World War II: The Holocaust

MHz

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What does the intake of a jet engine have to do with war crimes, hidden ones or the ones that are known to have occurred?
 

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That the holocaust is a living breathing thing even today is a testament to those dedicated souls who have donated their time and efforts to produce the holocaust histories and museums that guide us hopefully forward against all those who hate freedom. We all love and respect the work of notables such as Eli Weisel.
 

MHz

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Does that also mean there is a 'great' effort being made to now hide the true numbers of civilians killed in what we now classify as 'wars'? After all, in some 60 years hardy anybody has had their neck stretched for committing similar crimes in similar situations. Machete mass killings in Africa don't even make the news anymore but one 'pirate' can get a whole Navy on your ass, who did the math on that one?
 

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I take it the CIA gets to keep their storm-troopers, and their relatives and all the ones they have trained so well over the last 50 years. So much for justice for the 60 million the war took, just what do the banksters have to do to actually rile people up?
 

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[quote] Originally Posted by MHz
What does the intake of a jet engine have to do with war crimes, hidden ones or the ones that are known to have occurred?
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Both videos were made by the same conspiracy theorist..:roll:

 

MHz

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Both videos were made by the same conspiracy theorist..:roll:
1,000's might believe you but I don't. More disinfo from the 'sane crowd', you guys really have no shame and you are soo sloppy in your lies, pitiful.

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Cheered on by a graduate from lala land, what better endorsement could you possibly get, lol.
Some things never change nor do they get better with age, you two are such an example.
 

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East Germany or West Germany? ;)

West for sure!

The Holocaust is a terrible crime against humanity, the lies the fraud the murder and on a scale that hardly bears believing. peace on earth good will to mankind

I'm beginning to wonder if some of the naysayers didn't have a hand in it! Pretty difficult to really be that ignorant. One such assh*le was even a school teacher in Alberta years ago. Somewhere around Sylvan Lake if memory serves me correct.

Both videos were made by the same conspiracy theorist..:roll:

And I guess he figures the "Diary of Anne Frank" was the sequel to "Alice in Wonderland".
 

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In fact today, Chrysler make the AM Abrams Tanks.
I believe you're confusing General Dynamics and AM General.

General Dynamics builds the A1 Abrams. AM General builds the HMMWV.

Neither is owned by Chrysler. AM General, the general division of AMC, the company that built Jeep products. AMC was sold to Renault in 82. Under the US Munitions act, defence contractors could not be foreigner owned. AM General was severed and sold to LTV Corp.

Nope the war materials industry did pretty well and cars were not made in mass production
until after the war around 1946. Yes there were cars made but they were in much smaller amounts and were subject to rations on the basis of need.
I hate to say it, but you should read a little history on the auto industry. Ford's sales in 1913, were almost 250,000 units/year. Three years later, the were almost 500,000 units/year.

Hyperbole and putting words in peoples mouths is not a valid way to discuss an issue.
But it is one of petros' favourite tactics.

peace on earth good will to mankind
Just not for bankers and Jews eh?

1,000's might believe you but I don't.
The feeling is mutual.

A filmmaker and entrepreneur, Ty Rauber invented the first commercial Internet media distribution system to utilize Digital Rights Management. A graduate of Boston University's Film School, Rauber also produced and directed "Who Killed John O'Neill?", the first feature length film to be distributed through the iTunes Music Store. Rauber currently consults as a Media Technology Strategist, developing Internet campaigns for Independent Artists and Companies, such as Cheb i Sabbah and V.K. Nagrani.

Cheered on by a graduate from lala land, what better endorsement could you possibly get, lol.
Ya, I watched that documentary. Ty makes several glaring mistakes, and thoroughly tarnishes O'Neill's reputation.

Some things never change nor do they get better with age.
And you prove wisdom is not something that comes with the passing of time.

With the exception of Darkbeaver, I'm not surprised at the absence of the Usual Suspects.
You spoke to soon.
 
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Sometimes you have to fight, Gerry, to protect what you have and to prevent subversion! :smile:

So the war mongers keep telling me.

