Would you bomb a school?

[earth_as_one]

no i wouldn't bomb a school, they r just little kids, and after all, the children are our future, teach them well and........idk the rest

You are right of course. The answer is so simple once you recognize these basic truths. But some adults are so full of hate, that they can't see this any more. They see a school full of enemies, not innocent children.

Z, look at the numbers above. After November 4, did the number of attacks increase or decrease? Think longterm like MissAnnika. What is Israel teaching the children of Gaza? Unless Israel is ready to exterminate every Gazan, they will not achieve a lasting peace through war.

This war is a result of greed, oppression and injustice. Zionists took took what belonged to others because they believe they have a God given right to other people's homes, property, bank accounts, family portraits... The people they dispossessed live in concentration camps under severe oppression where they don't have even the most fundamental rights including adequate food and medicine.

When we turn our backs on their suffering, we are no better than the people who knew about the holocaust and remained silent.

 

[Zzarchov]

You have expressed feelings of entitlement that can only be derived from a sense of superiority. It is impossible for you to understand what I mean - a natural condition of your affliction; which is why I say it is pointless arguing with a racist.

Uh huh, so back that up. If you choose to be slanderous you can at least bring up the most basic of charges.

Bollshoi like "its impossible for you to understand" would seem to imply you think you have a sense of superiority.

Are you saying you yourself are a racist? I guess it would be impossible for you to understand your own bigotry. I guess that would then by why you are Anti-Israel? Is it anti-semitism? Its pointless to argue with you..as you admit you are a racist and will never see the light otherwise..

Or you could debate like an adult and not whine and say "Im crying, leaving, and taking my ball with me"

 

[Scott Free]

Uh huh, so back that up. If you choose to be slanderous you can at least bring up the most basic of charges.

Bollshoi like "its impossible for you to understand" would seem to imply you think you have a sense of superiority.

Are you saying you yourself are a racist? I guess it would be impossible for you to understand your own bigotry. I guess that would then by why you are Anti-Israel? Is it anti-semitism? Its pointless to argue with you..as you admit you are a racist and will never see the light otherwise..

Or you could debate like an adult and not whine and say "Im crying, leaving, and taking my ball with me"

See? I told you you wouldn't get it.

 

[Tyr]

I wouldn't bomb a school any sooner that I would fire a a BM-21 rocket with a 21kg warheadinto an unsuspecting suburb of a city

The Hamas and other armed organisations in the Gaza Strip have launched rocket attacks against Israel, using both improvised Qassam rockets, and individual Grad or Katyusha rockets which have been smuggled into Gaza, including 122-mm rockets. These are fired from small man-portable launchers, and not truck-mounted launchers like the BM-21. The Grad used by these Palestinian groups under the auspices of the Hamas government in Gaza have a range of about 40 km and as such can reach the Israeli towns of Ashdod, Beer-Sheva, Gedera and Yavneh.

Are you trying to imply that it's ok to launch rockets at civilians homes, but not ok if a school ends up being inadvertantly bombed?

 

[Zzarchov]

See? I told you you wouldn't get it.

There is nothing to get. You are angry not every one thinks like you, so you launch character attacks.

Then you get caught in your own ridiculous unsupported claims.

You started the racist claim because I did not think natives were monstrous savages. Apparently because I think a group you are apparently implying are somehow inferior, are actually just normal people, I have a sense of entitlement. This is reminiscent of some of your past posts where you took a very patronizing and belittling tone to natives as if they needed the "protection" or "Special interest" of non-natives like they were children.

If you have something to say it, say it bluntly. Or get off the debate forum.

 

[Zzarchov]

@ EAO: The numbers are correct.

This will not have any lasting effect I do not believe. Short terms gains for Israel only. Those rockets were already stockpiled, so its not like they weren't going to be fired by militants someday.

Perhaps the people in Gaza should learn that they will never slaughter all the people in Israel and need to find some other way to make peace?

They can "symbollically" fire on Israel to no gain and Israel can then "symbolically" invade to little gain of their own.

No one alive has any real claim to Israel besides the Israelis who were born and raised there. In the past the land may have belonged to Palestinians. Good for them, they got it from someone else before them. And before they had it the christians had it, and the Muslims before the Christians, the Byzantines and Romans before Islam existed, the Jews before that and the Hittites before the Jews arrived.

History shows the land has many owners and it doesn't matter. You have no claim to the righs of the father, and no blame for the sins of the father.

Palestinians needs to accept that basic human right.

 

[einmensch]

The U.N. Security Council called for an immediate cease-fire Thursday, but Olmert said Israel "never agreed that anyone would decide for us if it is permissible to strike at those who send bombs against our kindergartens and schools."

The Palestinians bombed kindergartens and schools Is this a lie--just amanner of speaking?

