I guess, to the way I read it, you ignored the fact that when gerry says war is necessary because of _________ people, he means the people who would bomb the trade centre as much as he means the people who would then retalliate. Why is it that whenever someone says 'wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to go to war?', the people on the right hand side of the political spectrum assume we mean 'wouldn't it be nice if we let THEM do whatever they want?' Why are they blind to the fact that it's a global statement? When I say that it would be nice if war no longer existed, I mean globally, for everyone, everywhere, not just for us to no longer fight wars. And I'm pretty sure gerry means it the same way, as do most 'liberals'.
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I guess, to the way I read it, you ignored the fact that when gerry says war is necessary because of _________ people, he means the people who would bomb the trade centre as much as he means the people who would then retalliate. Why is it that whenever someone says 'wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to go to war?', the people on the right hand side of the political spectrum assume we mean 'wouldn't it be nice if we let THEM do whatever they want?' Why are they blind to the fact that it's a global statement? When I say that it would be nice if war no longer existed, I mean globally, for everyone, everywhere, not just for us to no longer fight wars. And I'm pretty sure gerry means it the same way, as do most 'liberals'.
And in regards to the original image posted in Post#1, while I give props to the utopian message..... it wouldn't make much sense to fully fund schools in everything they needed and wanted if there's no military to protect them from attack.
Let me think..... hmmmm.... do I want all my tax money going to some kid's yearly hockey equipment so they can play on the school's hockey team regardless if they sucked or not...... or go towards body armour, LAV's and equipment to keep our troops alive & able to defend our nation?
Now when I say Defending our nation, I mean defending our nation.... not getting involved in wars for other countries and their internal issues...... Because then if we did was was said in the original image, we'd have no chance to defend our nation and then need to have other nations try and protect us.... a nice little twist if you ask me.
Let me think..... hmmmm.... do I want all my tax money going to some kid's yearly hockey equipment so they can play on the school's hockey team regardless if they sucked or not...... or go towards body armour, LAV's and equipment to keep our troops alive & able to defend our nation?
Now when I say Defending our nation, I mean defending our nation.... not getting involved in wars for other countries and their internal issues...... Because then if we did was was said in the original image, we'd have no chance to defend our nation and then need to have other nations try and protect us.... a nice little twist if you ask me.
karrie, I hope, nay, I KNOW you are not talking to or about me, because I am sure you have read my post #14.
Yep, you save that stuff for things like when they have a party and burn your house down. :lol:
Hey I'd love to have peace on earth and hippy orgies in our parks, smoking dope and dropping acid so we could focus more on the pink, laughing monkeys hiding in the grass and never having to worry about anything beyond that....... but in reality, even this wannabe hippy knows we require some level of military to defend ourselves from others who'd want us to live their way of life, or no life at all and just kill us.
Sorry to say that not everybody on this planet is as loving and tree-hugging as you and because of that, we need to be able to defend our nation and our citizens.
Just dropping our arms and trusting that others in the rest of the world would leave us alone because we want to hug a rainbow is just plain idiotic.
Don't forget, many wars are created and/or supported in the name of religion and God, such as your God and how many wars were created in the past in his name.
The hypocrisy is astounding really.
What got overlooked here was that gentle persuation can do wonders to an unruly kid's behaviour. When all else fails, use gentle CORPORAL punishment. Not beating. Not whopping. Not cruelty, but loving enforcement of the rules. Know why? Because those who don't learn that the world is run by rules and laws as kids, will never learn it, and end up gimme-gimme socialist liberals.
My parents never BEAT me. I never BEAT my kids. I always loved my parents and I am sure my kids love me, in spite of an occasional 'rap on the knuckles' or slap on the bum.
I ignore punks who claim to be kind and gentle, because they never are.
And neither are they ever right.
My parents never BEAT me. I never BEAT my kids. I always loved my parents and I am sure my kids love me, in spite of an occasional 'rap on the knuckles' or slap on the bum.
I ignore punks who claim to be kind and gentle, because they never are.
And neither are they ever right.
I know plenty of people who got corporal punishment in school. They had it removed for their kids for a reason.
My parents gave the belt. They were also part of having it removed from the schools. What goes on at home and what goes on at school are two different issues and arguments. One is a parent who knows a child closely, the other is a stranger hired to teach.
See, when I was growing up, I never got involved in the school sports, we never had to pay for field trips (if we did, I wouldn't go) we never had bridge building classes or boat making classes...... quite simply, none of those things are important or required for getting through school. My dad taught at the same school as the one I went to and knew very well about many of these fees. At the time, lockers were like $5 for the year.
Locker fees are a money grab for stupid things like the above.... the lockers have been in those schools for years and have been paid for long ago. If feild trips were actually necessary, then they wouldn't require a fee...... if the teachers or school tried to blackmail a family into paying for it by targeting a child's grades/marks, then I'd be challenging that.
