Youths attack and beat teenager until senseless
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Even if I were to ignore the documented violence that predates the immigration caused by the rise of the Nazi's. That is no excuse for the violence.
There are better ways.
The Hezbollah are not "Freedom Fighters" as you continue to assert, they are Iranian supported terrorists, full stop. Palestinian youth attacking Israeli's, have no more right to do so, than Israeli youth doing the reverse.
Any call to look at 'context' as you call it, is a prelude to moral relativism, if not outright moral bankruptcy.
You should try and keep up - the chicken and the egg- OMG-what an example- it contradicts what you then run on about.
Next – that so called problem has been solved for quite some time. Read Para 2 – easier.
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1 This implies that the egg existed long before the chicken, but that the chicken egg did not exist until an arbitrary threshold was crossed that differentiates a modern chicken from its ancestors. Since this arbitrary distinction cannot be made until after the egg has hatched, one would have to first find the original chicken, then from this find the first egg it laid.
2 A simple view is that at whatever point the threshold was crossed and the first chicken was hatched, it had to hatch from an egg. The type of bird that laid that egg, by definition, was on the other side of the threshold and therefore not technically a chicken -- it may be viewed as a proto-chicken or ancestral chicken of some sort, from which a genetic variation or mutation occurred that thus resulted in the egg being laid containing the embryo of the first chicken. In this light, de facto, the argument is settled and the egg had to have come first.
That's not a problem to a geneticist or an evolutionist.
roflmao Yeah the Lebanese, Egyptians, Syrians, etc. all got along like lovebirds before the Israelis arrived.
Eggs definatly came first. Since the typical question does not specify the type of the egg, it is well known that dinasour eggs (and I am sure others) existed well before the existance of the first chicken (however it came to be).
Which makes me think that sometime between the dinos,and the modern birds,maybe there was a genetic mutation.
we never everything is possible.
I disagree with you LG. The Palestine province of the Ottoman empire was more or less peaceful for 402 years while it was ruled by the Ottomans (1516 - 1918). The area was a Muslim majority where Jews were treated the same as other infidels (ie Christians). But as long as Ottoman citizens paid their taxes, they had religious freedom and access to the Ottoman criminal justice system... which officially did not discriminate along religious lines. Jews were always an integral part of the Ottoman empire. Many Jews have held powerful positions in the Ottoman government.
Egyptians invaded in 1832 (after 316 years of peace), but were tossed out in 1840 by a treaty land swap which gave the region back to the Ottomans. The area was peaceful again until WWI when it was invaded by the Brits in 1917 (after 85 years of peace). At the end of WW I, Palestine experienced about a year of military campaigns and battles between the Brits and the Ottomans. Palestinians fought on both sides.
Very soon after this region became controlled by the British (eventually becoming a British protectorate), tension escalated between the indigenous people and successive waves of Zionist Jews who claimed that God gave Palestine to them.
The 1920 Arab revolt (more like a riot) which killed 5 Jews and 4 Arabs injuring about 250 (mostly Jews) started as a result of a rumor that Zionist Jews intended to cleanse the holy lands of non-Jews and establish a homeland for Jews only. An angry Arab mob attacked mostly Palestinian Jews who had little to nothing to do with the Zionist movement. This was probably the first skirmish in what would eventually become an ethnic cleansing war.
After the 1920 revolt, Palestine became tense with simmering hostility between the indigenous people and the Zionist immigrants. But Palestine remained more or less peaceful for 9 years.
In 1929, a riot exploded in Palestine which resulted in about 250 deaths and over 400 injured (about even number of Jewish and Arab casualties). The 1929 riot ignited when Arabs protested Jewish attempts to turn the West Wall of the Al Aqsa into a Jewish only religious area in what they believed was a first step to turn the Al Aqsa Mosque into a Jewish Synagogue. (In 1967 after the Zionists conquered Jerusalem, one of their first acts was to demolish the Arab neighborhood next to the wall along with a historically significant Mosque and a Muslim school) I believe Israel has since made this area off limits to Arabs and its now a place of Jewish worship.
The 1936-1939 revolt was a direct result of Palestinian push for independence and an attempt to end to mass Zionist immigration, which Palestinian Arabs feared would result in the creation of a Jewish only state where they would become second class citizens subservient to the Zionists. British and Zionist military forces killed about 5000 Arabs, while injuring about 15,000. Jews and Brits suffered about 500 deaths. Today this region is a Jewish State, where Arabs are second class citizens subservient to the Zionists.
In 1947, Zionists started an ethnic cleansing war during which some of the more extreme Zionists terrorist organizations (The Stern Gang and Hagana) carried out a string of atrocities. Even moderate Zionists were shocked by the excesses of these Zionist extremist organizations who committed acts of terror, rape and torture. They attacked dozens of Arab villages, showing no mercy and taking no prisoners. They would murder every Arab man, woman and child... even babies).
Since 1947, Arab Palestinians have been attacked repeatedly by Zionists and pushed into ever smaller enclaves. Many Palestinian villages today resemble prisons surrounded by walls, razor wire and guard towers. The people inside these prisons have no recognized rights or freedoms. They are murdered with impunity on a regular basis by Zionist extremists, police and soldiers.
