“Wokeness” in Canada and elsewhere…

Tecumsehsbones

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I do hope her perspective employers don't do a social media search. I don't think "time blindness" is a condition protected by the charter. But if they do, I really don't care if she is employed or not.
"Prospective," and it's, like, a TOTALLY LEGIT disability! And the way. . . of my people!

I'm sure it's in the Charter someplace. Everything else is.
 

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Interesting culturally. There are cultures where "Indian time" is the norm. . . 45 minutes or so.

There is an upside. In most of those cultures, people also don't down tools at 5:00 on the dot.

It does say something about you an Boomster that you get a kick out of somebody

Interesting culturally. There are cultures where "Indian time" is the norm. . . 45 minutes or so.

There is an upside. In most of those cultures, people also don't down tools at 5:00 on the dot.

It does say something about you an Boomster that you get a kick out of somebody who's unhappy.
Seriously? OMG!
 

Ron in Regina

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“We strongly encourage applicants of all genders, ages, ethnicities, cultures, abilities, sexual orientations, and life experiences to apply,” reads the description for one such posting, a manager of community development.

But as per policy, any ethnicity or culture not meeting the guidelines had no chance. As per Davies’ report, a total of 84 white candidates applied for the five positions, only to have their applications rejected outright. In each instance, only non-white candidates advanced to the interview phase.

The B.C. Human Rights Code prohibits discriminatory hiring based on race or ancestry, but the Burnaby Public Library is one of several dozen organizations that have been granted a special exemption by the B.C. Human Rights Commissioner to openly deny employment to select demographic groups.

In an official description of the program, the Human Rights Commissioner writes that equal treatment is itself a form of discrimination, as “treating everyone the same can sometimes lead to discrimination against disadvantaged individuals or groups.” Etc…
 

Tecumsehsbones

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“We strongly encourage applicants of all genders, ages, ethnicities, cultures, abilities, sexual orientations, and life experiences to apply,” reads the description for one such posting, a manager of community development.

But as per policy, any ethnicity or culture not meeting the guidelines had no chance. As per Davies’ report, a total of 84 white candidates applied for the five positions, only to have their applications rejected outright. In each instance, only non-white candidates advanced to the interview phase.

The B.C. Human Rights Code prohibits discriminatory hiring based on race or ancestry, but the Burnaby Public Library is one of several dozen organizations that have been granted a special exemption by the B.C. Human Rights Commissioner to openly deny employment to select demographic groups.

In an official description of the program, the Human Rights Commissioner writes that equal treatment is itself a form of discrimination, as “treating everyone the same can sometimes lead to discrimination against disadvantaged individuals or groups.” Etc…
That's not unlawful at a National level?

Weird.
 
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Ron in Regina

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On Aug. 6, Ottawa’s Capital Pride released a pro Palestinian statement which likely garnered considerably more attention than its authors imagined it would. The statement vaguely attempted to call out all intolerance, including antisemitism, but could not hide the fact that it was itself decidedly antisemitic, though that irony was obviously lost on Capital Pride.

The reaction from local Jewish groups was understandably swift in their declaration they would give Ottawa Pride a pass. A more surprising reaction came from quarters recently rather acquiescent or silent on many things antisemitic. Ottawa’s mayor, the Ottawa-Carleton School board, local hospitals and even the Liberal Party of Canada withdrew from participation in the parade.

The descent of Pride and other allegedly progressive events and institutions into the murky waters of extremist left and activist politics has been underway for a while now and is not unique to Capital Pride (see CUPE Ontario president Fred Hahn for example). So, in many ways, the journey of Capital Pride to the terminus of antisemitism and support for a region where being gay is punishable by death is not altogether surprising, sad though it may be.

But let us take a step back from this single event and look at the larger picture and the dangers very apparently lurking. Indeed, the reaction to the Capital Pride statement could well turn out to be the canary in the coal mine of backlash against activist extremism and woke politics.

For years it has been de rigueur for politicians of all stripes to participate in Pride. Justin Trudeau and the Liberals often act like they love nothing more than a good Pride march. That Capital Pride is too far gone for the Liberals, who have been especially mealy-mouthed on support for Israel following the Oct. 7 attacks, and who never miss an opportunity to burnish their progressive credentials, should raise eyebrows everywhere. In particular, it should seriously worry Capital Pride, as well as all “progressive” organizations which embraced the scourge of woke identity politics and allowed fringe elements within their organizations to take control.
However, this should also worry centrist and fair-minded Canadians. Large public organizations and politicians turning away from Pride and its newfound extremism may be a good thing, but that turn can quickly devolve into vicious backlash and retaliation if we are not collectively careful.

