Auschwitz survivors mark camp's liberation
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Colpy-The four four million Murdered at Auschwitz was used at the Nuremberg Trial. You say no one took 4 million murdered at Auschwitz serious.
Where Are The Archeological Digs?
If there really were 4.000,000 Jews gassed at Auschwitz than archeological teams would be swarming all over the place. For the record, the numbers are now down to 135,000 to 140,000...an estimate based on documents held by the International Tracing Service of the Red Cross
Treblinka Was A Train Station
The Treblinka story says 2,000,000 Jews are buried in a pit the size of a football field at that camp, but there hasn't been one archeological dig. A new video documentary shows how a forensic examination of the camp turned up no evidence whatever of an organized 'extermination.'
The Red Cross Visited The Camps Regularly
By the way, the Red Cross kept meticulous records and they indicate the total deaths in all the camps over the course of the war was 272,000, and only 1/3 were Jews...again, this is according to the Red Cross.
June 7, 1979. Pope John Paul II praying for the big "4 million" lie and blessing 2 1/2 million non-existent victims. The Poles bestowed "Holocaust" medals posthumously to non-existent martyrs.
[SIZE=+2]Pope praying before false plaques [/SIZE]
Gerald Ford, the President of the United States, also paid homage to the lie, as have hundreds of Presidents, Prime Ministers and dignitaries from around the world - for years!
LOOKS like 4 million was taken seriously. But One can't take you seriously. You provide lies.
(Sigh)
THINK!!!
First of all, Ford is hardly a historian. Neither was the Pope.
Secondly WHERE ARE THEY????????
In POLAND, communist Poland to be exact.....
What did you expect? Ford to do several months of historical research, then spit in the faces of his Polish hosts by calling them liars????
Grow up.
Find a CREDIBLE source.
Good luck with that.
These camps are all over Europe. There is no good reason to save any of them.
I would strongly disagree.
The Holocaust was not simply an aberation.....if it were, I might see your point. Unfortunately, the Holocaust was simply the climax, the inevitable result of over 1000 years of violent European persecution of Jews.
The camps, or at least the largest of the extermination camps, should be preserved to show the result of hatred, racism, zenophobia and religious extremism.
The Germans bear great responsibility for the Holocaust.
I don't buy the excuse "I didn't know!". Bull****. You somehow missed the posters, the speeches, the disappearing neighbours, the stinking trains passing through, the doctors, teachers, professors suddenly gone, the stores closed, Kristalnacht, the entire thrust of Nazism?
Sorry, I don't buy it.
And a large portion of the German people, if not the majority, supported the Nazis in all their policies.
any people is responsible for those who act in their name, unless they are actively involved in resistence.
That said, other peoples besides the Germans took up the practises of Jew-murder with enthusiasm........those in occupied territories that helped Jews were a tiny minority, the majority of occupied peoples jumped on the "kill Jews" bandwagon with little encouragement......it is a testimony to the worst aspects of human nature, and to how deeply ingrained Jew-hatred was (and is)in European culture.
All enabled, encouraged, and mostly carried out by the Germans.
A German that says "There was nothing I could do, I was afraid" might command respect, but "i didn't know" is Bull****.
Those who didn't know were holding their hands over their eyes.
Dear Tracy,
Once upon a time I believed that Germans and their allies gassed , shot etc. 6 million Jews. My father and my two uncles were (Austrian)German soldiers. They are all dead. One first cousin and I are the only ones still living. I refuse to let the Jews lie. No proof has been provided that the GAS chambers existed. Dachau was reported in the USA media as having Gas chambers that GASSED people. That was admitted to be a lie. Germans were found guilty at Nuremberg of the Katyn murders. The same that judged and sentenced them to death admitted in 1990 that they did it not the Germans. The lies continue. No scientific studies are permitted and the Jews have not undertaken any studies to prove their point. Cole, Leuchter are Jews and stated that there were no GAS chambers. Colpy and other lying fanatics provide no proof they just bad mouth people. Hopefully the Holocaust truth seeking Catholic Bishop will be brought to trial.
Why is investigation a crime? The only reason I can see is that the full extent of this 6 million lie will be evident to the world.
Yesterday, I watched a TV show, featuring Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein (Eckstein means cornerstone). He was begging for money to feed the poor starving, Israelis and money for blankets to keep them warm. Israel gets $10,000,000 daily from the USA. His line was--If you were to young or too ?? to help during the Holocaust when six million were murdered you can help now--BIG business -- BILLIONS have been paid because of a lie. BUT if 6 million were murdered and People were GASSED then Israel, Jews should provide the forensic, scientific facts. Since they have not provided any facts and are doing all they they can to stop investigation, the only conclusion is that the Holocaust as presented is one big $$$ making lie. Colpy has no reply other than bad mouthing me-right Colpy!