Today Palestinians suffer discrimination, oppression and injustice in every part of their life. No doubt some of them are bitter. Many have resorted to violence. However on the plus side, Palestinians have a growing non-violent resistance movement. Every week Palestinians, along with international volunteers (including many Jews and Israelis) protest the inhumane conditions suffered by Palestinians.
If you like I can post links backing this summary of Palestinian history and the cause of the current conflict. I don't think the reason for the hostility is murky. While religion plays a role in this conflict, IMO, it really wouldn't matter if Muslims, Christians or aliens from outerspace immigrated to this region and tried to remove the locals. The locals would be just as hostile to anyone who did these things to them..
Would you like me to post a link to the definition of the moving goalposts fallacy?
Here's your original claim...
Now you moved it back even further, after realizing your error. While peppering your post with a litany of proven propaganda, meant only to demonize Israel.
Interesting.
Here's your original claim...
Now you moved it back even further, after realizing your error. While peppering your post with a litany of proven propaganda, meant only to demonize Israel.
Interesting.
Yeah, like I said, they all got along like lovebirds.
So it isn't a racial thing. That's what I said in the first place after you said it was.
Europe was very anti-Semitic even before the Nazis.became a force. European antisemitism in the 1800's is directly related to the foundation of Zionism. I was trying to be complete.
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But the Zionist project would not have evolved the way it did, without the rise of the Nazis and their antisemitic atrocities.
Blah, blah, blah.
You messed up and shifted the goal posts to avoid conceding.
I'm not surprised, not one of your posts today has contained a shred of honesty. I wouldn't think you would start now.
Nonsense. Are you saying that, given a one state solution, Arab Palestinians would be willing to live as dhimmi's, in a Jewish state, in exchange for peace?
Jews were treated the same as other infidels in the Ottoman empire, that's true....very poorly. If you need a modern day example, just look to how the Copts are being treated in Egypt.
“…the position of the Jews was in many ways precarious. Like their Christian fellow subjects, the Jews were inferior citizens in the Muslim-Ottoman state which was based on the principle of Muslim superiority. They were regarded as state protégés (dhimmis) and had to pay a special poll tax (jizya) for that protection and as a sign of their inferior status. Their testimony was not accepted in the courts of justice, and in cases of the murder of a Jew or Christian by a Muslim, the latter was usually not condemned to death. In addition, Jews as well as Christians were normally not acceptable for appointments to the highest administrative posts; they were forbidden to carry arms (thus, to serve in the army), to ride horses in towns or to wear Muslim dress. They were also not usually allowed to build or repair places of worship and were often subjected to oppression, extortion and violence by both the local authorities and the Muslim population. The Jews in Ottoman Palestine and Syria lived under such ambivalent and precarious conditions for a number of centuries…” 12
http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/turkish-tolerance-jews.pdf
400 years of relative peace between Muslims, Christians and Jews during the Ottoman empire proves that Muslim Palestinians aren't inherently violent or antisemitic (anti-Jewish). The current Muslim/Christian Palestinian hatred towards Jews is a result of Zionism and the resulting oppression and injustice. If the Zionists claimed God gave this land to Rastafarians, rather than Jews, and the area was over run by well armed Rastafarians, I'm pretty sure Muslims Palestinians would hate Rastafarians instead of Jews.
On the other side, Jewish Israelis have become increasingly anti-Arab in recent years. No doubt it has something to do with the on going violence, but according to what I've read, its root causes also include anti-Arab hate propaganda which has recently become pervasive in Israel, negative stereotypes in the media and opportunistic politicians. Younger people seem to be the most influenced. This Jewish Israeli hatred towards Arabs and Muslims is a relatively new and growing phenomenon. Israeli Jews hating Arabs just because they are Arabs never used to be a common viewpoint. But its gaining popularity and social acceptance to the point where setting a taxi cab load of evil Arabs on fire with a Molotov cocktail has become not so terrible in the viewpoint of a fairly large minority of Israelis...
Relative is a relative term. I don't think the ME has been particularly peaceable, in my relative view, even before WW 2.
Apples and oranges. 1.4 billion Muslims aren't the same culturally or even in their interpretation of the Islam. Your point would be like blaming the Brits for the holocaust because they were Christians just like the Germans.
Palestinians have always been a separate ethic group from Egyptians and for the last 500 years, they've had far more in common culturally with the Turks which has a good record regarding tolerance of Jews... Much better than most European nations... At least they were until the Mavi Marmara incident.
While the Ottomans never had a Jewish ruler, they did have many Jewish people in positions of real power and authority. Whenever the Europeans went on a rampage against Jews, Turkey was always a safe haven for Jewish refugees.
History of the Jews in Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also, since the Ottomans ruled Palestine, Jews living in Palestine or anywhere else in the Ottoman empire where subject to the Ottoman law, which protected religious minorities most of the time. Of course their are exceptions, but for the most part, Jews living in the Ottoman empire were far more tolerated than they were in Europe or Egypt.
What an excellent whitewashing, lol.
I condemn acts of violence.
You make excuses for it, lol.
It's ok if the Pallies and whomever fight amongst themselves (that's not really violence) but don't them nasty Hebes start nuthin up.