Parliament prorogued

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For the record though, a dictator would be able to actually rule. Harper can't do a damn thing for the short term because of this suspension of parliament. You're right though Prax, Harper and the Gov. Gen. have effectively taken the country hostage while the Cons go back to the boardroom to discuss strategy. Do any of us want to go through the next two months listening to Harper deflect blame, spew lies and create turmoil across the land? Let's get his ass out of there now. My faith in the Canadian system is slowly fading.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Good day to all,
Harper's days are numbered as well the days of the Cons in general are dwindling.
Harper will pay for his thugury, the coalition is the new brand of politics in Canada thanks to Harpocon……..
Quebec voters have realized today that Harper is a trader…

Harper started the unity bull **** and it will come back to hurt the Cons in Quebec.
The Cons stand for division, thugary, hypocrisy, bigotry, cheating, lying, undemocratic, fascist f pigs, I can’t wait until the end of January to see the cheating Con thugs ousted form the top job… Rats go away you are not good for Canada.
Harper is on record the f hypocrite trying to cut a deal with the block to overthrow Martin…….. Harper will mach Mulruney for the most hated scum bag in Ottawa.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I never said anything about re-electing Harper. If the Liberals were to get their act together and turf Dion the hell out and I would guess they would have a pretty good chance at winning an election.

Durka, you may not have said that, but that is effectively what you are saying. The most likely outcome of another election is conservative minority (especially since they cannot count on even a single seat in Quebec any more). Then what happens, does Harper become the PM again? Suppose other three parties form a coalition again and defeat him, do we have another election in two months? Does that go on until (presumably) Harper gets a majority?

If Harper is defeated and coalition is ready to form a government, the only purpose of holding another election would be to bring back Harper to power again. As I said, we can’t go on doing this exercise again and again.

As it is, Harper called the election for no reason at all, I think he figured he would get a majority. Now if he is defeated, you want another election to put him back in power. We can’t go on having election after election just so Harper can be the PM.
 

Praxius

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Related News:


Liberal leader Stephane Dion answers a reporter's question after Parliament was prorogued on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday.

Only 'monumental changes' will save Harper's government: Dion
Only 'monumental changes' will save Harper's government: Dion

The Liberals are "more committed than ever" to replacing the Tories in government, said Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion on Thursday, after Gov. Gen. Michaëlle Jean granted Prime Minister Stephen Harper's request to suspend Parliament until Jan. 26.

Jean's decision allows Harper and his Conservatives to sidestep a confidence vote scheduled for Monday that would have toppled the minority government. The expected no-confidence vote would have potentially brought a Liberal-NDP coalition — supported by the Bloc Québécois — to power.

"We are more committed than ever [to] the coalition," Dion told reporters in Ottawa Thursday.

"This is about replacing Mr. Harper unless he has made a monumental change from what he has already done. We don't want to see his words, we need to see changes, monumental changes."

Dion said the changes he wishes to see are reflected in the coalition agreement.

The three opposition parties said they would bring down the government because last week's fiscal update delivered by Finance Minister Jim Flaherty did not include an economic stimulus package they said was needed given the country's trying economic times.

Dion said he still has no confidence in Harper's ability to lead Canada through an economic crisis, but "respects" Jean's decision to grant Harper's request.

Harper now faces the "monumental challenge" of co-operating with Parliament and reaching out to the opposition parties, Dion said.

"Despite repeated promises to the contrary, [Harper] has merely paid lip service to the ideals of co-operation and consensus."

Harper now has the opportunity to "follow the example of the coalition" to find common ground to address the trying economic times Canada faces.

Harper uses move to 'escape accountability': Layton

NDP Leader Jack Layton made similar comments, albeit in a harsher tone.

Harper has refused "to face the people of Canada through their elected representatives," Layton told reporters in Ottawa.

"Instead, unfortunately, he's used a manoeuvre to escape accountability. That is an attack on democracy, and we cannot have confidence in someone who could do such a thing," said Layton.

The NDP is prepared to get to work on a budget "right now," said Layton.

Layton said he offered several ideas and specific initiatives during an hour-long meeting with Harper in the leadup to the government's economic update, but that the prime minister rejected them all.

"Not only did he reject them, but he took away my right as a member of Parliament to vote on confidence in the government," said Layton.

"He had his chance, we don't trust him. We will deliver an economic program as soon as we are given an opportunity to do so."