"The IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) is not working against the people of Gaza but against Hamas and the terrorists only," the leaflets said in Arabic. "Stay safe by following our orders." Israel is helping the people-like it has all along-making life better for them

Israeli strike near a U.N. school Tuesday that Gaza health officials said killed 39 Palestinians. On Sunday, Israeli defense officials said an investigation by the military concluded that an Israeli mortar shell missed its target and hit near the school.
Hit near the school and killed 39 in the school. Only Israel can build them there mortars
Israeli attacks on UN convoys during a 3 hour promised lull by Israel
Israeli troops meet Hamas resistance deep in Gaza
Ah yes resistance ! ->>dead 20 Palestinians, 0 Israelis
— the full reoccupation of Gaza and toppling of Hamas. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 after 38 years of military occupation.
That makes sense pull the 7000 Jews out of Gaza, give it 3 years make conditions worse, use an excuse then bomb, kill, destroy all, bring them to their knees and move back in --since the USA said no to attacking Iran-let's kick the daylights out of Gaza-they can't defend themselves

 

[Scott Free]

There is nothing to get. You are angry not every one thinks like you, so you launch character attacks.

What are you talking about? I wasn't attacking you. I don't think you're racist on purpose. I was merely stating what I had inferred from your statements and thus why I wasn't going to bother talking to you.

I find it humorous you think I was attacking you.

If you have something to say it, say it bluntly. Or get off the debate forum.

I did say it and I said it bluntly. Clearly you can't comprehend what I said but that isn't my problem - it is yours.

 

[L Gilbert]

14 Die as Bomb-Filled S.U.V. Rams Israeli Bus - New York Times

Gaza: U.N. school hit by Israeli shells in Gaza, killing at least 30 as fighting rages on - Los Angeles Times

2 a$$holes exercising their hatred at the expense of good people....... insanity & stupidity runs amok. Get it? Neither side are better than the other.

 

[Zzarchov]

14 Die as Bomb-Filled S.U.V. Rams Israeli Bus - New York Times

Gaza: U.N. school hit by Israeli shells in Gaza, killing at least 30 as fighting rages on - Los Angeles Times

2 a$$holes exercising their hatred at the expense of good people....... insanity & stupidity runs amok. Get it? Neither side are better than the other.

See, alot of people take the view if you decide that both sides are bad that is somehow neutral.

It isn't, one is an accidentally killing civilians, one is intentionally hitting civilians.

IF they are equal in evil, then you seem to be suggesting Israel should just dumb mustard gas on Gaza and kill every living person and its not any worse than their current plan of trying to avoid civilian casualties.


When you lump a military operation, executed with more care than our own military does in built up operations, with direct assault on civilians you are not being neutral.

You are also implying all of our own Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan are also terrorists no better than those who take explosives to buses full of children and the elderly.

 

[In Between Man]

I do have room left on the list for a light thin one like you though.

Hmmm... No thank you. I prefer to stay off your enemies list and on your friends list! Tell ya what... why don't you head over to BC, like you said you would in the "Really kickass spots to smoke pot and enjoy the view" thread, I'll take ya to an awesome spot, we'll get super ripped, :color:and then you and I can solve this whole silly tiff ourselves!

You'll have to work hard to change my mind however. Even though I like the idea of arab/jewish intergation in one nation, I really don't think either side will ever, ever accept each other as fellow citizens. In reality, a two state solution seems to be the only viable one. So why not a jewish state and an arab state? Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Tyr]

See, alot of people take the view if you decide that both sides are bad that is somehow neutral.

It isn't, one is an accidentally killing civilians, one is intentionally hitting civilians.

IF they are equal in evil, then you seem to be suggesting Israel should just dumb mustard gas on Gaza and kill every living person and its not any worse than their current plan of trying to avoid civilian casualties.


When you lump a military operation, executed with more care than our own military does in built up operations, with direct assault on civilians you are not being neutral.

You are also implying all of our own Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan are also terrorists no better than those who take explosives to buses full of children and the elderly.

It isn't, one is an accidentally killing civilians, one is intentionally hitting civilians.

...and if I go to a cemetary and gaze out over the graves, I'm pretty sure they're all dead - accidently or intentionally, it matters little.

 

[Francis2004]

It isn't, one is an accidentally killing civilians, one is intentionally hitting civilians.

...and if I go to a cemetary and gaze out over the graves, I'm pretty sure they're all dead - accidently or intentionally, it matters little.

and if I go to a cemetary and gaze out over the graves, I'm pretty sure they're all dead - accidently or intentionally, it matters little.

Didn't you mean mass graves of civilians ? Besides how do you "Accidentaly Kill Civilians" for 60 years ?

 

[einmensch]

Zz-900 dead 277 children 300more civilians and 300militants--
OOPS we killed 600 civilians by accident-

 

[Zzarchov]

It isn't, one is an accidentally killing civilians, one is intentionally hitting civilians.

...and if I go to a cemetary and gaze out over the graves, I'm pretty sure they're all dead - accidently or intentionally, it matters little.

