Funny thing was that I just thought we had a break.... we got back into an active government, only to have it fall apart within days.... .now we're back into another break?
Give me a Break. ;-)
Parliament prorogued
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Funny thing was that I just thought we had a break.... we got back into an active government, only to have it fall apart within days.... .now we're back into another break?
Give me a Break. ;-)
Every legal means, hell define "Legal" as it pertains to the Conservatives
Seriously, if Harper gets enough people frothing at the mouth about the "danger" our country is in he could pull out the damn War Measures act just like the last time time the separatists got uppity
He obviously has no problems suspending democratic process as it stands
Exactly... Democracy Delayed is Democracy Denied.
Main 3? By Seats that would be the Conservatives & Liberals & the Bloc...That would
leave the NDP as the wallflower at the dance? Which three are the main 3?
We didn't have this madness preceding the last break of government.
All sides need to take a step back and try to work together on this, if not, we should head back to the polls.
I said National. That would exclude the bloc.
We need consensus among the parties that represent all of Canada.
It was definitely the wrong decision. By proroguing the Parliament, GG has clearly taken sides in the debate, she has sided with Harper, she has helped him dodge the bullet by at least tow months (incidentally does he have to come back at end of January, or can he prolong it? I assume he will prolong it as long as he can).
Now for at least two months we don’t’ have a democracy, we have a dictator, a dictator who doesn’t have support of the Parliament.
So what can we look forward to now? Conservatives will unleash the dirtiest, most vicious, most virulent campaign we have ever seen, to trash the three opposition parties. The budget will very likely be defeated, because of course it will contain all the goodies conservatives want, none that opposition wants. It will be a highly partisan budget in true Harper style, comparable to the financial statement.
But whereas Harper was able to dodge the bullet now, he won’t be able to dodge the bullet when he brings the budget (supposedly by end of January, but I have my doubts about that).
Anyway, now we can look forward to a political campaign for the next two months, where smearing, character assassination, innuendos and outright lies on the part of Conservatives will be the order of the day. I assume they hope to bully the opposition into voting for their Messiah.
Well, time will tell if their strategy succeeds. But for now, for the first time in history of Canada, we have a dictatorship, a dictator who does not enjoy the support of the Parliament. Truly a black day for Canada.
Incidentally, I just thought of a new nick name for Harper. From now on, I will be referring to him as Fidel Harper.
Now for at least two months we don’t’ have a democracy, we have a dictator, a dictator who doesn’t have support of the Parliament.
So what can we look forward to now? Conservatives will unleash the dirtiest, most vicious, most virulent campaign we have ever seen, to trash the three opposition parties. The budget will very likely be defeated, because of course it will contain all the goodies conservatives want, none that opposition wants. It will be a highly partisan budget in true Harper style, comparable to the financial statement.
But whereas Harper was able to dodge the bullet now, he won’t be able to dodge the bullet when he brings the budget (supposedly by end of January, but I have my doubts about that).
Anyway, now we can look forward to a political campaign for the next two months, where smearing, character assassination, innuendos and outright lies on the part of Conservatives will be the order of the day. I assume they hope to bully the opposition into voting for their Messiah.
Well, time will tell if their strategy succeeds. But for now, for the first time in history of Canada, we have a dictatorship, a dictator who does not enjoy the support of the Parliament. Truly a black day for Canada.
Incidentally, I just thought of a new nick name for Harper. From now on, I will be referring to him as Fidel Harper.
Sorry, Durka, with Fidel in power, no consensus is possible. It is Fidel’s way or the highway.
Which I also completely agree with.
Although an election would waste more time and more money, it was still better then delaying the government some more.... but still not any better then allowing the Coalition to take place.
This solves nothing, does nothing and the situation everybody wants to have resolved will just keep getting worse.
And there won't be any changes in the end.... we'll just have another month of more Conservative Propaganda..... and now they'll use this decision to somehow make everyone think that they're right and somehow justified in what they just did.
Where the hell did this Republican party come from again?
It might be a pipe dream but I prefer that then to just handing over power to a coalition which has offered only vague ideas as to there economic plan.
It is not in Fidel’s nature to work together with opposition parties. I don’t see him reaching out to anybody except to his political advisors on how to launch a smear campaign for the next two months.
It ain’t happening. Fidel’s only hope is that his smear campaign, dirty campaign works and he can bully the opposition into voting for him. Failing that, my hope would be that GG gives the opposition an opportunity to form a government.
These politicians all operate at the same basic level, there isn't a single one of them with a shred of dignity or respect, except maybe duceppe who is doing what he does to further the interests of Quebec.
I don't know what was said during their meeting but I'm sure Harper continued with his campaign of lies... I guess her Excellency fell for it.
This doesn't change anything however. The House will not have more confidence in Harper and the Conservatives when parliament re-opens.
All this means is that Harper is stalling the progress of the country, playing a dangerous game with the economy, and wasting valuable time we don't have.
What a selfish , shameless bastard!
If he was as good a leader as you rightists say he is, he would have already accepted defeat and allowed MPs to work NOW on the economy.
Quite frankly, he's deliberately sinking the economic ship and he will try to blame it on the coalition. We cannot afford to have this madman playing games with our jobs and well-being.
This doesn't change anything however. The House will not have more confidence in Harper and the Conservatives when parliament re-opens.
All this means is that Harper is stalling the progress of the country, playing a dangerous game with the economy, and wasting valuable time we don't have.
What a selfish , shameless bastard!
If he was as good a leader as you rightists say he is, he would have already accepted defeat and allowed MPs to work NOW on the economy.
Quite frankly, he's deliberately sinking the economic ship and he will try to blame it on the coalition. We cannot afford to have this madman playing games with our jobs and well-being.
The only one that needed to know about those plans right now was Michaëlle Jean. She didn't even take their proposal into consideration, or she would have met with the leaders and heard what they had to offer...
You know, if your going to exclude Quebecs elected representatives because you don't like them, then they have every right to seperate.
There are other issues than Seperation the bloc stands for, like women's rights. One of the key reasons they opposed the conservatives was the conservatives assaults on Pay Equity.
Im against seperation, and as such I won't vote for it. But if we are going to deny their votes if they don't vote for who we want, then I may change my stance and support their seperation.
They deserve representation like everyone else.
There are other issues than Seperation the bloc stands for, like women's rights. One of the key reasons they opposed the conservatives was the conservatives assaults on Pay Equity.
Im against seperation, and as such I won't vote for it. But if we are going to deny their votes if they don't vote for who we want, then I may change my stance and support their seperation.
They deserve representation like everyone else.
National means the country as a whole, the Bloc isn't the sole representative of Quebec like Harper doesn't speak for all Canadians.
Explain how Bob Rae can say he will vote against the budget, even though he doesn't have a clue what will be in it. All he is interested in is grabbing power.
...and all Harper's interested in is hanging onto his last thread of power at the expense of the nation...
Harper's history Risus...get a new hero...
Good decision by G.G. - When solving problems you can't generally go wrong with trying the simplest cheapest solution first. The last thing we need is somejerk reaction like spending $300 million - Harper should at least be given the opportunity to lay out a budget (you don't do that in a week) and then if it's no good then there is still the opportunity to give the Stooges their kick at the can.
"Explain how Bob Rae can say he will vote against the budget, even though he doesn't have a clue what will be in it. All he is interested in is grabbing power."- Exactly. Of course Bob Rae doesn't have a history of being an astute money handler.