Wouldn't it be nice if....

[Unforgiven]

I guess jackie boy is right about schools. Especially since the schools seemed to produce narrow minded, ignorant, war mongers like above that just can't seem to wrap their minds around peace instead of killing. Oh yes, and by the way, don't bother with the usual cop outs and excuses as to why war is necessary. It's only necessary because there are far too many like yourselves who obviously prefer the blood shed over peace.

Maybe you should go try reasoning with them.

 

[Tonington]

Tonnington, your aversion to the military ('fewer bombs') is not really valid re the Canadian military.

I'm not averse to the military...It was the other leading option I was considering leading up to my convocation. Canada needs more bombs now because we are actively involved in a conflict, and that's a choice. Our military would still be a military if we weren't involved in NATO airstrikes.

It's priorities that the girls sign is really all about, not semantics about funding.

 

[karrie]

Schools are FULLY funded for essentials.

I challenge you to get a child into school without paying. They are not fully funded, plain and simple. People have been having this legal battle with the schools for longer than you OR I have had kids in the system. They claim to be fully funded, but you HAVE to pay extra to have your kid in them, end of story.

Explain your contention then. It's an exercise in futility to question or challenge something for which the causes and mitigations are not stated.

Fifty students is not easily managed. I doubt the private school you sent your kids to had classroom sizes that large.

It's a contention that's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You're a bigger man than I for bothering to address it.

 

[gerryh]

It's a contention that's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You're a bigger man than I for bothering to address it.

He's a bigger man than you period....... thank God.

 

[YukonJack]

I challenge you to get a child into school without paying. They are not fully funded, plain and simple. People have been having this legal battle with the schools for longer than you OR I have had kids in the system. They claim to be fully funded, but you HAVE to pay extra to have your kid in them, end of story.



It's a contention that's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You're a bigger man than I for bothering to address it.

karrie, when we are talking about funding, fully or otherwise, there is no escaping of talking about costs. Just my humble opinion, but if the costs for essentials were lower, would there not be extra for the extras?

I recall being a class of fifty. When the teacher entered, we had to stand. When the teacher spoke we listened. When any of us had a question, we raised our hands and asked the question when the teacher gave us permission to do so. Minor miscreants got a rap or two on their fingertips with a ruler, and that was usually enough never to see a major miscreant in our ranks. We learned organic chemistry in Grade 8, trigonometry and algebra in grade 7 and world history and geography in grades lower. We paid attention, because we had to, or face the consequences, which, when incurred did NOT leave an indelible scar on our psyches.

We had optional music classes. Optional astronomy or chess clubs. Sport activities were not only part of our education, but were strongly encouraged.

Maybe it was all because it was more than fifty years ago and things were different then, but I believe that if the schools of today had the discipline we had then, there would be enough savings to FULLY fund every extra I mentioned, and more. After all, my childhood was spent in poor, war torn Hungary, not in the affluent rich country of Canada. Perhaps the fact that my teachers were not unionized also helped.

Tonington, when I talk about discipline, let me remind you that it is the strongest quality of the military.

 

[gerryh]

Minor miscreants got a rap or two on their fingertips with a ruler, and that was usually enough never to see a major miscreant in our ranks. We learned organic chemistry in Grade 8, trigonometry and algebra in grade 7 and world history and geography in grades lower. We paid attention, because we had to, or face the consequences, which, when incurred did NOT leave an indelible scar on our psyches..

So, you think we should go back to beating a child.

I'll take the negative rep as an affirmative to you preferring to have corporal punishment brought back to schools.

 

[YukonJack]

So, you think we should go back to beating a child.

I'll take the negative rep as an affirmative to you preferring to have corporal punishment brought back to schools.

gerryh, I gave you the negative rep, because in totally cowardly, liberal-bleeding-heart fashion you called a 'rap' BEATING and then you went on ignoring the rest of my comment you quoted.

 

[Unforgiven]

karrie, when we are talking about funding, fully or otherwise, there is no escaping of talking about costs. Just my humble opinion, but if the costs for essentials were lower, would there not be extra for the extras?

I recall being a class of fifty. When the teacher entered, we had to stand. When the teacher spoke we listened. When any of us had a question, we raised our hands and asked the question when the teacher gave us permission to do so. Minor miscreants got a rap or two on their fingertips with a ruler, and that was usually enough never to see a major miscreant in our ranks. We learned organic chemistry in Grade 8, trigonometry and algebra in grade 7 and world history and geography in grades lower. We paid attention, because we had to, or face the consequences, which, when incurred did NOT leave an indelible scar on our psyches.

We had optional music classes. Optional astronomy or chess clubs. Sport activities were not only part of our education, but were strongly encouraged.

