Women. You have men by the balls. No one can network like you; yet you do not squeeze

[DaSleeper]

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

I am a man and my wife and children would get the life boat seat before any man.

Sorry to hear that you are less than a man.

I will wait and see what kind of man Karrie's husband is.

Regards
DL

Some people are real "macho" sitting in fron of a computer:roll:

 

[French Patriot]

And some so called men cannot even muster that much because they have no clue as to what being a man is.

BTW. It is not macho, it is moral.

I might be long getting to there and learning morals but once reached, they hang on hard.


Do you know what the words sanctity of the family means?


The real difference between liberals and conservatives: Jonathan Haidt on TED.com


If you think sanctity of the family a good thing then how would you show yours if the boat was sinking?

Would you take the label of macho or coward?
Would you live as your wife dies?


Regards
DL

 

[karrie]

The end for you perhaps but then your husband would have to live with people putting him in the captain coward club for the rest of his life.

https://www.google.ca/search?source...4j41.0.0.0.5910...........0.rObC0LFGpDI&pbx=1

You might get his view and come back and tell us what he thinks of your plan to shame him.

Regards
DL

I thought he's supposed to be mine to boss around? lol.

The long and short of it is that it makes no sense as a parenting team, to let one drown for sure when the other is 'a cork'. No matter what you would have to say about it, or even what he would have to say about it.

 

[lone wolf]

I'm still waiting on your definition.... Does he pay taxes? Does he make sure food is on the table before he feeds the taxman? Does he acknowledge there is something bigger than him?

Let us read your own words. Anyone can cut and paste or post videos. Pretenders use it to advantage

 

[karrie]

I will wait and see what kind of man Karrie's husband is.

Regards
DL

How on earth will you do that?

Would you take the label of macho or coward?
Would you live as your wife dies?


Regards
DL

Sanctity of family is exactly why it would be immoral of me, a strong swimmer, to put a less adept swimmer... the bread winner, the healthy partner, the cornerstone of the family.... in the water while I sat and watched him drown.

I get the whole genital moral view that you're pushing, but life is not black and while, ***** and ******. I would have every reason to make the best choice for my family in that situation, and the best choice would be to give the most people possible the best chance to live, not make a man swim because it suits you.

 

[petros]

Push her in the drink and collect the insurance money. Problem solved.

 

[French Patriot]

I thought he's supposed to be mine to boss around? lol.

The long and short of it is that it makes no sense as a parenting team, to let one drown for sure when the other is 'a cork'. No matter what you would have to say about it, or even what he would have to say about it.

He should be yours to boss around all you like. If he is a moral man he will be pleased to do so but if he is a moral man, cork or not, he will insure you do not freeze or drown and will not take the seat that only a coward would.

Did you ask his opinion yet on you forcing him into the Captain Coward club?

Regards
DL

I'm still waiting on your definition.... Does he pay taxes? Does he make sure food is on the table before he feeds the taxman? Does he acknowledge there is something bigger than him?

Let us read your own words. Anyone can cut and paste or post videos. Pretenders use it to advantage

I have a tax post around elsewhere for your first.
Some men I am sure do not pay tax depending on their condition or situation. One has little to do with the other.

I would feed the kids before all else.

As to your last, many things are bigger than men. Trees lakes, planets.


If you meant something greater than man.

You might have me at a disadvantage. I can think of nothing greater than the greatest man?

What could possibly be?

Regards
DL

How on earth will you do that?

I did ask that you ask him and the choice here is not swim or take a seat. It is dying or take the seat.

Your swimming or floating skills are not a factor.

Seems you did not ask you husband which club or label he would take.
Afraid of the answer?

Sanctity of family is exactly why it would be immoral of me, a strong
swimmer, to put a less adept swimmer... the bread winner, the healthy partner,
the cornerstone of the family.... in the water while I sat and watched him
drown.





I get the whole genital moral view that you're pushing, but life is not black
and while, ***** and ******. I would have every reason to make the best choice
for my family in that situation, and the best choice would be to give the most
people possible the best chance to live, not make a man swim because it suits
you.

