Since this worked so well, I think us Canadians should band together and suggest the GG prorogue income and property taxes for a couple years, until we know what the HELL is going to be done with our money- you know, just to be on the safe side
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I like that Idea! It's one I think we could all get behind!!! "Vote for Mabudon!" T-Shirt.
I think you're sadly, and grossly, mistaken.
By tradition, the GG follows the 'advice' of the PM to prorogue Parliament. To do otherwise would be to interfere in the active political process, which the GG is absolutely not supposed to do.
Also, for you to suggest that somehow the GG came to this decision by herself, based on her personal beliefs or history, is ridiculous. Do you not think that there was a host of constitutional and parliamentary experts who considered every possible factor?
scratch,
Personally I am happy that in the eyes of the world we seem peaceful and extremely well run.
World opinion dictates our banking system is the best in the world.
Western leaders agree our country is a guiding light of democracy and astute management.
World opinion dictates that apart from the hit we will take as a major commodity supplier we should stand tall in the coming recession.
Not great, but better than almost all others.
I am happy that a short sighted socialist party has not plunged our country into debt beyond description.
I count my lucky stars that a Government partially consisting of a separatist movement has not driven the ship of state onto the reef's of separatism.
I believe that Canada's usually quiet and peaceful state indicates a usually harmonious and peaceful country.
I believe that Canada may once again be able to slip into a serene and blissful existence , assuming the pestilential coalition fizzles and self destructs in its own little pool of venom and spite.
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Troll.
Trex.
Do I like the feeling? Yes, I like the feeling that we have a system, with rules, that people follow and respect.
Since I don't know who PO & Co is, I can't answer that question.
No I'm not wrong. The Governor General is suppose to hear the advisement of the acting Prime Minister but ultimately acts to uphold Parlimentary Law as the final check and balance in the prevention of any abuse of power.
I actually rememeber it well from a class in Law. This is also not a new situation and a Governor General in the past did serve to uphold the same Parlimentary Law given a similar situation.
What has happened with this Governor General is a huge setback for our democracy and the legitimacy of the value of our vote by representation in the house.
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The King-Bing-Thing has already been covered to death by other posts.
It's a rotten precedent and ultimately went to the polls as a general election anyway.
The WW1 coalition is a better precedent.
It was however a national emergency
Ultimately precedence and Canadian constitutional history favors doing exactly what the GG did.
She has excellent Constitutional advisors and is no fan of the Conservatives.
If you studied law then check out precedent.
She followed what there was.
It becomes very defensible case history.
Trex
"When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid assent is frankly when it's rapidly losing its moral authority to govern."
-Stephen Harper, 2005
You can't honestly tell me that the Governor General got adequate advice because we all do not know what she heard, understood, or was told.
Do not try to convince me that you were some fly on the wall. I have no idea what went on during those two hours Harper was with her. I didn't even hear that the opposition members were given an opportunity to speak with her either as to the case of the coalition.
I do however have enough integrity on here not to make speculation as to what prompted her decision, and I do have enough sense as to be able to explain the ramifications of this new precedence which even the British are reporting that Canada has gone into uncharted territory. The British who our Parliamentary System of governance is based on.
You can not also convince me that preventing my representation from having a legitimate voice in the house via the results of a fair election is a move towards strengthening democracy just as much as I could convince you that your vote has no validity.
When we hear of situations of a leader that shuts down parliament in an attempt to prevents the majority of elected opposition from voting on matters of confidence, we tend to think of petty dictators. Unfortunately the person who is cowardly preventing a vote of confidence on legislation that he himself has put forth happens to be our Prime Minister, Steven Harper.
Do not try to convince me that you were some fly on the wall. I have no idea what went on during those two hours Harper was with her. I didn't even hear that the opposition members were given an opportunity to speak with her either as to the case of the coalition.
I do however have enough integrity on here not to make speculation as to what prompted her decision, and I do have enough sense as to be able to explain the ramifications of this new precedence which even the British are reporting that Canada has gone into uncharted territory. The British who our Parliamentary System of governance is based on.
You can not also convince me that preventing my representation from having a legitimate voice in the house via the results of a fair election is a move towards strengthening democracy just as much as I could convince you that your vote has no validity.
When we hear of situations of a leader that shuts down parliament in an attempt to prevents the majority of elected opposition from voting on matters of confidence, we tend to think of petty dictators. Unfortunately the person who is cowardly preventing a vote of confidence on legislation that he himself has put forth happens to be our Prime Minister, Steven Harper.
According to CBC and Global, the whimp dion was in communication with the GG.
Your statement carefully omits what I'm implying in that the opposition was not able to meet with the Governor General. I'm sure a lot of people tried to hold some form of communication with the GG but it appears only Harper was allowed to present his case personally to her before she gave her decision. A decision which has set back this democracy and shut out my voice, my representation outside the doors of parliament in what was suppose to be a minority government held in check by an opposition which make up the majority of elected representation by way of an election. A fair election.
The real issue anyway, is that the meetings should not have mattered with regards to a decision by the Governor General that should have been based on upholding the rule of parliamentary law. Not a decision based on the wishes of a Prime Minister trying to hold onto his grip on power by preventing a vote of confidence in the house when he knows the result won't be favourable to him. A vote on legislation that he himself put forth and made into an issue of confidence.
If he was willing originally to put forth a measure, a vote of confidence that could have resulted in the defeat of his government, why the sudden change to then run and hide from the very same decision?
So basically he shut down the democratic process because instead of the result he was expecting, that being another election or to bankrupt his political opponents, he instead got a united opposition willing to democratically stand up against him.
So was the country in a state of emergency that it would be unable to face a vote in the House, or was Harper in a state of emergency unable to face a vote in the house on legislation that he himself put forth as a confidence measure?
Harper has taken my voice out of government. My voice that our prior election would of had me believed was mine to have in our democracy.
Dion will go, but most importantly for the sake of our democracy, so should Steven Harper.
Well obviously the GG didn't think the communique from the three stooges was worth the paper it was written on.....
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Harper should rely preface everything he says with "please don't quote me on that" as he has bit so many times on the butt with his own statements, you've think there were a pack of rabid dogs at the "National Post.... oops I meant The Conservative Party Headquarters
Steven Harper disagrees with himself in 2006. You can watch and listen to him explaining how a government can't simply think it can dissolve parliament if it loses confidence. That other options with the other parties are acceptable to having another election. That dissolving parliament as an option to a loss in confidence in the house is not how our Parliament System works. His own words.
Harper has lost the confidence of the house because he can not be trusted. He is a liar, and a hypocrite and you can't count on what he says to what his actions are or might turn out to be for this country. When a person will go to certain undemocratic lengths to hold onto power, to go against the conventions of our Parliamentary Laws, to suspend the voice of dissent of the duly elected opposition to his own confidence motions, then it is time to remove that person from office for the sake of our country's democracy.
YouTube - Stephen Hypocrite
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Harper has lost the confidence of the house because he can not be trusted. He is a liar, and a hypocrite and you can't count on what he says to what his actions are or might turn out to be for this country. When a person will go to certain undemocratic lengths to hold onto power, to go against the conventions of our Parliamentary Laws, to suspend the voice of dissent of the duly elected opposition to his own confidence motions, then it is time to remove that person from office for the sake of our country's democracy.
YouTube - Stephen Hypocrite
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