Wiebo Ludwig Passes-Did He Have the Last Laugh?
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That is so far aside from the point.
The US doesn't manage its use of fracking very well, and there have been instances of frack jobs polluting water tables. But that doesn't mean it's the culprit behind all the complaints. It also doesn't mean that the acceptable solution is to go attempt to blow up your neighbours' husbands at work.
The hypoccrisy behind using the internet so heavily, and excusing terrorist attacks on the men and women who supply the petroleum necessary to provide you with the energy and computers necessary to do so, is surely damaging to a person.
btw, neg rep me all you want.... it's all you can do... you can't possibly make a valid argument that will convince me that terrorism against your neighbours and communities is a propductive or acceptable way to deal with disagreeing with policy.
I have heard and read many reports from many different sources. Mainstream media, the government and the oil companies have done a fine job of demonizing Ludwig, much of the info has been hearsay and innuendo. I wasn't there but I have seen enough evidence to put most of the charges against him in the questionable category. It doesn't make any sense that someone with such a high public profile and highly outspoken opinion about the problems with the oil industry would do something so stupid as to get himself on the wrong side of the law. I also know people who know him, who have interviewed him and they say he was too intelligent to do such things. They are trusted sources and they say he was framed to shut him up.
So, no I don't condone violence of any kind that harms or puts in harms way any living thing. I have doubts that Ludwig did most of the things people accuse him of. Our own government is responsible for far more atrocities in our name and yet people still believe their BS.
Even if Ludwig didn't plant the bombs, If your words inspire somebody to be a terrorist then you too are a terrorist.
I would never criticize someone for needing to heat their home despite bad policy. I'd never criticize someone for driving an automobile to keep their job despite bad policy.
But, owning a computer is not 'necessary'... it's a want, a luxury. The internet is a luxury. And it's all reliant on petro.
Now... express your disgust at policy, fight the law makers, push for environmental controls... hell yes. Just don't tell me that terrorism on Canadian soil is an acceptable recourse. Because I can guarantee that when it's happening in your back yard when your father is out on well sites that have been rigged with explosives, when your husband is out on a rig site that's being shot at, when your little brother is mourning the death of a friend because the whole fray has hit such a boiling point that 16 year old girls are in the cross fire... you will NOT feel that terrorism is an acceptable answer.
He made no secret within the communities that his compound was behind it. That's the beauty of being a cult leader.... you actually ARE typically innocent of what happens (at least in your own mind), because you've sent someone else to do it. No one has accused him of being dumb.
then many Christian and Muslim leaders are terrorists. The same can be said about many black and white leaders. The bible and the Quran have inspired the deaths of hundreds of millions over the millennium. I guess we should jail them all.
Starting from 0 and moving on to 1 or two on the rectum scale is moving forward but it ain't close to arrival.
My point was, because of Wiebo, the oil companies have started to move....slowly, but they have started. Wiebo has had a positive impact. It certainly wasn't a sudden idea on the part of the oil companies.
Yup. Who ever planted those bombs should have planted them under the CEO's collective asses instead of jeopardizing the workers in the field.
Wiebo was guilty as hell. Check the well site and see how close they are to populated areas. Blow them at night - people would not have a chance with the right wind direction. And I am referring to his other convictions. Not the last batch of explosions.
Not corruption but an atmosphere of incompetence aided by an old boys club that revolved around people who had come up through the company working in SE Alberta (the shallow, low pressure gas on CFB Suffield, etc). Once Randy Eresman became the CEO, technical excellence in asset integrity and environmental practices became a minor tertiary concern amid a culture where upper management encouraged employees to "challenge the regulations and the regulators"... even in cases where there was sound engineering principles, practice and history behind them. I decided to look for a new job rather than work for a bunch of incompetant schmucks who were making money primarily because they were lucky that the Alberta gov't had given them some pretty sweet deals on land when they formed the company.
But that corporate restructuring occurred after Ludwig was already in jail. While Ludwig was doing his thing, AEC's West business unit was probably the most diligent energy company in Canada when it came to deal with issues involving sour production and prevention of leaks.
This is the voice of ignorance on several levels. I'll just deal with the main one. In short, the major problem with fraccing is that some companies don't know how to deal with the fluids: they try to short cut things and just dump flowback and excess fluids rather than go the more expensive route of disposing of them properly. Hydraulic fracturing doesn't have the force to bust through the layers of strata. The real culprit of communication between formations is improper cementing, which can be remediated, although it is hard to prove where it is an issue, in order to target the appropriate wells.
You're wrong: many oil and gas companies tried to avoid issues with landowners long before Ludwig, simply because pissed off landowners make it more difficult (through various appeal processes) and expensive (!) to obtain surface rights for leases to drill on and build facilities on and rights of way to build pipelines. If anything, Ludwig set the evolution of energy companies back through his antics and adversarial stance and encouragement of others to follow his lead.
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When the bottom line is the measuring stick of capitalism, the lowest common denominator is level of competence expected. Capitalism and the so called democracies of the west have been taken over by accountants and they have only one thing on their mind. And that is why fracking is a cluster phuk.
Not really,if theres gas in the ground it will come out eventually anyways,might as well frack the well and get it all.
Fracking is the least of anyones worries where the environment is concerned but a lot of peeps love jumping on that band wagon michael moore style to protest against the "man"
Oh, so in other words, there never are any issues or problems, and there are no pissed off landowners (or neighbors) in all of Alberta, and the problems are all an invention of the wackos.
That's good to know, Wiebo made everything up, and all oil companies are perfect.
I can tell you this,anytime they frack a well the water at that level is not something you would want to drink before fracking and as far as Wiebo being some hero,he was a terrorist that tried to kill innocent people to push his agenda.He didnt make oil companies be more environmentally responsible,science did.
Farmers pollute way more of the earth then any oil companies right now,they dont need permits for anything.
Farmers pollute way more of the earth then any oil companies right now,they dont need permits for anything.
No. Stop being like the partisan pundits and admit there is some middle ground on issues, not the polar extremes. There are pissed off landowners that have valid gripes. There are energy companies that are run by total sh*theels and reflect the personality traits. There are energy companies that don't and didn't always treat landowners like crap, even before Wiebo Ludwig made his unsubstantiated claims. There is also a regulatory body, known as the ERCB (formerly the AEUB and before that the ERCB), part of whose mandate is to ensure land owners are treated fairly by the energy industry. Now I am not saying the system is perfect and that everyone always gets a fair deal but most of the time they do.
And yes, I do contend that Ludwig's claims are garbage, based on my personal knowledge of the situation and because he steadfastly refused to let anyone do a scientific investigation into the issues that could lend any credence to his assertions.