Some may argue that many of the organizations first in line for a backlash have had it coming for a while now. After all, these are the organizations and people who hounded anyone who said women couldn’t have a penis out of a job, tarred innocent citizens as racist, who thought perhaps all lives did, in fact, matter, and generally created an environment of fear around the most salient cultural issues of the last decade. They deserve it, so goes this logic.

I do not disagree that there are people out there who, in the name of progress, displayed the worst and most vicious of behaviour towards anyone who did not agree with their extreme views. It is to be desired that they face consequences for having made the lives of others miserable or having cost blameless people their jobs. I, at any rate, will not shed a tear nor pity them if and when they finally met the sanction they deserve.

But in my desire to see the leaders of activist cancel culture brought to justice, I cannot help but look at the historical record of public retribution. It does not make for happy reading, as anyone who peruses French history circa 1794 can attest.

Retribution and backlash have never been precisely calibrated, scientific instruments. They are blunt tools, subject to wild swings and abuse by those who wield them. And, historically speaking, those who wield them tend to get a thrill out of revenge and reprisal.

This is the fear I have harboured for a while now: that the inevitable backlash against the insane and destructive scourge of activist identity politics would arrive and, when it came, the perpetrators would discover that they were a minority and, the majority now coming for them was not in a conciliatory mood. While minorities persecuting majorities is bad (as we have seen via cancel culture), a majority persecuting a minority, whatever they may have done, has the potential to be worse.

The most vehement and vocal adherents and actors in the culture wars of the past years have done enormous damage to both institutions and individuals. They have cost people their jobs, reputations and, in some cases, their lives. It is not unnatural to want to see such bad actors harmed as they harmed others. By doing so, however, those of us who have stood against the tidal wave of woke activism which threatened society, risk becoming the beasts we fought so hard to push back.

The Capital Pride debacle demonstrates the societal pendulum is swinging back, my fear is it will bludgeon indiscriminately and plunge us further into extreme societal divides.
 

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However, this should also worry centrist and fair-minded Canadians. Large public organizations and politicians turning away from Pride and its newfound extremism...

Extremism? Because they support Hama... oh, no, my bad, they support Palestinians... not Hamas.

But of course, Palestinians = Hamas always, right Ron?

Some may argue that many of the organizations first in line for a backlash have had it coming for a while now. After all, these are the organizations and people who hounded anyone who said women couldn’t have a penis out of a job,

Proof.

tarred innocent citizens as racist,

Proof.

who thought perhaps all lives did, in fact, matter,

LOL - thank you for displaying lack of understanding of BLM and the obsession over what it WASN'T.

and generally created an environment of fear around the most salient cultural issues of the last decade.

If you feared it, it's likely because you were part of the problem, not solutions.

They deserve it, so goes this logic.

No.

The ones who deserved it, aren't organizations that were meant to help support people who are in the 'minority', rather it's the extremists in those groups who reacted and pushed and just basically went overboard thinking their views equalled "better" that even the organizations. Who thought violence and retaliation were the way they had to do things because "now's the time to get back at them!"

I do not disagree that there are people out there who, in the name of progress, displayed the worst and most vicious of behaviour towards anyone who did not agree with their extreme views.

That's good.

It is to be desired that they face consequences for having made the lives of others miserable or having cost blameless people their jobs. I, at any rate, will not shed a tear nor pity them if and when they finally met the sanction they deserve.

Nor would many others, even in those organizations who support minorities.

But in my desire to see the leaders of activist cancel culture brought to justice,

*raises hand* Which leaders and what level of "activist"? Cause... there are some 'leaders' in 'activistism' who don't adhere to the extreme cancel culture you and yours like to say ALL organizations are into...

I cannot help but look at the historical record of public retribution. It does not make for happy reading, as anyone who peruses French history circa 1794 can attest.

Retribution and backlash have never been precisely calibrated, scientific instruments. They are blunt tools, subject to wild swings and abuse by those who wield them. And, historically speaking, those who wield them tend to get a thrill out of revenge and reprisal.

... so...

This is the fear I have harboured for a while now: that the inevitable backlash against the insane and destructive scourge of activist identity politics would arrive and, when it came, the perpetrators would discover that they were a minority

LMFAO!!

OMG!

Man, oh MAN this person has no goddamn clue; they almost come so close... and yet say shit like this and jump so far sideways a spooked horse is jealous.

Dear, those who will be on the receiving end of this backlash you fear, were ALWAYS the fucking minority, that's why the extremists were so fucking angry at the majority, and "took their chance" when they had it to "stick it to the man", as it were.


and, the majority now coming for them was not in a conciliatory mood. While minorities persecuting majorities is bad (as we have seen via cancel culture), a majority persecuting a minority, whatever they may have done, has the potential to be worse.

