Wisconsin Republicans - "No Room For Compromise"
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Just a basic observation. Why should an assembler in a non union shop have to pay say 10% of his income for healthcare, plus pay taxes so that a unionized government employee making the same salary gets free healthcare or pays 2-3% ?
Just what makes a union worker any better than a non unionized one?
Unions are great when there is money to go around, but now that we are on hard times everyone must cut back even unions.
By the way a teacher in the U.S. needs a Masters degree to hold a permanent teaching certificate. Not a two year Associate degree.
Just what makes a union worker any better than a non unionized one?
Unions are great when there is money to go around, but now that we are on hard times everyone must cut back even unions.
By the way a teacher in the U.S. needs a Masters degree to hold a permanent teaching certificate. Not a two year Associate degree.
I see where you can buy a Masters degree on line, no studying, no waiting. Judging by the caliber of graduates from high schools in north America, I would say that many teachers are buying their degrees on line.
Many people are buying advanced degrees online, not just teachers. All you need for a masters degree is about 60 credits beyond your bachelor.
Just what makes a non-union worker any worse that a unionized one? I support increasing compensation for non-unionized workers.
Do you seriously believe that our problems would be solved if our collective wealth was redistributed so that the wealthy elite get more and the working class gets less? If you want a pay cut to make your employer wealthier, please let your employer know and I'm sure they'd be willing to accommodate you.
Your statement "now that we are on hard times, everyone must cut back" appears not to include everyone. You place the entire burden of cutting back on unionized workers rather than everyone. Maybe the wealthy elite should have to cut back too, but instead they get tax breaks and subsidies.
Since the 1970's, the wealthy elite pay less and less taxes, while the working class has been getting shafted over and over, with the support of manipulated idiots. Its time the working class stop stabbing each other in the back and unify to demand an end to the tax breaks and subsidies for the wealthy. The more wealth you have, the more taxes you should pay. If you live at or below the poverty line, you should be a tax beneficiary, not a tax payer.
Better? I guess you could call them "better" for negotiating a sweeter deal for themselves (if that is what your definition of better is)
That's what negotiations are all about. What, exactly, should be cut back?
Unions served their purpose back in the 1940's thru 1950's just bringing the workers up to a livable wage. Since the 1960's professional people started getting greedy and joined or formed their own unions. Now those unions (not the members) have more money than some countries, union management making 6 figure salaries from member dues or taxpayers. Unions are a greedy left over from our industrialized past. I have no argument with who pays the taxes that support unions, just who is benefiting and it is not the tax payer. It has been the middle class, not the poor or rich who are literally being screwed by unions and the government.
So far the only thing I can see the governor wanting to do is have unionized workers pay a percentage of their healthcare benefits. The state would also like to take away collective bargaining which would ruin the unions. I don't think that stands a chance of happening.
Union workers aren't better off than they were in the 70's. Their wealth has been eroded too. All of America's middle class have seen pay and benefit reductions and their lost wealth has been redistributed to the wealthy.
Poverty and government deficits will not be reduced by cutting working class pay and benefits or reducing the taxes for the wealthy.
You've been manipulated into thinking unions are the problem, when the real problem is millions of manipulated idiots who support the interests of the wealthy rather than their own interests.
Tax cuts and subsidies for the rich, shifting the tax burden towards the middle class, running up deficits and reduced pay, benefits and social services are the root causes of rising poverty in the US:
The Obama tax cut framework hasn’t yet been signed into law, but here’s an early scorecard of winners and losers:
Winners
* Republicans: They got everything they wanted–extension of all Bush-era tax cuts; payroll tax reduction; estate tax exemption level at $5 million. I wouldn’t really count the extension of unemployment benefits as a give, because after last week’s employment report, there was no way that even the staunchest of Republicans could vote against that in the end…
* Top Wage Earners: Not only do they get an extension of the Bush-era tax cuts that benefited them far more than the middle or lower class, they also will see a reduction of payroll taxes that will amount to an extra $2,136 next year
* Wealthy and Retired: The biggest concerns of this group have always been the tax on capital gains/dividends and the estate tax–chalk up wins in both categories. The top rate on capital gains and dividends will be capped at 15 percent and the estate tax is a bonanza–the exemption limit rises to $5 million per person (it was set to decrease to $1 million as of January 1) and the tax rate will drop to 35 percent from the 55 percent that would have occurred on New Year’s Day
* Middle Income Taxpayers: Tax rates stay the same and the two percent decrease in payroll tax will save a $50,000 wage earner approximately $1,000 a year. Throw in the college and child tax credits, plus changes to the AMT, and the middle does pretty well
* Some Unemployed workers: The 13-month extension of unemployment benefits will not help the “99ers,” but it will extend the qualification dates for existing tiers
* Businesses: Companies can expense 100 percent of new investments, including plant and equipment expenditures
* Stock Market: Investors like certainty, especially in the form of low capital gains and dividend income tax rates. Expect to see a drop-off in year-end tax selling now that rates are locked in at low levels for another two years
Losers
* Deficit Hawks: At a two-year cost of nearly $900 billion, those who stay up at night worrying about the nation’s debt problems will need to grab the Ambien.
