Wisconsin Republicans - "No Room For Compromise"

[darkbeaver]

"They are monsters" these five per cent of our species who have made life on this planet hell for so many humans for such a long time. It's not like there's anything new about the present economic crisis in the world or America, history books are full of exactly the same fortune making decay for exactly the same reason. So the amoral five percent that guide the planet have to do some belt tightening that they are perpetually loath to do. The species has a hard decision to make. We desperately require a new covenant with ourselves. In a thread the other day someone said "there was no hell" well that five percent knows how to correct his thinking.

 

[ironsides]

Millions of Americans and Mexicans are going to be coming to Canada in search of opportunity. Canada will change in the process. That is the future.

Why would they?? More jobs, I don't think so. Better climate, no.

 

[BaalsTears]

Why would they?? More jobs, I don't think so. Better climate, no.

There is a Great Reckoning that is only now coming upon America. People will leave for Canada for a variety of reasons.

A greater degree of stability economically and politically. America is on the verge of financial collapse. Canada will be affected, but will not bear the full force of the fall.

In California state govt. is robbing local govts. in order to survive. There is ample proof of this. Infrastructure here is starting to crumble. The best public university system in the world, the UC system, is now becoming unaffordable, is now underfinanced, and will deteriorate in terms of quality.

Migration from Mexico is changing America. Canada is more like the way America once was. Govt. is cleaner in Canada. Education is better in Canada.

Criminals are being released from prisons in California now because they can't be housed in such numbers any more.

The judicial system is broken. I could go on and on. There is nothing to be gained by denying that people will always look for a better life.

 

[Cannuck]

Why would they?? More jobs, I don't think so. Better climate, no.

More jobs and a better climate. It may be colder in parts of Canada but hurricanes and tornadoes are no where near the problem they are in the states and besides, I'll take an Alberta winter over an Arizona summer any day.

 

[ironsides]

Millions of Americans and Mexicans are going to be coming to Canada in search of opportunity. Canada will change in the process. That is the future.

By your own calculation, Canada will be come just like America as if they aren't now 35 million will just be absorbed so start learning Spanish, it will be the second language.

I'll take an Alberta winter over an Arizona summer any day.

So would I.

 

[DaSleeper]

Question: Can those Wisconsin Democratic Senators that are hiding out of state be recalled by the voters?

 

[ironsides]

They can be dismissed by the governor for not doing their job, not to mention being recalled by a petition with x amount of signatures from their respective districts.

There is a Great Reckoning that is only now coming upon America. People will leave for Canada for a variety of reasons.

A greater degree of stability economically and politically. America is on the verge of financial collapse. Canada will be affected, but will not bear the full force of the fall.

In California state govt. is robbing local govts. in order to survive. There is ample proof of this. Infrastructure here is starting to crumble. The best public university system in the world, the UC system, is now becoming unaffordable, is now underfinanced, and will deteriorate in terms of quality.

Migration from Mexico is changing America. Canada is more like the way America once was. Govt. is cleaner in Canada. Education is better in Canada.

Criminals are being released from prisons in California now because they can't be housed in such numbers any more.

The judicial system is broken. I could go on and on. There is nothing to be gained by denying that people will always look for a better life.

One more thing please do not include California as part of the U.S. They are a whole different species.

 

[BaalsTears]

By your own calculation, Canada will be come just like America as if they aren't now 35 million will just be absorbed so start learning Spanish, it will be the second language.

Most Canadians live in a band of territory about 250 miles wide starting at the American border moving northward. Those folks will be changed. But it will take a couple of generations.

...One more thing please do not include California as part of the U.S. They are a whole different species.

Think North American Union. Si se peude.

...
So would I.

Have you ever been to Northern Arizona? It's not a desert. It's really nice.

Question: Can those Wisconsin Democratic Senators that are hiding out of state be recalled by the voters?

Yes if they have served in office for at least one year. Recall is in their future.

 

[Trotz]

Ironically, we need a Masters' and/or a PhD to teach to Highschool children in this country. However; in the United States, they have teachers with 2 year College Degrees bitching about their awesome job security and how, at $56,000 a year (in a rural community with few jobs) they are not being paid enough...


Obama is a moron, we have so many overqualified TA's and substitutes who otherwise would love to have a job. Not too late to fire those Wisconsin teachers.

I know if I were a teacher, I would sell my overpriced Vancouver Closet-Condo and buy a McMansion in Wisconsin.

There is a Great Reckoning that is only now coming upon America. People will leave for Canada for a variety of reasons.

A greater degree of stability economically and politically. America is on the verge of financial collapse. Canada will be affected, but will not bear the full force of the fall.