If you gaze over a cemetary you also won't be able to tell the evil of the earth (murderers, rapists, pedophiles) from the saints and generous. You'll also notice that everybody dies in the end.

Looking over a cemetary is a poor way to guage morality, because death takes everyone, regardless of morality.

 

[einmensch]

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It's normal. We have taken their country."--David Ben-Gurion
Ah! Israeli forces are looking for rocket launchers in downtown Gaza City. Fierce fighting but no Israeli casualties?
Palestinian rockets are targeting Israeli military installations but a few out of several hundred accidentally hit and killed 3 Israeli civilians. The remainder caused a little damage.The price of Depends tripled over night.

Since 2001 rocket and mortar shell fire has been directly responsible for the deaths of 24 Israelis and the wounding of 620.


Here are some pictures of the things that are raining down on Sderot.


The Qassam rockets are lethal within at least 50 feet of the blast zone. They are designed to inflict injury with shrapnel rather than with the blast. Lucky for Israel this design flaw has prevented many injuries as the explosion happens outside a building rather than inside of them, shrapnel rarely penetrates walls. However, they are still very dangerous.

Qassam 1Qassam 2Qassam 3Length79 cm (2 ft 7 in)180 cm (5 ft 11 in)over 200 cm (6 ft 7 in)Diameter6 cm (2.4 in)15 cm (5.9 in)17 cm (6.7 in)Weight5.5 kg (12 lb)32 kg (71 lb)90 kg (198 lb)Explosives Payload0.5 kg (1.1 lb)5–7 kg (11–15 lb)10 kg (22 lb)Maximum Range3 km (1.9 mi)8–10 km (5.0–6.2 mi)
10 km (6.2 mi)

qassam rocket pictures - Live Search Images#

 

[Just the Facts]

Since 2001 rocket and mortar shell fire has been directly responsible for the deaths of 24 Israelis and the wounding of 620.

Even at rushing to bomb shelters the Jews can teach us something.

 

[Just the Facts]

Israeli strike near a U.N. school Tuesday that Gaza health officials said killed 39 Palestinians. On Sunday, Israeli defense officials said an investigation by the military concluded that an Israeli mortar shell missed its target and hit near the school.
Hit near the school and killed 39 in the school. Only Israel can build them there mortars

Probably the school was wired and the mortar set it off. Think about it. Thank you. One thing you really can't accuse Israel of, no matter how much you may hate them, is not taking responsibilty for mistakes. They're more likely to apologize first then find out they didn't do it later than anyone else I'm aware of.

Israeli attacks on UN convoys during a 3 hour promised lull by Israel

Ummm....that's not conclusive. There are some whisperings that in fact Hamas attacked the U.N. convoys.

Israeli troops meet Hamas resistance deep in Gaza
Ah yes resistance ! ->>dead 20 Palestinians, 0 Israelis

No one needs to apologize for winning. Hamas operatives should have thought about that before each of the almost seven thousand rockets they fired in the last three years.

use an excuse

Seven thousand rockets in three years. An excuse. :lol:

They would have been justified to do what they're doing now after the first fifty. They toughed it out through seven thousand. Deal with it.

 

[TenPenny]

Anyone who claims they wouldn't bomb a school hasn't read much history of WW2.

 

[CDNBear]

What can I say? $hit happens in a war zone.

That's a fact Jack!

But Israeli apologists who support killing innocent children have now been exposed. I'm not sure I'd trust you to babysit children.

But you are naive enough to believe everything the Israeli machine spits out.

Not at all. I know and have stated such in the past, as you are well aware of. That I find fault on both sides. Unlike yourself, a noted Hamas and Hezbollah supporter.

CDN Bear -Asshologist is approptiate for you. I'm glad that you know yourself.

This is true, i do know myself, being true to myself as well, I do not make vague generalisations and hide behind them, like yourself.

But you are obviously naive enough to believe that Hamas has a media machine , I suppose they could still have a hand operated one maybe. But you are definately naive and thick like de brick.

:roll:

Technically killing about 300 people in response to 0 deaths isn't a ratio.

Here eao, read this...

Israel's retaliation on Gaza for Hamas' continuing rocket assaults on Israel is the hottest -- and arguably most controversial -- world issue of the moment.
Judging from news reports, some Jews are urging compassion for Palestinian civilians in Gaza. This (in my view) is misguided humanitarianism and, if successful, will merely guarantee that Israel's enemies will continue to harass and attack that country.
Instead of agreeing to temporary ceasefires to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza, Israel might consider studying policies of the old Iroquois confederacy, established some 100 years or more before Canada's discovery by Jacques Cartier followed by the first French settlement in 1605.

Israel can learn from Iroquois | Peter Worthington | Columnists | News | Toronto Sun

Anyone who claims they wouldn't bomb a school hasn't read much history of WW2.

Well said Ten Penny. One needs only read the accounts of the Allied bombings in Holland and how the Dutch felt at that time to understand what you mean.