* Liberal Base of Democratic Party: Bitterness, betrayal and disbelief were the early descriptions. It’s going to be a long two years for this group…
* Bond Market: If the economy grows a little bit more as a result of the tax cuts, bonds will likely suffer. Then again, most would probably vote for a growing economy vs. low yields
* All taxpayers (eventually): Remember that deficit commission? Down the road, we can all kiss these tax breaks goodbye
* Estate Tax Attorneys: There just aren’t that many estates that are valued over $5 million. It looks like the standard will, power of attorney and health care proxy are all the documents necessary for most American families
Obama Tax Cuts: Winners and Losers - CBS MoneyWatch.com
Poverty and government deficits will not be reduced by cutting working class pay and benefits or reducing the taxes for the wealthy.
You've been manipulated into thinking unions are the problem, when the real problem is millions of manipulated idiots who support the interests of the wealthy rather than their own interests.
Tax cuts and subsidies for the rich, shifting the tax burden towards the middle class, running up deficits and reduced pay, benefits and social services are the root causes of rising poverty in the US:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html
The Obama tax cut framework hasn’t yet been signed into law, but here’s an early scorecard of winners and losers:
Winners
* Republicans: They got everything they wanted–extension of all Bush-era tax cuts; payroll tax reduction; estate tax exemption level at $5 million. I wouldn’t really count the extension of unemployment benefits as a give, because after last week’s employment report, there was no way that even the staunchest of Republicans could vote against that in the end…
* Top Wage Earners: Not only do they get an extension of the Bush-era tax cuts that benefited them far more than the middle or lower class, they also will see a reduction of payroll taxes that will amount to an extra $2,136 next year
* Wealthy and Retired: The biggest concerns of this group have always been the tax on capital gains/dividends and the estate tax–chalk up wins in both categories. The top rate on capital gains and dividends will be capped at 15 percent and the estate tax is a bonanza–the exemption limit rises to $5 million per person (it was set to decrease to $1 million as of January 1) and the tax rate will drop to 35 percent from the 55 percent that would have occurred on New Year’s Day
* Middle Income Taxpayers: Tax rates stay the same and the two percent decrease in payroll tax will save a $50,000 wage earner approximately $1,000 a year. Throw in the college and child tax credits, plus changes to the AMT, and the middle does pretty well
* Some Unemployed workers: The 13-month extension of unemployment benefits will not help the “99ers,” but it will extend the qualification dates for existing tiers
* Businesses: Companies can expense 100 percent of new investments, including plant and equipment expenditures
* Stock Market: Investors like certainty, especially in the form of low capital gains and dividend income tax rates. Expect to see a drop-off in year-end tax selling now that rates are locked in at low levels for another two years
Losers
* Deficit Hawks: At a two-year cost of nearly $900 billion, those who stay up at night worrying about the nation’s debt problems will need to grab the Ambien.