And regardless of it all, you don't really give a shit since the continual use of "Cancel culture" is just proving your ignorance to the reality of the situation.
The most vehement and vocal adherents and actors in the culture wars of the past years have done enormous damage to both institutions and individuals.

Yes, the vehement and vocal adherents and actors not only in the organizations, but also those who are "anti cancel culture" too.

They have cost people their jobs, reputations and, in some cases, their lives.

Yes, yes th... oh shit, you're talking about people who weren't part of the minority.

Oh well then, my bad.

It is not unnatural to want to see such bad actors harmed as they harmed others.

See, here you ALMOST get it.
By doing so, however, those of us who have stood against the tidal wave of woke activism

.... aaannnndddd you lost the 'plot'.

which threatened society, risk becoming the beasts we fought so hard to push back.

Yah, yah, bullshit. Lots of those people already WERE the beasts, you fucking idiot.

The Capital Pride debacle demonstrates the societal pendulum is swinging back, my fear is it will bludgeon indiscriminately and plunge us further into extreme societal divides.

Not that you give a shit, so long as those damned "culture, woke activism commies" get their share of the backlash they deserve!


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So until now, I hadn't really bothered with this bullshit because... despite being "part of the Community", I dislike a lot of Pride related stuff for various reasons. But after reading this, I went to look at the actual statement that Capitol Pride put out.

The issue is fucking STUPID.

It's stupid because people refused to read beyond the "We're standing with Palestine" bit, and refused to take in the parts before that, too.

I'll thank this person for being one of the cooler heads about the issue, whose words are everything I'm feeling about the topic (though without the swearing I want to throw in there) and wish more people were like them.

 
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Extremism? Because they support Hama... oh, no, my bad, they support Palestinians... not Hamas.

But of course, Palestinians = Hamas always, right Ron?



Proof.



Proof.



LOL - thank you for displaying lack of understanding of BLM and the obsession over what it WASN'T.



If you feared it, it's likely because you were part of the problem, not solutions.



No.

The ones who deserved it, aren't organizations that were meant to help support people who are in the 'minority', rather it's the extremists in those groups who reacted and pushed and just basically went overboard thinking their views equalled "better" that even the organizations. Who thought violence and retaliation were the way they had to do things because "now's the time to get back at them!"



That's good.



Nor would many others, even in those organizations who support minorities.



*raises hand* Which leaders and what level of "activist"? Cause... there are some 'leaders' in 'activistism' who don't adhere to the extreme cancel culture you and yours like to say ALL organizations are into...



... so...



LMFAO!!

OMG!

Man, oh MAN this person has no goddamn clue; they almost come so close... and yet say shit like this and jump so far sideways a spooked horse is jealous.

Dear, those who will be on the receiving end of this backlash you fear, were ALWAYS the fucking minority, that's why the extremists were so fucking angry at the majority, and "took their chance" when they had it to "stick it to the man", as it were.




And regardless of it all, you don't really give a shit since the continual use of "Cancel culture" is just proving your ignorance to the reality of the situation.


Yes, the vehement and vocal adherents and actors not only in the organizations, but also those who are "anti cancel culture" too.



Yes, yes th... oh shit, you're talking about people who weren't part of the minority.

Oh well then, my bad.



See, here you ALMOST get it.


.... aaannnndddd you lost the 'plot'.



Yah, yah, bullshit. Lots of those people already WERE the beasts, you fucking idiot.



Not that you give a shit, so long as those damned "culture, woke activism commies" get their share of the backlash they deserve!


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So until now, I hadn't really bothered with this bullshit because... despite being "part of the Community", I dislike a lot of Pride related stuff for various reasons. But after reading this, I went to look at the actual statement that Capitol Pride put out.

The issue is fucking STUPID.

It's stupid because people refused to read beyond the "We're standing with Palestine" bit, and refused to take in the parts before that, too.

I'll thank this person for being one of the cooler heads about the issue, whose words are everything I'm feeling about the topic (though without the swearing I want to throw in there) and wish more people were like them.

Wow....just wow.
 

Ron in Regina

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After a decade or so, progressives are on the defensive in Canada and elsewhere because regular people, as in those who are not activist weirdos, are tired of the agenda to control every aspect of our lives. Point this out to a progressive, and they will deny that anyone’s life is being interfered with and claim only some far-right monster would think otherwise. They can’t believe there are people out there who share a different view. They don’t understand how this could be.
Today, the culture wars are pitted between those who want to impose ever more restrictions on individuals and those who are tired of it.