Goodbye Conservatives and Hello Coalition, it's about time

Dixie Cup

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I agree with limiting raises for civil servants but stopping public grants for political parties clearly indicates that Harper is trying to eliminate his opponents.

We all know that if public grants stop, the NDP, Liberals and the Bloc will go bankrupt. The conservatives accept funding from the private sector (rich businessmen and corporations) which goes agaisnt what Canadians believe. The goal in having public funded parties is to eliminate the grasp that the rich and corporations have on Canadian politics. If we didn't have the federal grants for parties, Canada would be like the US and that's something Canadians don't want.

Harper knows damn well that his party would be the only survivor and this goes to show Harper's hidden extreme right-wing agenda. He wants all the power for himself... This is dangerous and undemocratic.


FYI Adriatik:

As of January 1, 2007, new rules for political contributions under the Canada Elections Act come into force:

  • You can make a political donation to registered political entities only if you are a citizen or permanent resident of Canada.
  • You can give no more than $1,100* in each calendar year to each registered political party.
  • You can give no more than $1,100* in total in any calendar year to the various entities of each registered political party (registered associations, nomination contestants and candidates).
  • You can give no more than $1,100* to each independent candidate for a particular election.
  • You can give no more than $1,100* in total to the leadership contestants in a particular leadership contest.
  • You can no longer make a cash contribution of more than $20 to registered political entities.
  • You cannot make a political contribution with money, property or services that were given to you for that purpose.
  • Corporations, trade unions, associations and groups can no longer make political contributions. However, your employer can give you a paid leave of absence during an election period to allow you to be a nomination contestant or a candidate without that leave being considered a contribution.
  • If you are running as a nomination contestant or a candidate, you can make an additional contribution up to $1,000 in total per election from your own funds to your own campaign. You can divide this amount between your nomination and candidate campaigns as you wish.
  • If you are running as a party leadership contestant, you can make an additional contribution of up to $1,000 in total per contest from your own funds to your own campaign.
Just thought you should know....
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
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Harpo tried this very thing to get rid of Paul Martin in 2004.

Turnabout is not fair play, according to Harpo

8O

Coalition building is a true and tried part, an integral part of the democratic process. Those who are howling in rage against it are doing so just because this time it may work against the Conservative party.

It is just that in Canada, we are not used to coalition, here a minority government is the norm, rather than a coalition government. However, coalition government is as much part of the democratic process as a minority government.
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
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lol I just noticed your sig, Sir Joe. I disagree with Salvor Hardin. I think it is more realistic to say that violence is the FIRST refuge of the incompetent.

(Please excuse my interjection, folks)

I assume you know who Salvor Hardin is, Gilbert. He is a character in Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy, first volume (I am a great Asimov fan, I think I have read just abut every sci fi book by him). So it is really Asimov’s saying. I suppose he said that because in the story involving Hardin, the Regent of Anacreon tries every other means to defeat the Foundation before resorting to violence (he still doesn’t succeed, of course).
 

damngrumpy

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Mar 16, 2005
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People keep saying there will be another election, there won't the constitution states the opposition can for a government and who put the current govenor general into office, the Liberals. Goodbye Harper and the whining western reformers who hijacked the Tory party in the first place. It looks good on them.
I am from the west but I can't stand the western whining, GET RID of the Tories now they are like the locust, and need to be ousted
 

Adriatik

Electoral Member
Oct 31, 2008
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People keep saying there will be another election, there won't the constitution states the opposition can for a government and who put the current govenor general into office, the Liberals. Goodbye Harper and the whining western reformers who hijacked the Tory party in the first place. It looks good on them.
I am from the west but I can't stand the western whining, GET RID of the Tories now they are like the locust, and need to be ousted


I agree...

It's time for those in the west who are whining to face the facts. Their voice is toast!
 

Nikki

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The only part of your post i disagree with is this part...

I have read countless posts on CBC from whining right-wing Western Canadians and all I can do is laugh.

I am a western canadian, a calgarian at that, and I am nor right winged or Whinny.... :angry3:
 

Adriatik

Electoral Member
Oct 31, 2008
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I watched the phony speech Harper made tonight. He didn't even apologize to Canadians for his inability to work with the opposition and on the economy, as well as his pushing forward of partisan bills. He has no shame and integrity

He's still lying to Canadians and using scare tactics on them like Bush did during his 2 terms...

Quebec is not going to separate and the Bloc will not break up the country. It would already have happened after 2 referendums if Quebecers were that passionate about it.

Harper has lost his mind and is trying to divide the country. He is playing a dangerous game. We have been fine on the national unity question since 2000 but this madman has just ruined everything with his lies and games.

Harper needs to go, END OF STORY!
 

Adriatik

Electoral Member
Oct 31, 2008
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The only part of your post i disagree with is this part...



I am a western canadian, a calgarian at that, and I am nor right winged or Whinny.... :angry3:


I did not say all Western Canadians... I said that those who were whining on CBC's forum and happened to be right-wing made me laugh.
 