I wasn't aware that being against war was akin to holocaust denial.

It was in reply to this.

Yep, it was a good thing for a lot of people to see first those who deny the holocaust and 2nd whine about the brutal conditions we have to put up with in Canada today and thirdly for those who denigrate war and maybe they will realize if it wasn't for the Allies in W.W.2 we could be in the same sort of camps today. Denying the holocaust should be a criminal offense.


I thought is was because the camps were full of helpless civilians.

Helpless civilians didn't prevent Dresden.
 

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The images from the link in the OP were horrific. However as usual with this type of article, the Warsaw Ghetto is portrayed incorrectly. It was not just established "only a few years ago [before the war]". Wikipedia says that it was established in 1940, but that is simply not true. A 'ghetto' is a community of non-natives inside a country, usually within a city-centre. That area in Warsaw has existed, as a ghetto, for centuries.
 

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So the war mongers keep telling me.

Well leave it to others to protect your family and yourself. Many do that.

The images from the link in the OP were horrific. However as usual with this type of article, the Warsaw Ghetto is portrayed incorrectly. It was not just established "only a few years ago [before the war]". Wikipedia says that it was established in 1940, but that is simply not true. A 'ghetto' is a community of non-natives inside a country, usually within a city-centre. That area in Warsaw has existed, as a ghetto, for centuries.

Minor difference - A large brick wall was built, topped with barb wire, broken glass etc and all Jews were transferred to that area - Ghetto -


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto

The Warsaw Ghetto was established by the German Governor-General Hans Frank on October 16, 1940. Frank ordered Jews in Warsaw and its suburbs rounded up and herded into the Ghetto. At this time, the population in the Ghetto was estimated to be 400,000 people, about 30%[5] of the population of Warsaw; however, the size of the Ghetto was about 2.4%[6] of the size of Warsaw. The ghetto was split into two areas, the "small ghetto", generally inhabited by richer Jews and the "large ghetto", where conditions were more difficult; the two ghettos were linked by a single footbridge. The Nazis then closed the Warsaw Ghetto to the outside world on November 16, 1940 by building a wall topped with barbed wire, and deploying armed guards.
 

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Oh yeah. The captions below the photos in the OP assume things (written as fact) which have never been proven. Like #18. It looks like Sachsenhausen (I've been there), a camp that was declared as never having committed mass executions just like every other camp in Western Germany. Why is it being portrayed as a death camp? Also, as I said before, no camp in Western Germany was ever declared as a 'death camp'. Why are all of the pictures displayed being portrayed as death camps in the context of purposely murdering individuals?

They certainly weren't humain, but I still don't understand why certain images are provided of nazi atrocties from the west when everything that happened was far beyong the borders of freedom.
 

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Oh yeah. The captions below the photos in the OP assume things (written as fact) which have never been proven. Like #18. It looks like Sachsenhausen (I've been there), a camp that was declared as never having committed mass executions just like every other camp in Western Germany. Why is it being portrayed as a death camp? Also, as I said before, no camp in Western Germany was ever declared as a 'death camp'. Why are all of the pictures displayed being portrayed as death camps in the context of purposely murdering individuals?

They certainly weren't humain, but I still don't understand why certain images are provided of nazi atrocties from the west when everything that happened was far beyong the borders of freedom.

I do not know why. Politics after the War????
 

Andem

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I do not know why. Politics after the War????

Well it is illegal here to really deny anything or disagree with anything published about the war. Here in Europe, I've just learned different things about the "facts" about the war than what I've learned in North America in school and uni. It's rubbish because some North American source will contradict European sources and it's illegal to actually point out those discrepancies here in Europe (Germany, France and Netherlands, I think).
 

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Well it is illegal here to really deny anything or disagree with anything published about the war. Here in Europe, I've just learned different things about the "facts" about the war than what I've learned in North America in school and uni. It's rubbish because some North American source will contradict European sources and it's illegal to actually point out those discrepancies here in Europe (Germany, France and Netherlands, I think).

Denial of the Holocaust in Germany is a crime - Proving that mass executions - genocidal crimes took place are not a violation of that law.