Why leaving Canada makes sense for Alberta, and U.S. would likely welcome a new state

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Maybe its time to put Alberta under military governance until the oil sands are fully nationalized, primary oil processing is brought under public (federal) and the Western Separatists are shipped on mass south of the border.

I mean they are such weaklings and wimps. They sputter off at mouth and are too gutless to put their asses on the line to fight for their cause (which would inevitably lead to their 'martyrdom'). I mean why worry about such non entities. Pick up a gun and take on the Princess Pats or shut the f*** up.

Sorry pal, when Quebec tried to separate the Supreme Court of Canada ruled the right to secede under Canadian law. They set precedence, have a nice day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_Re_Secession_of_Quebec#Right_to_secede_under_Canadian_law

Oh yeah and remember what Justin Trudeau said about the Arctic dispute with Russia and Denmark, "we will let the Bureaucrats decide." There won't be any pushback from Justine.

Alberta as the 51st State, enjoy the Fourth of July in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIdyoTpMUVg
 
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Maybe its time to put Alberta under military governance until the oil sands are fully nationalized, primary oil processing is brought under public (federal) and the Western Separatists are shipped on mass south of the border.

I mean they are such weaklings and wimps. They sputter off at mouth and are too gutless to put their asses on the line to fight for their cause (which would inevitably lead to their 'martyrdom'). I mean why worry about such non entities.

Pick up a gun and take on the Princess Pats or get a life and shut the f*** up.


Do you have ANY operating brain cells?


Western separatists shipped "on mass? You mean a couple of greyhound busses?
 

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Sorry pal, when Quebec tried to separate the Supreme Court of Canada ruled the right to secede under Canadian law. They set precedence, have a nice day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_Re_Secession_of_Quebec#Right_to_secede_under_Canadian_law

Hah.. we should arrest the judicial tyrants of the SCOC and reverse the totality of their rulings under the disastrous Charter of Rights and Freedoms and rescind it.

It has been a debacle since its inception, clogging the courts with inane litigation in the interests of radical individualism, moral relativism, cultural fragmentation, sexual or material gratification absent any moral or social responsibility to the community of Canada.

A Charter of this type is an anathema to a Parliamentary system.. which doesn't have the checks and balances to control it. As we have seen with the SCOC.. absolute power corrupts.. absolutely.

Don't have any doubt that separation means civil war... that has been the lesson of history. No confederation has ever voluntarily disassembled itself without a fight. There is NO right to secede.. you'll have to fight your way out.

And the treasonous little farts on the Supreme Court won't have a thing to say about it.
 
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Harper isn't "coming back". He will, possibly, finish this term as an MP and then retire. I'm sure that the reaction of the people when Prentice lost the Alberta election has a bit to do with him just stepping down as Leader of the CPC and not stepping down from his seat as well.

You probably know more about it than I do, Ger. If he was smart he'd just grab the pension & head for sunny climes.
 

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Do you have ANY operating brain cells?

Western separatists shipped "on mass? You mean a couple of greyhound busses?

You really are thick in the head, I guess that's why you're as slow as Mental Loss.

The WildRose Party which is the official opposition is Alberta is a Separtist Party.

Do they want to actually separate, probably not. I'm sure they would rather have more powers, similar to Quebec and more autonomy away from Ottawa. (This is what I want for Alberta, NOT separation. If Alberta separates, I lose $100,000 + that day)
 

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You really are thick in the head, I guess that's why you're as slow as Mental Loss.

The WildRose Party which is the official opposition is Alberta is a Separtist Party.


What ever you say boomie.

Do they want to actually separate, probably not. I'm sure they would rather have more powers, similar to Quebec and more autonomy away from Ottawa. (This is what I want for Alberta, NOT separation. If Alberta separates, I lose $100,000 + that day)


of course you would.
 

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And one no PM since Trudeau has even thought about changing, including Alberta's own Harper.



It could have voted for separation. It didnt. They had two opportunities and the separatists failed both times. Had nothing to do with money.

If money is more important to a person than their country - well, they are a special kind of pond scum.

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Why leaving Canada makes sense for Alberta, and U.S. would likely welcome a new state



U.S. forecaster Peter Zeihan, a former geopolitical analyst with the security firm Stratfor, has spent his career trying to predict the future of tumultuous states — recently, he’s turned his gaze to North America. Now, his latest book, The Accidental Superpower, takes a bleak look at the direction of the world in general. Among his speculations, the future of Alberta in Canada. He spoke to the Post‘s Jen Gerson.

Q Tell me about your book as a whole?

A The global system as we understand it is highly artificial. The United States created it after the Second World War to fight the Cold War. We introduced this concept of free trade that allowed anyone we were friendly with to trade with anyone else we were friendly with — the U.S. guaranteed the security of the oceans, it would open its markets, it would patrol the Middle East and make sure energy could get to where it needed to go. Before, you had competing empires fighting for resources and markets. The American system expanded peace and prosperity throughout the world in a way the human race had never experienced before. But we did it to contain the Soviet Union. Since the Cold War ended, the U.S. has been withdrawing from that system.

Q Why?

A Two big things. The first is shale oil — the U.S. will be energy independent by the end of 2016. Shale is severing the strongest link between us in North America and the rest of the world. The Middle East is becoming someone else’s problem.

The second piece is demographics. The percentage of Americans who are baby boomers is smaller than the equivalent cohort elsewhere. Every other country (except New Zealand) has a much larger population hitting mass retirement, and you’ve got all the financial problems that come with that.