The coalition — which would have a 24-member cabinet composed of six NDP and 18 Liberal MPs — has vowed to make an economic stimulus package a priority, proposing a multibillion-dollar plan that would include help for the auto and forestry sectors.

With 77 Liberal MPs and 37 New Democrats, plus the support of 49 Bloc members, the three parties have more seats than the 143 held by the Tories.

Duceppe accuses Harper of attacking Quebec

"The Conservative leader denigrated the votes of all Quebecers," Bloc Québécois Leader Gilles Duceppe told reporters in Ottawa.

"He has asked his supporters to engage in the worst attacks against Quebecers since Meech Lake."

"He has done this simply to save his own skin."

Following an intensive 1987 bargaining session at Meech Lake, Que., then prime minister Brian Mulroney and the 10 provincial premiers struck a deal to bring Quebec back into the constitutional fold.

The province had refused to sign on to the 1982 Constitution Act brought in by Pierre Trudeau's government.

However, the constitutional amendments packaged in the Meech Lake Accord were never adopted because two provinces — Manitoba and Newfoundland — failed to ratify it by the agreed-upon June 1990 deadline.

Well there you have it..... it's just getting started.

And Harper just opened up some old wounds in the relationship with Quebec and the rest of Canada.... this is just going to get more and more messier before it ever gets better.
 

Socrates the Greek

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I want to see the Cons fry, the unity debate had no business being a -part of this ordeal.... Harper's political life is finished; the cons are going to need a blood transfusion after the dust is settled.
 

Praxius

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Here's a British take on the whole situation:

Canada halts parliament amid row
BBC NEWS | Americas | Canada halts parliament amid row

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper has won a bid to suspend parliament, blocking an opposition attempt to topple his new government.

The governor general agreed to Mr Harper's request, unprecedented in the country, after talks.

If the request had been rejected, he would have had to step down or face a confidence vote he was sure to lose.

Opposition parties had called the vote for Monday, accusing the government of failing to shore up the economy.

Governor General Michaelle Jean agreed to prorogue - or suspend - parliament until 27 January when the government is set to present its budget.

Ms Jean - the representative of head of state Queen Elizabeth - has the right to make a final decision on such matters.

"Today's decision will give us an opportunity - I'm talking about all the parties - to focus on the economy and work together," Mr Harper was quoted as saying by AP news agency after the meeting.

The Conservatives immediately shut down Parliament, ending all debate.

The head of the main Liberal opposition party, Stephane Dion, said he was still committed to bringing down Mr Harper's government.

"This is about replacing Stephen Harper unless he makes a monumental change of what he has done up to now," he said.

"Up to now, we don't believe he will change."

'Uncharted territory'

A prime minister's request to temporarily suspend parliament had never been turned down, but nor had such a request been made when the government was certain to lose a confidence vote.

"There is no precedent whatsoever in Canada and probably in the Commonwealth," constitutional expert Ned Franks told AP news agency. "We are in uncharted territory."

The prime minister's manoeuvre comes at the end of a week of unprecedented political drama, says the BBC's Lee Carter in Toronto.

The constitutional crisis was triggered last week after the Conservatives presented a fiscal update that was angrily rejected by the opposition parties for not including an economic stimulus package and for proposing cuts to the public financing of political parties.

The Liberals and New Democrats signed a deal to defeat Mr Harper in a confidence vote scheduled for Monday and form a coalition government.

Mr Harper's Conservatives won a strengthened minority in the 14 October election but are outnumbered in parliament by the combination of the Liberal Party, the New Democratic Party and the Bloc Quebecois.

Ms Jean cut short a trip to Europe on Wednesday and flew back to Ottawa in an effort to deal with the growing political crisis after the three opposition parties formally advised her of their plan.

Ms Jean's other options were to have called a general election if the confidence vote went ahead and Mr Harper lost, or to have asked the opposition to form a new government.

'Backroom deal'

In a televised appeal on Wednesday, Mr Harper said the opposition pact was a threat to the country's democracy and economy.

"At a time like this, a coalition with separatists cannot help Canada," he said, referring to the Bloc's desire for independence for Quebec.

"Tonight, I pledge to you that Canada's government will use every legal means at our disposal to protect our democracy, to protect our economy and to protect Canada."

Mr Harper called the opposition parties' power-sharing agreement a "backroom deal".