In California state govt. is robbing local govts. in order to survive. There is ample proof of this. Infrastructure here is starting to crumble. The best public university system in the world, the UC system, is now becoming unaffordable, is now underfinanced, and will deteriorate in terms of quality.

Migration from Mexico is changing America. Canada is more like the way America once was. Govt. is cleaner in Canada. Education is better in Canada.

Criminals are being released from prisons in California now because they can't be housed in such numbers any more.

The judicial system is broken. I could go on and on. There is nothing to be gained by denying that people will always look for a better life.

And, do you think the "ALLAH ACKBAR" East Indians, who are involved in 8/10 attacks on the LGBT community and are involved in corruption, are any better?

B.C. government deal with Basi-Virk needs to be aired

The Air India bombing comes to mind too. There's a good damn reason that the American Government is beginning to hate Canada and is talking about putting up an electrified fence.

Mexico might be the backdoor for Latino but Canada is the backdoor for Asian and Muslim Terrorists.

Anyway, import the "Third World" and you become the Third World, and it has nothing to do with race as otherwise I don't think we need Ukrainian and Russian Oligarchs coming here to play speculation on the housing market.

IMHO, we need to drop the skilled worker's program and the family reunification program and adopt a social immigration program. Force every immigrant to watch scenes of gay men kissing, two girls one cup, fat people eating pork sandwhiches and anyone who gags in disgust is thrown on the next plane out.
Maybe another test to weed out the businessmen who come here just to speculate and steal wealth from Canada.

 

[ironsides]

Less than one year ago, riots in Athens provided a distant, amusing spectacle for Americans an ocean away.
The Greek government, suffering a predictable debt crisis caused by years of budgetary recklessness and entitlement spending, requested a bailout from the European Union and International Monetary Fund, which conditioned relief on public spending reductions. Fueled by their sense of entitlement to other European taxpayers' money, Greeks subsequently took to the streets. To the rioting Greek bureaucrats, bloated salaries and benefits subsidized by other people's earnings were their human right, not greed or sloth.
Less than one year later, big labor and the insatiable liberal grievance community have brought Athens to our shores.

 

[earth_as_one]

The American wealthy elite have gained far more wealth and power at the expense of the disappearing American middle class. Eventually the US (and Canada if we aren't careful), will develop a class structure resembling Egypt. This extreme disparity is unstable and ultimately leads to violent revolution.

While most Americans have been manipulated into supporting changes to the system that remove their rights and freedoms for the benefit of the wealthy elite, eventually everyone will figure out that they have been screwed. Things haven't gotten desperate enough yet, but eventually this path of removing workers rights, making the working class uniformly poorer and poorer leads to food insecurity and hopelessness. Having no food for your children and a realization that your children are destined to live out hopeless lives, suddenly causes people to see reality with clarity. Violent revolution is the inevitable result when a desperately poor majority sees no benefit from the staus quo.

If wealthy powerful people want to live in a safe stable country, they have to share the wealth with the other classes. That's a lesson wealthy Egyptians are learning right now

 

[ironsides]

You don't share wealth unless the other so called classes can earn it. There can be a welfare class if you want, but they must understand they can only have what is needed to sustain a healthy life, no more with out earning it. That is all they are entitled to. We are not like the Egyptians, we never had a two class society like they and many European countries have. We will have problems because of these budget cuts this economic crisis calls for. The free ride is over. But we will not have problems on the scale of Egypt or N. Africa. You must understand that if there is no money, something must be cut (budget 101). Civil servants and Federal make much more than other workers who have to pay for their own retirement, health Benefits, they were not asked to pay it all, just a percentage.

 

[earth_as_one]

Speaking of free rides and welfare, what did Wall Street and the big banks do to earn hundreds of billions in bailout money?

I'm talking about the working poor which is a growing US demographic. If people have to bust their asses just to survive, how can they improve themselves when they have no time or money to invest in education? Providing a minimum living standard and free education isn't welfare. Its an investment which pays dividends as people become more productive and generate more wealth.

The wealthy elite control wealth. The working class creates creates wealth and their share is being reduced. What is going on is a redistribution of the wealth. The people who create it are getting less each year and the people who control it get more. This trend will continue until the working class figures out that they are getting screwed and revolts... just like Egypt.

Wealth inequality in the US has increased significantly since the 1970's and currently the US is about as unequal as Russia and Turkey and heading towards Egypt.

