Unfortunate all we got from you was page 470. 5.8 million fewer Jews in Europe. His findings. Other numbers have been presented but his is accurate to 1. You base all on that.

Do you need a lesson in reading comprehension?

Don't answer, it is a rhetorical question.:roll:

The number is not accurate to 1, it merely demonstrates the upper and lower reaches of probability.....it is accurate within the 4.5% range.......