Once upon a time I believed that Germans and their allies gassed , shot etc. 6 million Jews. My father and my two uncles were (Austrian)German soldiers. They are all dead. One first cousin and I are the only ones still living. I refuse to let the Jews lie. No proof has been provided that the GAS chambers existed. Dachau was reported in the USA media as having Gas chambers that GASSED people. That was admitted to be a lie. Germans were found guilty at Nuremberg of the Katyn murders. The same that judged and sentenced them to death admitted in 1990 that they did it not the Germans. The lies continue. No scientific studies are permitted and the Jews have not undertaken any studies to prove their point. Cole, Leuchter are Jews and stated that there were no GAS chambers. Colpy and other lying fanatics provide no proof they just bad mouth people. Hopefully the Holocaust truth seeking Catholic Bishop will be brought to trial.
Why is investigation a crime? The only reason I can see is that the full extent of this 6 million lie will be evident to the world.
Yesterday, I watched a TV show, featuring Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein (Eckstein means cornerstone). He was begging for money to feed the poor starving, Israelis and money for blankets to keep them warm. Israel gets $10,000,000 daily from the USA. His line was--If you were to young or too ?? to help during the Holocaust when six million were murdered you can help now--BIG business -- BILLIONS have been paid because of a lie. BUT if 6 million were murdered and People were GASSED then Israel, Jews should provide the forensic, scientific facts. Since they have not provided any facts and are doing all they they can to stop investigation, the only conclusion is that the Holocaust as presented is one big $$$ making lie. Colpy has no reply other than bad mouthing me-right Colpy!
As long as there are nut jobs that say the sun doesn't exist, it helps to have somebody that can point it out in the sky. With all the evidence that exists, there are still complete and utter morons that claim the Holocaust never happened. Keep the camps.
We have provided credible sources. YOU are the one that has not provided any sources.
Your point Colpy was that no one took the 4 million lie seriously. President Ford paid hommage to 4
million and you point is that Ford and the Pope are not historians. Who cares. The point is Colpy that the President and the Pope believed the lie or at least paid hommage to the lie. 4 million was used at the Nuremberg trials. No historians there either. I am grown up, Colpy. I don't need good luck . The facts have been presented. Where are your facts Colpy? Good luck!
Colpy the Germans didn't know because the GASSINGS never happened. Cole was born a Jew. Leuchter was born a Jew. You told us that you are a Baptist. The person that forced the Jewish community to admit that 4 million was a liefrom 1945 to 1989 is in a German prison serving a 5 year sentence for bring the truth to the front. The Red Cross lied. The documentation all lies- soil studies all lies but your ignorant replies are the word of God. Save you Idiot, psst off,etc-Those comments make you look even more uneducated than you are. And really who cares if you are frustrated by not being able to respond itellectually based on factual findings.
Okay, here you go, as I've quoted before, and you have ignored:
Dr. Niall Ferguson is hardly a conventional thinker, nor an sycophant to the conventional wisdom: his contention is that Western Civilization is in steep decline, pushed over the edge by population growth and technology in the third world, and by our own arrogance........he decries the Nuremberg Trials as institutionalized revenge.......
Dr. Ferguson is Professor of History at Harvard University, a Senior Research Fellow of Jesus College, Oxford University, and a Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institution, Sanford University.
That means he holds high standing as an Professor of History at three of the best universities on earth.
That means he is a CREDIBLE source.........
His book is not about the Holocaust, but it does deal with the subject at some length.....here is what it boils down to:
From The War of the World Twentieth Century Conflict and the Descent of the West, by Niall Ferguson, page 470.
Match it....you can't. Because the purveyors of Holocaust denial are little men, liars or idiots all, few with any relevant training or credentials, and those that hold some semblance of a professional link to history (few, so very few of them) are not among the respected of the profession, they simply have a lunatic agenda......
The silence is deafening....
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Cannuck -what evidence do you have that people were GASSED? Provide it! My guess is that
GASSING belivers are the morons not the scientists and researchers that provided forensic proof that gassings did not occur. Tell me again Cannuck how many were gassed at Dachau? Oh It was a lie-A proven lie Gee- but all the rest is true ????
GASSING belivers are the morons not the scientists and researchers that provided forensic proof that gassings did not occur. Tell me again Cannuck how many were gassed at Dachau? Oh It was a lie-A proven lie Gee- but all the rest is true ????
Let the Jews cough up the $130M (on their own) over and above what is donated these days.
I find it rather offensive that any money should be spent that honors a specific people, while ignoring all others, when those same people have committed the very same crimes in an area that was given to them on deals made long before anybody was even in a camp.