Maybe it was all because it was more than fifty years ago and things were different then, but I believe that if the schools of today had the discipline we had then, there would be enough savings to FULLY fund every extra I mentioned, and more. After all, my childhood was spent in poor, war torn Hungary, not in the affluent rich country of Canada. Perhaps the fact that my teachers were not unionized also helped.

Tonington, when I talk about discipline, let me remind you that it is the strongest quality of the military.

See what class size does to people?
Discipline isn't punishment, rapping on finger tips is punishment. Discipline is learning to do things the right way and repeating that routine or ceremony so that the out come is correct. That is one of the strongest qualities of the military of which there are many. Honour and loyalty are a couple you missed.

 

[gerryh]

gerryh, I gave you the negative rep, because in totally cowardly, liberal-bleeding-heart fashion you called a 'rap' BEATING and then you went on ignoring the rest of my comment you quoted.

The only form of "discipline" you mentioned was hitting the child, or is hitting the only form of discipline you know? I know for me, if any teacher was to "rap my child with a ruler" they would find that ruler embedded up their ass.

 

[YukonJack]

See what class size does to people?
Discipline isn't punishment, rapping on finger tips is punishment. Discipline is learning to do things the right way and repeating that routine or ceremony so that the out come is correct. That is one of the strongest qualities of the military of which there are many. Honour and loyalty are a couple you missed.

And the reason you turned out to be a pathetic bleeding-heart liberal is that you never had to face the consequences of your actions. And see what a 10 pupil class size had done to you!

I had a rap on my fingertips with a ruler, and then I made every effort not to get it again. Let me assure you and all your fellow chickens that it did NOT damage my self-respect, it did NOT make me hate my teachers, or my parents, it did NOT turn me into a criminal.

When you show respect for a teacher, it is DISCIPLINE. When you advocate liberal anarchy and disrespect in the class room, it is not, it is the total lack of honour and loyalty.

Congratulations, you graduated from the school of liberalism.

The only form of "discipline" you mentioned was hitting the child, or is hitting the only form of discipline you know? I know for me, if any teacher was to "rap my child with a ruler" they would find that ruler embedded up their ass.

So, your child is always right and the teacher is always wrong.

You have the nerve to lecture me, you, who advocates violence (see your own post) far worse.

Hook up with Unforgiven, you two deserve each other.

 

[gerryh]

So, your child is always right and the teacher is always wrong.

You have the nerve to lecture me, you, who advocates violence (see your own post) far worse.

Hook up with Unforgiven, you two deserve each other.

Yup, simple minded. I am advocating defending my child from some halfwit who only knows how to beat a child to get them to do what they want. I am defending my child against someone that has no right to lay a hand on my child. It has nothing to do with my child being right or wrong. It has everything to do with some stranger over stepping their bounds with MY child.

 

[JLM]

Good idea, Karrie, I always knew you were smart. :smile:

Schools are not fully funded. I have to pay $110 per child, every year, fundraise for playground and sports equipment, and pay out of pocket for field trips, and any 'extras', such as when the schools have in hands on learning modules such as their bridge building classes, boat making classes, etc. The costs climb as children get older, with text book fees, locker fees, and field trip fees all growing as the child does.

Same thing here in B.C. Karrie- I don't really have a problem with it (we are the main guardians of two grand daughters) it's either out of pocket or more taxes.

I guess jackie boy is right about schools. Especially since the schools seemed to produce narrow minded, ignorant, war mongers like above that just can't seem to wrap their minds around peace instead of killing. Oh yes, and by the way, don't bother with the usual cop outs and excuses as to why war is necessary. It's only necessary because there are far too many like yourselves who obviously prefer the blood shed over peace.

Unless you had your head up your ass during 9/11, the reason for war might be fairly obvious.

 

[gerryh]

Unless you had your head up your ass during 9/11, the reason for war might be fairly obvious.

I see you're still having comprehension problems, so I will reiterate.

Oh yes, and by the way, don't bother with the usual cop outs and excuses as to why war is necessary. It's only necessary because there are far too many like yourselves who obviously prefer the blood shed over peace.

 

[JLM]

And the reason you turned out to be a pathetic bleeding-heart liberal is that you never had to face the consequences of your actions. And see what a 10 pupil class size had done to you!

I had a rap on my fingertips with a ruler, and then I made every effort not to get it again. Let me assure you and all your fellow chickens that it did NOT damage my self-respect, it did NOT make me hate my teachers, or my parents, it did NOT turn me into a criminal.

When you show respect for a teacher, it is DISCIPLINE. When you advocate liberal anarchy and disrespect in the class room, it is not, it is the total lack of honour and loyalty.