It seems you think that the lifeblood and soul builder of the family is dependent on income.
It is a minor factor in my experience. Women are generally better at child rearing than men and that trumps cash any day.
Do your kids love you for you or for your earning potential?
I should need say no more.

If seeing women as the best child rearers, ----- yes I do know a few men who make their wives look sick, ------ and that is not your experience and think men do better then we have no point of reference so continuing off topic will not be useful.

Regards
DL

 

[lone wolf]

Apparently you don't do well at rock, paper, scissors. I know about your tax post. You skulked away from that one leaving unanswered questions too....

 

[French Patriot]

Apparently you don't do well at rock, paper, scissors. I know about your tax post. You skulked away from that one leaving unanswered questions too....

You asked.
I gave.
You return with abuse instead of a reply.
**** off *** hole.

Regards
DLj

 

[lone wolf]

You gave a riddle. This ain't a Batman movie. Star you too, Daisy....

Regard this: .!..

 

[karrie]

He should be yours to boss around all you like. If he is a moral man he will be pleased to do so but if he is a moral man, cork or not, he will insure you do not freeze or drown and will not take the seat that only a coward would.

Did you ask his opinion yet on you forcing him into the Captain Coward club?

Regards
DL

It seems you think that the lifeblood and soul builder of the family is dependent on income.
It is a minor factor in my experience. Women are generally better at child rearing than men and that trumps cash any day.
Do your kids love you for you or for your earning potential?
I should need say no more.

If seeing women as the best child rearers, ----- yes I do know a few men who make their wives look sick, ------ and that is not your experience and think men do better then we have no point of reference so continuing off topic will not be useful.

Regards
DL

I don't need his opinion on what the right choice is, to have my opinion on what the right choice is.

I'm a stay at home mom, I feel women are usually naturally predisposed to child rearing and nurturing in a way men aren't. But there's plenty he's naturally predisposed to that I'm not, and at the current age my kids are at, they'll need him moving forward more than they'll need me. And that's my call to make as much as it's his to make. That's the beauty of living a moral partnership. We can decide what we need and when we need it, who's most strongly suited to what tasks, and not get hung up on what old societal roles dictate should be the roles we take.

 

[French Patriot]

I don't need his opinion on what the right choice is, to have my opinion on what the right choice is.

I'm a stay at home mom, I feel women are usually naturally predisposed to child rearing and nurturing in a way men aren't. But there's plenty he's naturally predisposed to that I'm not, and at the current age my kids are at, they'll need him moving forward more than they'll need me. And that's my call to make as much as it's his to make. That's the beauty of living a moral partnership. We can decide what we need and when we need it, who's most strongly suited to what tasks, and not get hung up on what old societal roles dictate should be the roles we take.

" And that's my call to make as much as it's his to make.".

Yes and I have been asking you to see what his call is and you have declined.

Why?

Afraid that he will not wear the Captain Coward hat?

Regards
DL

 

[karrie]

" And that's my call to make as much as it's his to make.".

Yes and I have been asking you to see what his call is and you have declined.

Why?

Afraid that he will not wear the Captain Coward hat?

Regards
DL

I'm the one you're having a conversation with, not him, that's why.

If you want to chat with him on the morality of it, have at it.

You'll be waiting a long time for a response.

 

[Nuggler]

8O..........French Patriot being a good example of an oxymoron.

 

[L Gilbert]

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

I am a man and my wife and children would get the life boat seat before any man.

Sorry to hear that you are less than a man.

I'm sorry you still seem to think that lives are worth the toss of a coin instead of rational thought. I'd rather not be the sort of "man" that you describe.
I have risked my life on more than one occasion to help people (that I didn't even know) survive life-threatening circumstances and I did that by using my training, skill, strength, and intelligence, not by using some ludicrous sense of adopted morality. But you go right ahead and hinge people's lives on your ridiculous code of morals.