Colpy

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FYI Adriatik:

As of January 1, 2007, new rules for political contributions under the Canada Elections Act come into force:

  • You can make a political donation to registered political entities only if you are a citizen or permanent resident of Canada.
  • You can give no more than $1,100* in each calendar year to each registered political party.
  • You can give no more than $1,100* in total in any calendar year to the various entities of each registered political party (registered associations, nomination contestants and candidates).
  • You can give no more than $1,100* to each independent candidate for a particular election.
  • You can give no more than $1,100* in total to the leadership contestants in a particular leadership contest.
  • You can no longer make a cash contribution of more than $20 to registered political entities.
  • You cannot make a political contribution with money, property or services that were given to you for that purpose.
  • Corporations, trade unions, associations and groups can no longer make political contributions. However, your employer can give you a paid leave of absence during an election period to allow you to be a nomination contestant or a candidate without that leave being considered a contribution.
  • If you are running as a nomination contestant or a candidate, you can make an additional contribution up to $1,000 in total per election from your own funds to your own campaign. You can divide this amount between your nomination and candidate campaigns as you wish.
  • If you are running as a party leadership contestant, you can make an additional contribution of up to $1,000 in total per contest from your own funds to your own campaign.
Just thought you should know....

Yeah....you don't really expect that any supporter of the NDP/Liberal/Bloc to know anything, did you?

The Conservatives depend on big corporate donations.

The separatists are no threat to Canada.

A 300 million dollar election is too expensive, but 30 billion for "stimulus" is needed.


Harper is Bush.

Bush is Satan.

The USA is Satan's realm.

Making the guy Canadians overwhelmingly rejected at the polls PM is democracy.

My question to these folks is simple: Exactly how much dope do you have to smoke to reach this level of self-delusion?
 
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darkbeaver

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Y'know ... I really do not like being talked down to like I'm some sort of stupid kid in the clipped tones that arrogant needle-nosed prick spoke on the TV news. He deserves to be smacked....

My staff failed to wake me from my afterdinny cigar and nap. I see you didn't enjoy it, I'm glad I missed the arrogant needle nosed spooky prick.
 

darkbeaver

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Yeah....you don't really expect that any supporter of the NDP/Liberal/Bloc to know anything, did you?

The Conservatives depend on big corporate donations.

The separatists are no threat to Canada.

A 300 million dollar election is too expensive, but 30 billion for "stimulus" is needed.


Harper is Bush.

Bush is Satan.

The USA is Satan's realm.

Making the guy Canadians overwhelmingly rejected at the polls PM is democracy.

My question to these folks is simple: Exactly how much dope do you have to smoke to reach this level of self-delusion?

OHOH pick me I can answer the question. I can never smoke enough dope (whatever that is) to even approach your level of clinical delusion. You are a natural Colpy.
 

Colpy

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OHOH pick me I can answer the question. I can never smoke enough dope (whatever that is) to even approach your level of clinical delusion. You are a natural Colpy.

Now that's funny. :)

I'm sure you could smoke enough dope for just about any level of delusion......
 

Adriatik

Electoral Member
Oct 31, 2008
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Yeah....you don't really expect that any supporter of the NDP/Liberal/Bloc to know anything, did you?

The Conservatives depend on big corporate donations.

The separatists are no threat to Canada.

A 300 million dollar election is too expensive, but 30 billion for "stimulus" is needed.


Harper is Bush.

Bush is Satan.

The USA is Satan's realm.

Making the guy Canadians overwhelmingly rejected at the polls PM is democracy.

My question to these folks is simple: Exactly how much dope do you have to smoke to reach this level of self-delusion?


For crying out loud, Is dividing the country needed right now? Is losing the confidence of the House needed right now? How about using fear and lies to cheat, does Canada need this?? Dion as PM would only be temporary. If it takes Harper out of power, I'm all for it.. Whatever you say, rinse the soap out since you have been brainwashed..

And no there's no dope making me delusional if that had anything to do with what we were talking about.
 

Colpy

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For crying out loud, Is dividing the country needed right now? Is losing the confidence of the House needed right now? How about using fear and lies to cheat, does Canada need this?? Dion as PM would only be temporary. If it takes Harper out of power, I'm all for it.. Whatever you say, rinse the soap out since you have been brainwashed..

And no there's no dope making me delusional if that had anything to do with what we were talking about.

No, dividing the country is not needed now, nor is losing the confidence of the House. That is why this move by the Opposition is so clearly unnecessary......

Take a deep breath and look at the update. First of all, keep in mind it was a simple update........not a budget, which would be due in February. An update......

Now, what was so offensive in the update? As I see it, only one thing was offensive......removal of the right to strike is always offensive.......Otherwise?

Well, he didn't head immediately for deficit........as I remember, deficit spending was an issue in the campaign, which the CPC won by promising not to run one....as did Dion and Layton. Remember, our economy grew last quarter, our unemployment rate is low.........

But, Harper did not ignore the fact that there is a world-wide economic downturn. He doubled infrastructure spending, he moved to garauntee mortgages and pensions, and to lower interest rates. And he warned that further spending might be necessary, taking us to a small deficit, which might appear in the budget.

He was waiting for the new President in the USA to take office.......stimulus needs to be handled in concert with the Yanks in our integrated society.....especially in the auto sector.

All this is good. Prudent. Cautious. Good Government.

Don't kid yourself. The reason the poop hit the impeller is simple: All three opposition parties were outraged that Harper would end all subsidies to parties. They ignored the fact that the largest subsidy cut went to......the Conservative Party. This Act cost the Conservatives more money than anyone else.....and pulling the Political Parties....all of them....off the public teat was the right thing to do, even if done for the wrong reason.

So, if you don't like it, write the NDP a cheque.....I'm writing one for the Conservatives.

As far as I'm concerned, Dion, and Layton have lost their minds.......