Q Amid this interesting geopolitical shift, you devote a chapter to Alberta’s possible secession.

A Canada’s demographic situation is similar to the rest of the developed world — a large population moving toward retirement and hardly any young people in the replacement generation coming up.

However, Alberta does not fit that mould. It is the youngest province, and is becoming younger, better paid and more highly skilled as the rest of Canada becomes older and less skilled, and a ward of the state financially.

The other piece is, of course, energy. British Columbia has been hostile to Alberta’s efforts to diversity oil exports and the Atlantic is more than 2,000 miles away.

But really, it comes down to demographics. Right now, every man, woman and child in Alberta pay $6,000 more into the national budget than they get back. Alberta is the only province that is a net contributor to that budget — by 2020, the number will exceed $20,000 per person, $40,000 per taxpayer. That will be the greatest wealth transfer in per capita terms in the Western world. The only other place we see things like that is in Saudi Arabia, where the oil-producing regions subsidize the rest of the country.



Q Secession has been a dirty political word in Alberta for several years, with politicians rumoured to be secret secessionists. That talk died down when the Harper Conservatives were elected — when a group of people who came out of the Alberta mould assumed power.

A On Stephen Harper’s watch, Alberta’s tax bill has basically tripled. This is going on while you have a federal government that is pro-Alberta.

From my point of view, it doesn’t matter if it’s this government, the next government, or the one after. The demographic trends are locked in. If you get a government in Ottawa that isn’t Conservative, isn’t born, bred, raised and trained in Alberta, what do you think they’re going to be doing to the tax policies?

Q So this is a conversation about secession to the U.S.?

A Alberta as an independent country doesn’t solve a huge number of problems. If it left Canada, its currency goes through the roof because all it has is oil exports, and that would drive agriculture out of business. It would be a one-horse economy in a very short time.

Seceding to the U.S. becomes the only political and economic option. If you do that, the inflation issue goes away, the tax problem goes away, the security problem goes away. Alberta gets everything it says it wants out of Canada within the first year of joining the U.S.

Seceding to the U.S. becomes the only political and economic option
Q Do you think the Americans would have us?

A Americans have a reputation for being ignorant and short-sighted, but I would be stunned if there was a single person in Congress who would think this a bad idea. If you bring Alberta into the country, the U.S. becomes technically energy independent overnight. I would expect ratification of the expansion to sail through Congress in a matter of hours.

Q In Alberta, the numbers and logic might make sense, but politically and culturally it still seems to be a huge stretch to think Albertans would seriously consider this.

A I’m a forecaster. My job is to look at the trends of how the world works. Comfort makes people a little more passive and Canada is a comfortable place. Because secession is legal, Albertans are going to have to think about this — that doesn’t mean they will seriously consider it. But a $40,000 per taxpayer bill every year, that’s a bit of a motivator.

source: Why leaving Canada makes sense for Alberta, and U.S. would likely welcome a new state | National Post

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This is now even a bigger question now that Canada has a leader that has made it clear he does not like Alberta.

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are you a sh it disturber too?
 

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What would Alberta look like as an independent nation? Would we be able to get by?

We wouldn't just get by, we'd flourish! If Alberta were to separate today, we'd be the third richest nation in the world measured by GDP per capita - just behind Qatar and Luxembourg.

It doesn't feel like it when we are sending $50 Billion to Ottawa each year in taxes.

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What would Alberta look like as an independent nation? Would we be able to get by?

We wouldn't just get by, we'd flourish! If Alberta were to separate today, we'd be the third richest nation in the world measured by GDP per capita - just behind Qatar and Luxembourg.

It doesn't feel like it when we are sending $50 Billion to Ottawa each year in taxes.

Alberta Freedom Party

Are you saying these oil tycoons shouldn't be paying income tax?
 

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Are you saying these oil tycoons shouldn't be paying income tax?


Right now, people living 3,500 km away from Alberta in Ontario and Quebec have more power to enact laws that affect Alberta than Albertans do.

We want to end Ottawa control over Alberta by becoming an autonomous country of our own. We will still keep relations with the rest of Canada because we love the rest of Canada. We just want to have self-government and have control over our own laws, taxation, immigration, and finances.

Even once we are an autonomous nation, Albertans will still be Canadian in the same way that the Swiss are still European. But, like the Swiss, we would be in control of our own government, and the laws that affect us.

"We, the people of Alberta, declare it our own will to be in full possession of all the powers of a state; to levy all our taxes, to vote on all our laws, to sign all our treaties and to exercise the highest power of all, conceiving, and controlling, by ourselves, our fundamental law."

We would be 100% Autonomous. All taxes would go towards Alberta. Alberta law would be created by Albertans. We would create diplomatic relations and trade agreements with other nations.

We would be in charge of our own destiny.

 

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Right now, people living 3,500 km away from Alberta in Ontario and Quebec have more power to enact laws that affect Alberta than Albertans do.

We want to end Ottawa control over Alberta by becoming an autonomous country of our own. We will still keep relations with the rest of Canada because we love the rest of Canada. We just want to have self-government and have control over our own laws, taxation, immigration, and finances.

Even once we are an autonomous nation, Albertans will still be Canadian in the same way that the Swiss are still European. But, like the Swiss, we would be in control of our own government, and the laws that affect us.

Good thinking!