Liberal leader Stephane Dion said the suspension of parliament would only delay the inevitable.

"If Mr Harper wants to suspend parliament he must face a vote of confidence," Mr Dion said in a televised address of his own on Wednesday.

"The Harper Conservatives have lost the confidence of the majority of members of the House of Commons. In our democracy, in our parliamentary system, in our constitution this means that they have lost the right to govern," he added.

So even British Constitutional Experts are saying we're all in uncharted territory with this situation.

Wonderful.... even the Brits don't know what should be done in this situation as it's never occured in the Commonwealth before.

Leave it to Canada to find a way to screw it all up :roll:
 

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JLM, there is no contradiction between somebody looking composed, articulate and also launching into a most vicious, most virulent campaign against his opponents. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Explain his ideas? What ideas? All he said was that he will bring forth the budget in January. As to consulting the opposition, if he does the same amount of consulting as he did when he put together the financial statement, I don’t see any hope.
That's easy, Sir Rupe- his idea about taxpayers should not be subsidizing political parties - his proposal gave the Conservative party the biggest hit. He pointed out that he gave the opposition their way on the matter within two days (which I was p.o.ed with him for) which is true. He explained that it would be impossible to come up with a proper budget for an economic proposal in the few days that the Coalition is proposing. I guess the other thing he was unpopular over if the freezing the right for Public employees to go on strike. That one is just common sense- to go on strike during a recession is ridiculous- especially when it is the public and taxpayer who suffers from it. He also explained it quite well why the Bloc shouldn't be forming part of the Coalition. Of course there is a chance that I could be wrong, but there's a chance you could be too. All I've got to go by is what I see- a composed, methodical person who made sense to me compared with the raving, incoherent, lunatic I saw the other day. But hey it's not worth drawing swords over.
 

Ron in Regina

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Here's a British take on the whole situation:

Canada halts parliament amid row
BBC NEWS | Americas | Canada halts parliament amid row



So even British Constitutional Experts are saying we're all in uncharted territory with this situation.

Wonderful.... even the Brits don't know what should be done in this situation as it's never occured in the Commonwealth before.

Leave it to Canada to find a way to screw it all up :roll:

Prax....It's always interesting to get a viewpoint from the outside looking in. One of those
"seeing the forest, and not just being surrounded by the tree's." I tried the same thing
yesterday by posting the American take with a story & video off CNN... 8O
 

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I support the Conservatives.

I think a coalition with the support of the Bloc Quebecois separatists, launched for no particular reason, is completely outrageous......political opportunism and meglomania, flavoured with just a pinch of sedition.

I think that Harper's update was reasonable.....cautious, prudent, exactly what we elected him for.....we certainly didn't elect the gov't to start shoveling tens of billions of our dollars out the window because they are panic-stricken or to pay off their Separatist buddies.

All that said, I agree Parliament should not have been suspended. It makes precedent of the GG being completely the tool of the PM, which is incorrect.....she should have refused his request, waited for the gov't to fall, then approved dissolution and a new election, IMHO.

I don't like the suspension of Parliament on the whim of the PM.
 

Kreskin

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I'd like to know what backroom promises were made to the separatists. Will Dion and Layton come clean on the shady deal making?
 

JLM

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I support the Conservatives.

I think a coalition with the support of the Bloc Quebecois separatists, launched for no particular reason, is completely outrageous......political opportunism and meglomania, flavoured with just a pinch of sedition.

I think that Harper's update was reasonable.....cautious, prudent, exactly what we elected him for.....we certainly didn't elect the gov't to start shoveling tens of billions of our dollars out the window because they are panic-stricken or to pay off their Separatist buddies.

All that said, I agree Parliament should not have been suspended. It makes precedent of the GG being completely the tool of the PM, which is incorrect.....she should have refused his request, waited for the gov't to fall, then approved dissolution and a new election, IMHO.

I don't like the suspension of Parliament on the whim of the PM.

I'm not sure that "whim" is the right word- I'd be more inclined to describe it a case of "needs must when the Devil drives"- (Shakespeare).
 

SirJosephPorter

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All I've got to go by is what I see- a composed, methodical person who made sense to me compared with the raving, incoherent, lunatic I saw the other day.

Sorry, JLM, even a psychotic can appear composed and methodical. Fidel’s’ record is against his reaching out to the opposition, against compromising with them. But we will see, there are still two months.