I know we are only philosophising here, which is why I won't foolishly stick my foot in my mouth to suggest that you are not a very good man as you just did, but I will comment that by what I have seen you post - you are a fool.

I will wait and see what kind of man Karrie's husband is.

According to your standards, or sensible ones?

I'm also still a bit sad that you cannot fathom how to use the quote function properly.

And I also noticed you've changed your original scenario by adding mention of kids which tells me you must be wildly groping for some sort of rationale in your somewhat comical view of what manhood consists of.

On further consideration of the scenario, my most likely actions would be to instinctively try delay or stop the sinking of the boat in the first place to save as many people and as much stuff as possible. So that pretty much makes the question of flipping a coin to see who gets in the lifeboat a bit moot anyway.

 

[Johnnny]

Im going to squeeze your mother by the balls for raisng you like that.... :lol:

 

[French Patriot]

I'm the one you're having a conversation with, not him, that's why.

If you want to chat with him on the morality of it, have at it.

You'll be waiting a long time for a response.

I knew you were too bright to bring it up to him as he is likely also bright enough to tell you what to do with the Captain Coward hat that you would have him wear?

After all, he was bright enough to choose you.

Regards
DL

I'm sorry you still seem to think that lives are worth the toss of a coin instead of rational thought. I'd rather not be the sort of "man" that you describe.
I have risked my life on more than one occasion to help people (that I didn't even know) survive life-threatening circumstances and I did that by using my training, skill, strength, and intelligence, not by using some ludicrous sense of adopted morality. But you go right ahead and hinge people's lives on your ridiculous code of morals.
.

Here is my basic code and question.

If ridiculous, tell us how else one gives sanctity to the family?

The real difference between liberals and conservatives: Jonathan Haidt on TED.com

Regards
DL

 

[karrie]

I knew you were too bright to bring it up to him as he is likely also bright enough to tell you what to do with the Captain Coward hat that you would have him wear?

After all, he was bright enough to choose you.

Regards
DL

I brought it up to him... he and I talk about virtually everything on this forum. It makes for interesting conversation.

But his view is beside the point, as it is HIS view, and you're not talking to him, you're talking to me. What his view is, what choices he makes, do not govern my choices and my life. Either you're on this forum asking the opinion of the forum members, or you're going to make up for yourself the viewpoints their spouses will make them adhere to. But, don't confuse yourself. If you're going to sit and make assumptions about a person you've never met who, for all you know, could be imaginary, rather than actually discuss with the people who are here giving you their opinions, your audience will be seriously limited. Because I for one have no inclination to sit around and be told what you think my husband should dictate to me.

 

[Sal]

Yeah, don't use your head, use your adopted sense of morals. F'n idiocy. And anyone with half a sense of self-worth shouldn't give two hoots about what others think.

IF -Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

one of my all time favorites

I think you start off with the weakest in the boat first and move forward according to circumstance. If things go sour, I have to go in the water over the young/strong whatever according to age and responsibility. Sex is not something that should be considered. Also, my partner would survive better without me than I would without him. There is little point in surviving only to be miserable, full of guilt, and regretful.

lmao...actually I am kinda surprised by my answer as I perceive myself as a survivor and he is more giving than I am...lol... learn something every day.

 

[French Patriot]

I brought it up to him... he and I talk about virtually everything on this forum. It makes for interesting conversation.

But his view is beside the point, as it is HIS view, and you're not talking to him, you're talking to me. What his view is, what choices he makes, do not govern my choices and my life. Either you're on this forum asking the opinion of the forum members, or you're going to make up for yourself the viewpoints their spouses will make them adhere to. But, don't confuse yourself. If you're going to sit and make assumptions about a person you've never met who, for all you know, could be imaginary, rather than actually discuss with the people who are here giving you their opinions, your audience will be seriously limited. Because I for one have no inclination to sit around and be told what you think my husband should dictate to me.

Thanks for confirming I was correct.
If I would have been wrong you would have told me.
I like your honesty.
Give my respect to your husband. He is a true man.

Regards
DL