Congratulations, you graduated from the school of liberalism.



So, your child is always right and the teacher is always wrong.

You have the nerve to lecture me, you, who advocates violence (see your own post) far worse.

Hook up with Unforgiven, you two deserve each other.

There's times when the little buggers won't desist until they've had a sound thrashing, BUT that should be as a LAST resort after ALL other forms of punishment have been tried. One thing I will grant you, I got a couple of good strappings around grade six, they didn't do me any harm. The one was a little unjust, a big lout was beating the **** out of me during a soccer game, had me pinned on the ground so I up with my boot in the back of his head. We both got it, so that was alright. I was a little miffed at the time because on top of the strapping I had blood from a$$hole to breakfast! :lol:

 

[karrie]

karrie, when we are talking about funding, fully or otherwise, there is no escaping of talking about costs. Just my humble opinion, but if the costs for essentials were lower, would there not be extra for the extras?

You're attempting to say that something that clearly ISN'T fully funded, is fully funded, because you don't like the reasons you perceive that they can't make funding.

Do you get why that's a useless endeavour, and not a bait I feel like chasing after?

If you want to discuss the reasons that schools fail to meet their funding requirements and thus have to fundraise, then great. But first you'd have to acknowledge that they are not, in fact, fully funded.

 

[YukonJack]

Yup, simple minded. I am advocating defending my child from some halfwit who only knows how to beat a child to get them to do what they want. I am defending my child against someone that has no right to lay a hand on my child. It has nothing to do with my child being right or wrong. It has everything to do with some stranger over stepping their bounds with MY child.

gerryh, splurge and buy yourself your first dictionary, so that, with a little effort, you may learn the difference between beating a child and give that misbehaving child a well-deserved rap on the knuckles. Keep in mind, that when you voluntarily leave your child under the care of someone else, be it a teacher or a babysitter, you gave that person the authority to do whatever is necessary to keep your child in line. Would you rather see your 15 year old child injure a fellow student than his/her teacher stopping him/her from doing so, by physical action, if necessary? Would you shove a ruler up that teacher's rear end for trying to do so?

I don't know about you, but if my child ever disrupted a class by bad behaviour and denied other children the right to learn, I would not consider the action of a teacher for exercizing appropriate CORPORAL punishment, when all else failed.

But then, I am not a bleeding heart, idealistic, living-in-Utopia kind of liberal, but a realist.f

You're attempting to say that something that clearly ISN'T fully funded, is fully funded, because you don't like the reasons you perceive that they can't make funding.

Do you get why that's a useless endeavour, and not a bait I feel like chasing after?

If you want to discuss the reasons that schools fail to meet their funding requirements and thus have to fundraise, then great. But first you'd have to acknowledge that they are not, in fact, fully funded.

OK, karrie, so I might have strayed from the intent and purpose of the OP.

Isn't that what happens to ALL the threads here, after about three posts?

 

[JLM]

I see you're still having comprehension problems, so I will reiterate.

You are having problems reading again. Where did I say I prefer war over peace?

 

[Praxius]

Why not just abolish the military and their bombs altogether? :roll:

I'm the magical man, from Happy Land, who lives in a gumdrop house on Lolly Pop Lane!

OOoOooooo.... Sprinkes!

 

[karrie]

The funny part is that gerry doesn't hesitate to discipline children, even other people's children. My son got put firmly in place within minutes of meeting gerry, all without him having to smack him around at all. Physical blows do not equal discipline. They are the sign of a mind too lazy to instill proper discipline.

 

[JLM]

gerryh, splurge and buy yourself your first dictionary, so that, with a little effort, you may learn the difference between beating a child and give that misbehaving child a well-deserved rap on the knuckles. Keep in mind, that when you voluntarily leave your child under the care of someone else, be it a teacher or a babysitter, you gave that person the authority to do whatever is necessary to keep your child in line. Would you rather see your 15 year old child injure a fellow student than his/her teacher stopping him/her from doing so, by physical action, if necessary? Would you shove a ruler up that teacher's rear end for trying to do so?

I don't know about you, but if my child ever disrupted a class by bad behaviour and denied other children the right to learn, I would not consider the action of a teacher for exercizing appropriate CORPORAL punishment, when all else failed.

But then, I am not a bleeding heart, idealistic, living-in-Utopia kind of liberal, but a realist.f



OK, karrie, so I might have strayed from the intent and purpose of the OP.

Isn't that what happens to ALL the threads here, after about three posts?

You got that right Y.J. and if our parents found out we'd been strapped at school, that one was mild compared to the one we got at home. In those days the teacher was the highest authority and every parent backed them conditionally.