Data from the United States Department of Commerce and Internal Revenue Service indicate that income inequality has been increasing since the 1970s,[10][11][12][13][14] whereas it had been declining during the mid 20th century.[15][16] As of 2006, the United States had one of the highest levels of income inequality, as measured through the Gini index, among high income countries, comparable to that of some middle income countries such as Russia or Turkey,[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

Manipulated Americans have been convinced that getting screwed over is a good thing. Obviously some people in Wisconsin are finding out the hard way about where the neocons would like to take the US. Some of them are refusing to bend over. About time...

 

[ironsides]

If you are seriously busting you ass as you say,to make money, you are not a freeloader. As for free education, I am happy with free public education thru High School. As for Free University or College, that should only be available initially to those who have graduated high school with a B or higher average, All other pay your own way by graduating a 2 year (Junior college) and see if you can get those graded up to enter a 4 year university.

For the most part, the wealthy in our countries have pretty much earned every penny they have (not talking about Bill Gates types, just the upper average middle class). Many envy them, want to emulate them, then get a job. Most just sit around their home towns crying there are no jobs, of course there aren't, get off your fat lazy butts and move to where the jobs are.

I am not against giving something to someone, just would like them to make a real effort that they want it.


Wall Street, absolutly nothing, did they need it no? ?, did they make money from it? yes. Could we have afforded to let them fail? No

 

[taxslave]

The American wealthy elite have gained far more wealth and power at the expense of the disappearing American middle class. Eventually the US (and Canada if we aren't careful), will develop a class structure resembling Egypt. This extreme disparity is unstable and ultimately leads to violent revolution.

While most Americans have been manipulated into supporting changes to the system that remove their rights and freedoms for the benefit of the wealthy elite, eventually everyone will figure out that they have been screwed. Things haven't gotten desperate enough yet, but eventually this path of removing workers rights, making the working class uniformly poorer and poorer leads to food insecurity and hopelessness. Having no food for your children and a realization that your children are destined to live out hopeless lives, suddenly causes people to see reality with clarity. Violent revolution is the inevitable result when a desperately poor majority sees no benefit from the staus quo.

If wealthy powerful people want to live in a safe stable country, they have to share the wealth with the other classes. That's a lesson wealthy Egyptians are learning right now

Like most dedicated freeloading socialists you are grossly misreading the situation. This is not about a few rich. Rather it is about a bloated and inefficient bureaucracy that is getting far more than they are worth in both pay and bennies off the sweat of private sector employees and small business owners that can only dream of getting what government employees get now. Civil servants have forgotten who is the employer and who is the employee. They have the option of job cuts or reducing their take, but I bet the union leaders would rather the ones with the least seniority get fired and the ones at the top keep their excessive wealth.

 

[earth_as_one]

If you are seriously busting you ass as you say,to make money, you are not a freeloader. As for free education, I am happy with free public education thru High School. As for Free University or College, that should only be available initially to those who have graduated high school with a B or higher average, All other pay your own way by graduating a 2 year (Junior college) and see if you can get those graded up to enter a 4 year university.

For the most part, the wealthy in our countries have pretty much earned every penny they have (not talking about Bill Gates types, just the upper average middle class). Many envy them, want to emulate them, then get a job. Most just sit around their home towns crying there are no jobs, of course there aren't, get off your fat lazy butts and move to where the jobs are.

I am not against giving something to someone, just would like them to make a real effort that they want it.


Wall Street, absolutly nothing, did they need it no? ?, did they make money from it? yes. Could we have afforded to let them fail? No

More lies you've been told. Of course other choices were possible. The money could have bought every home about to foreclose. People could have stayed in their homes and paid rent to the government. Instead hundred of billions of government money went to subsidize banks seizing people's homes, driving drove down real estate assisting wealthy people who are currently buying.

Personally I was in favor of letting the banks fail, having the government step in, buy bank stock at penny stock prices to seize control. Then once the government took over a bank, it'd stop the foreclosures. Now that the government is the new owner of the house, it would be fair to charge the occupant rent and eventually sell their home back to them. Once the banks became solvent again, I'd sell stock at a premium over time, making a substantial profit, paying off the American debt The incompetent idiots that created the problem would be broke instead of the main beneficiaries and the working class would have kept their homes.

Like most dedicated freeloading socialists you are grossly misreading the situation. This is not about a few rich. Rather it is about a bloated and inefficient bureaucracy that is getting far more than they are worth in both pay and bennies off the sweat of private sector employees and small business owners that can only dream of getting what government employees get now. Civil servants have forgotten who is the employer and who is the employee. They have the option of job cuts or reducing their take, but I bet the union leaders would rather the ones with the least seniority get fired and the ones at the top keep their excessive wealth.