Quote: "The most precise figures for the destruction of European Jewry during the Second World War are as follows: total population in 1939 - 9,415,840; lowest estimate of losses - 5,596,029; highest estimate - 5,860,129"
Just imagine this genius gives a numbers down to one person 5,596,029; highest estimate - 5,860,129" but then gives a range of 264,100
Colpy the Genius has solved it all with one little quote from one source
Which has been contradicted by many other sources
Now were people gassed in Gass chambers? Where are these millions of bodies and ashes? They sublimed, right Colpy. Within a few years the 6 million lie will be exposed by little men with little minds who took soil samples and found undisturbed areas where bodies should have been, gas chambers that could not be, and numbers that add up--Difficult to gain sympathy of the world and build a nation on lies and then found out.
You have proven nothing Colpy. You have yourself stated that population numbers are all inaccurate and now all of a sudden this is gospel. The truth will come out
Just imagine this genius gives a numbers down to one person 5,596,029; highest estimate - 5,860,129" but then gives a range of 264,100
Colpy the Genius has solved it all with one little quote from one source
Which has been contradicted by many other sources
Now were people gassed in Gass chambers? Where are these millions of bodies and ashes? They sublimed, right Colpy. Within a few years the 6 million lie will be exposed by little men with little minds who took soil samples and found undisturbed areas where bodies should have been, gas chambers that could not be, and numbers that add up--Difficult to gain sympathy of the world and build a nation on lies and then found out.
You have proven nothing Colpy. You have yourself stated that population numbers are all inaccurate and now all of a sudden this is gospel. The truth will come out
It is a CREDIBLE source, look up the word in the dictionary.
A range of 264,100 on a number of 5,860,129 is a mere 4.5%.....tiny.
Exact numbers are used because they delineate the upper and lower limits that can be derived from the evidence.
It is laughable how you reach............
Gassed in chambers, gassed in trucks, shot, hanged, throats slit, thrown off high briges, burned to death, beaten to death......bodies burned to ashes or buried in mass graves........it all happened, it is all documented, there are eye-witness accounts.....read the damn book.........
Or produce some CREDIBLE evidence to the contrary, some EXPERT opinion, and by that I mean a credentialed, respectable historian, not some frustrated loser of a minor civil servant that spends his evenings in the basement dressed in his black uniform jacking off fantasizing about piles of dead Jews........or so-called "experts" in some unrelated field that have never even been to the camps they claim to have thoroughly investigated........
And, BTW, how do you think Dr. Ferguson gained standing in three of the best universities on earth??????????????
NOT by inventing crap.
NOT by making claims of fact he can't back up.
We'll leave that to your heroes, as described above.
I'm waiting for a CREDIBLE source.
Put up, or shut up...... (little chance of that!!) :roll:
By repeating what he was told to say.
How do you thing some very respected professors lose their tenure these days, by speaking the truth that they can verify through documented sources.
It is just crazy to me that with the millions of pieces of evidence (pictures, eyewitness acounts, documents, etc) people still debate this one. Even the former commandant of Auschwitz admitted what happened there. If I'm not mistaken, he wrote his autobiography while waiting to be hung. You would never get that amount of evidence in a criminal trial nowadays.
Bull****.
One of my best friends is a professor of history, recently retired, awarded the position of professor emeritus at UNB in Saint John........this is a guy that is a SOB, look up curmudgeon in the dictionary, and there is his picture
, he has been a thorn in the side of the administration all of his career.....and he is not one bit unusual for historians. They are the most bloody-minded, independent, stubborn, and their discipline is such that to gain precedence one must shake up the conventional wisdon. Believe me, if there was credible evidence that the Holocaust was a lie, historians would be standing in line for a crack at using that evidence in thesis.........it would make them famous, renowned in their profession.Indeed, my friend is currently tweaking the noses of the ever-sensitive Irish, proving the great linquistic divide between Protestant and Catholic, between the oppressor and the oppressed, simply did not exist......both spoke Irish......
Those profs that lose their tenure do so most often for bleating forth ideas of hatred they CAN'T back up with evidence.........
"Dr. Ferguson is Professor of History at Harvard University, a Senior Research Fellow of Jesus College, Oxford University, and a Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institution, Sanford University.
That means he holds high standing as an Professor of History at three of the best universities on earth.
That means he is a CREDIBLE source........."
No it dosen't mean that he's a credible source, it means that he his representative of a popular brand names in academia. All of which are in crisis initiated by corporate control. It means that he'll support any popularized position of the ruling elite. His affiliations academic godwhacks clearly indicates he's prone to fiction of the simplest kind. So what you point to as being the highest academic standards are in fact just the common commercial standards in use to support the positions deemed acceptable to the ruleing wealth. If you research it a bit you will find out all about the crisis in academia.
You can review several thousand years of evidence that supports every religion there ever was, the holocaust is much the same. Most people faced with execution will say do or write anything. His evidence would not be admissable in a proper court. The victors in any conflict write the history the details are more often than not manufactured to fit the new order.