Having to pay $110 a year per child is fk'n robbery if you ask me. Sports equipment beyond what's already in the gym is not manditory and is only for your own child's wishes. Our playground when I was growing up was a grass field or a graveled area to the side of the school.... no monkey bars.
Nobody complained and I certainly didn't give a crap.
We never built bridges or made boats.... in Jr. High, we had Industrial Arts and we built various things in there.... that was it.
Growing up and even today, I believe school should be about learning, reading books, running laps around the gym, doing tests and then getting the fk out of there.
a field trip? what is that. when I was a kid in school, I remember one trip per year to the library
down town, and I participated in may day, that was it, no such thing as field trips, or any other
extra caricular activities.
The field trips started somewhere during my kids growing up, became more and more, and professional
days, they are a joke, just an excuse for teachers to have long week ends.
There should be a happy medium somewhere for 'school funding', just as there should be for 'military spending',
but for soldiers, I believe there is no limit of funding, so that they are fully equipped for
proper safety, and not driving around in death vehicles with no side armour as they were in iraq
and afghanistan earlier on. That was disgusting, under the liberal government.
The teachers now are just 'those children',now grown up, who got away with anything, and now, are teaching at a level
where they let kids get away with anything.
When I went to school, one did not talk back to any teacher, or you were immediately sent to the office,
the teacher was 'boss', and that is how it should be.
The only thing I disagree with long ago, was the strap, the pendulum has swung too far the other way now.
Just like many of those young people were trashing the police and firemen during the riot, (one even
punched a fireman), the school kids are allowed to talk like that in school, and some, at home.
Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if kids in school had respect for teachers, and wouldn't it be nice if the
teachers 'demanded' that respect, instead of allowing it.
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The only things I ever remember paying for when I went to school was a $5 locker fee for the year and my grad yearbook, which was optional..... which I also ended up drawing in, marking over people's faces, making speech balloons and wise cracks by people faces.... and then lost it a year or so later.
The only things I ever remember paying for when I went to school was a $5 locker fee for the year and my grad yearbook, which was optional..... which I also ended up drawing in, marking over people's faces, making speech balloons and wise cracks by people faces.... and then lost it a year or so later.
NO, not really, karrie. A teacher is a stranger only when the parents fail to show up at teacher-parent meetings and don't or refuse to get to know the teacher. My parents had no car, but walked 3 kilometers to school to meet the teachers of four kids. I never missed a chance to talk to the teachers of my kids, either in public or private schools. I never had any doubt that the teachers I entrusted my kids to would never be cruel to my kids. I never had any reason to think that any punishment for unruly behaviour they deemed appropriate would not be appropriate.
I certainly never had any sadistic desire to shove a ruler up a teacher's a$$ whether it was used for rapping my kids' knuckles, or not.
Let kids run rampant without fear of discipline and you will reap what you sow.
tallola, you are a treasure! What you said here echoes my sentiments.
I never had a locker in school, because I never needed one. What I needed was there, in my bag: my books and my lunch, provided by my parents, not taxpayers and/or any freeloading school board.
I lived in a cardboard box, under a railway bridge, and I walked 17 miles to school everyday, where the teachers would beat us with a cat o nine tails if our penmanship wasn't up to par. We were forced to assemble watches at noon, in order to earn our meagre food.
But it's made me what I am today, king of the world, with a personal fortune of 348 billion dollars, and 4 perfectly adjusted kids, who each have their own medical practices, and spend half the year doing charity work in the third world.
But it's made me what I am today, king of the world, with a personal fortune of 348 billion dollars, and 4 perfectly adjusted kids, who each have their own medical practices, and spend half the year doing charity work in the third world.
And corporal punishment produces name calling, liberal hating, right wing, cranky, old farts! Wow, thanks for clearing that up Jack.
And, of course lack of corporal punishment produces name-calling, conservative hating, left-wing, cranky, old farts. Wow, thanks for clearing that up, Cliffy.
Hook up with the ten cents worth guy, above, you deserve each other.
Oh common Jack. Surely you could be a little more original than that. You're no fun. I'm taking my Tonka toys home and leaving you alone in the sand box.
BTW, I was brought up in a catholic schools with nuns and am no stranger to corporal punishment, which explains my permanently scarred psyche too.
Cliffy, by now I know that no matter what I say, you will, just by inborn obstinacy and unreasonable stubbornness, you will routinely oppose. So, I just take your own words and make the necessary corrections.
Your obviously damaged psyche is not the fault of any nuns.
Your obviously damaged psyche is not the fault of any nuns.
Ya it is. Those sadistic penguins beat the snot out of me. I was born left handed, now I have trouble doing anything with it but pick my nose.