You believe a false manipulative narrative which has created sense of envy, jealousy and finally hatred towards public employees and unions. Of course I don't expect you to see this, since it would require seeing another perspective and you can only see one.

Its possible to see more than one perspective at the same time:

Describe what you see

 

[DaSleeper]

Like most dedicated freeloading socialists you are grossly misreading the situation. This is not about a few rich. Rather it is about a bloated and inefficient bureaucracy that is getting far more than they are worth in both pay and bennies off the sweat of private sector employees and small business owners that can only dream of getting what government employees get now. Civil servants have forgotten who is the employer and who is the employee. They have the option of job cuts or reducing their take, but I bet the union leaders would rather the ones with the least seniority get fired and the ones at the top keep their excessive wealth.

Not all unions are like that....In the early '70s, there was a glut of paper on the north american market...and the company proposed to shut down two out of four paper machines for two months and lay off half the employees.
Our union in turn proposed that the workers would work four hour shifts instead of eight and keep everyone working...The company accepted because it was also to their advantage since when you lay off someone, even temporarily some of them find work somewhere else and new people have to be retrained.

Turned out great for me, some of us got together...with shift exchange...work four shifts equaling 16 hours then 4 days off ice fishing.... and that year february and march were perfect that year.:smile:

 

[earth_as_one]

I support removing troublemakers from the main stream school system and putting them special "education" programs run by the armed forces, peace core, community and social services... People should be able to re-enter the education system at any time for free to improve themselves. Educational opportunities would be merit based of course. I support a unified education system from day care until neurosurgery training.

I support corporations hiring/firing and paying employees through the government. Everyone cashes their government issued check with the taxes/pension/medical/dental/ already deducted. No one should ever have to file a tax claim or worry about their social benefits.

If the company lays off the employee, the employee gets gradually reducing compensation from the government and is considered to be not working. Companies hire a new employee through the government. If someone wants to change employers, you contact the government. You never loose your seniority. The more years you work, the more vacation you get. You should never have to retire, but by the time everyone has worked for 35 years, you should be able to retire with a full pension.

Only people designated as emergency services (military, police, health...) should not be able to strike. Striking should be a last resort to a dispute. Everyone should have collective bargaining rights and a mechanism to apply pressure on their employer. The employers should have a mechanism to apply pressure right back. I support fines for the employer and reduced pay for the employee, while the two sides settle their dispute. The government profits at the expense of both sides and people continue to work until the dispute is settled.

Sounds terrible doesn't it? I must have horns growing out of my head to be on the side of the average person rather than wealthy people and corporations.

Describe what you see

I see an old hag.

I see a fashionable young lady.

 

[darkbeaver]

BREAKING: Wisconsin Police Have Joined Protest Inside State Capitol

You don't share wealth unless the other so called classes can earn it. There can be a welfare class if you want, but they must understand they can only have what is needed to sustain a healthy life, no more with out earning it. That is all they are entitled to. We are not like the Egyptians, we never had a two class society like they and many European countries have. We will have problems because of these budget cuts this economic crisis calls for. The free ride is over. But we will not have problems on the scale of Egypt or N. Africa. You must understand that if there is no money, something must be cut (budget 101). Civil servants and Federal make much more than other workers who have to pay for their own retirement, health Benefits, they were not asked to pay it all, just a percentage.

Excuse me, I don't recall what country you said you lived in. As soon as a country is occupied by private central banking it has a two class system. The wealthy and everyone else. Americans do not own the money they rent from private banks. As long as the US government has not owned and issued the currency in circulation it has not been and cannot be a democracy.

 

[taxslave]

Not all unions are like that....In the early '70s, there was a glut of paper on the north american market...and the company proposed to shut down two out of four paper machines for two months and lay off half the employees.
Our union in turn proposed that the workers would work four hour shifts instead of eight and keep everyone working...The company accepted because it was also to their advantage since when you lay off someone, even temporarily some of them find work somewhere else and new people have to be retrained.

Turned out great for me, some of us got together...with shift exchange...work four shifts equaling 16 hours then 4 days off ice fishing.... and that year february and march were perfect that year.:smile:

I have done the same in the forest industry. But at the same time(early 80s) some of the mill unions were dead set against this. So some mills closed for varying periods.I can also recall some permanent shutdowns because a union refused to give up a little. There are also a few examples of successful employee buy outs of mills. Odd how their unit costs dropped when everyone had a vested interest in making money. But we were talking primarily about government unions. Big difference. Also the union here in B.C. tend to be farther out in lala land than elsewhere. Layton would be considered on the right here.