* Liberal Base of Democratic Party: Bitterness, betrayal and disbelief were the early descriptions. It’s going to be a long two years for this group…
* Bond Market: If the economy grows a little bit more as a result of the tax cuts, bonds will likely suffer. Then again, most would probably vote for a growing economy vs. low yields
* All taxpayers (eventually): Remember that deficit commission? Down the road, we can all kiss these tax breaks goodbye
* Estate Tax Attorneys: There just aren’t that many estates that are valued over $5 million. It looks like the standard will, power of attorney and health care proxy are all the documents necessary for most American families
Obama Tax Cuts: Winners and Losers - CBS MoneyWatch.com
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United we stand divided we fall. That ethic is as old as mankind. How is it you still have to ask why and what? You speak as if you would risk everything to grasp the golden ring, every banker knows how to play that mistaken thinking to advantage.
You want to change things you'll have to unite with the like minded or alone you'll be ground to dust by the system. But the banker has convinced you that the individual is everything when in fact the individual is next to nothing. While there is money to go around millions of people still starve to death every day. The money supply is tightened by the bankers it makes guys like you cave to them every time. Unite and fight or get out of the way of the brave, the workplace is not for soft flakey cavers.
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So, in other words, cut their pay. I personally don't know a single person on an hourly wage or salaried that has taken a cut in pay. Why should unionized folks?
Politicians who are against binding arbitration are giving up a lot, they know they won't be getting any donations from the unions. Binding arbitration should be outlawed at least the way it is done today. These Federal or Teachers unions collect dues from members, then use those dues to support politicians who sit on boards that approve or disapprove what benefits they get during binding arbitration. Public service union employees have had a monopoly over the non union worker who have no rights to binding arbitration for years, yet these non union employees pay taxes that support the unions. The unions are a corrupt group of people who produce nothing yet receive high salaries for managing the real workers who due to union protection are most likely less productive than their non union counter parts. Unions have outlived their usefulness, especially when we cannot afford the luxuries of having them anymore. We have laws to keep business in line.
That's fine....ban corporate donations as well.
We did it in Canada.
Here's why.
YouTube - Gov. Scott Walker (R) to Hand Wisconsin Power Plants to Koch Industries? (Feb 23, 2011 - NBC)
I'm sure you are outraged.
Your right, I agree that I agree that public sector unions should be crushed for the reasons I previously stated. I am perfectly fine with private sector unions and them contributing to whom ever they want.
I see.
You also support private influence over public policy....ie lobby goups and politicians being entertained by billionaires with agendas.
Guess the tea bagger movement is dead afterall.
Interesting that socialist Canada did away with union and corporate money being funneled to political parties......and it was Liberal that did it.
Yes I do support private influence over public policy, after all the government works for the public, not the other way around. To bad about Canada, that is one main reason I like America and I am not a socialist.
No, you are someone who speaks up for the interests of wealthy powerful people over your own.... and darned proud of it...
God Bless America and Apple Pie!
OLIGARCH
God Bless America and Apple Pie!
OLIGARCH
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No, you are someone who speaks up for the interests of wealthy powerful people over your own.... and darned proud of it...
God Bless America and Apple Pie!
OLIGARCH
He may be a wealthy powerful person or he thinks they will make him one when the stench of burning bodies and the smoke clears. They always find those who will off granny for the greater good, their own.
I am against what my governor is trying to do also. My opinions are not in favor of "if it is Republican it must be good". So far voting Rick Scott in as governor was a mistake.
Two Florida senators just sued Gov. Rick Scott in the Florida Supreme Court to stop him from killing a Tampa-Orlando bullet train.
Arthenia Joyner, D-Tampa, and Republican Thad Altman of Melbourne said Scott had over-stepped his authority by rejecting the project, which received a green light after a December 2009 special legislative session about passenger rail. The lawsuit would force Scott to accept about $2.4 billion in federal transit money for the high-speed rail plan.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/01/2091707/senators-file-suit-against-gov.html#
Two Florida senators just sued Gov. Rick Scott in the Florida Supreme Court to stop him from killing a Tampa-Orlando bullet train.
Arthenia Joyner, D-Tampa, and Republican Thad Altman of Melbourne said Scott had over-stepped his authority by rejecting the project, which received a green light after a December 2009 special legislative session about passenger rail. The lawsuit would force Scott to accept about $2.4 billion in federal transit money for the high-speed rail plan.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/01/2091707/senators-file-suit-against-gov.html#
Let me just get this straight.
You don't support a government for the people by the people.
You support a government that is controled by the highest bidder.
Wow, you're whacked.