Why are many Christians so intolerant of other religions and spiritual paths?
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frankly Goob I have to say, that kind of shocks me coming from you....
I wasn't surprised to see the comment, but I was surprised it was you....just saying...that is a huge thing to say to someone, in my mind...huge
or perhaps you were being facetious given the topic and I missed it ??
I find that everybody is intolerant of other faiths, non faiths, cultures, non cultures, bacon hates ham, potatoes hate rice, dogs against cats, right against left. I once wrestled an anaconda for three hours before I realized I was masturbating.
When he has posted burning the Pope. When he has posted his hate for other religions and that includes sect within Christianity.
I would say it to the mans face - haters hate, and I have little regard for them.
My faith tells me I gotta love them, does not mention a word about liking them.
Did not mean to shock you but I appreciate your comment for how it was meant, and where it came from within.
Your opinion is not only valued but I also respect it.
Baby anaconda.
Oh yeah, size ain't worth a crap. Right.
I never said baby anaconda. Damn it.
meh, it's all good Goob, it really did surprise me but hey, it's Monday.
the respect is mutual... thanks Goob.
There is no other religion than Christianity in the world sine the verse below was first spoken by God and from what I get from it there isn't any Gentile that is not covered. That doesn't mean there aren't different Churches, there are 7 Churches that God recognizes (and it is His book so ...) and He spells it out in the 7 letters. Each of the 7 Churches has believers and sinners in it and the book says that the time which side you are on is when the day comes that the 7th trump sounds. Based on those qualities is it easier to see how God sees hate being manifest between members of the same Church, that same method would also apply your faith that clarifies just how that is done.
Re:1:7:
Behold,
he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so,
Amen.
Re:19:11-19:
And I saw heaven opened,
and behold a white horse;
and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True,
and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire,
and on his head were many crowns;
and he had a name written,
that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood:
and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses,
clothed in fine linen,
white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword,
that with it he should smite the nations:
and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:
and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written,
KING OF KINGS,
AND LORD OF LORDS.
And I saw an angel standing in the sun;
and he cried with a loud voice,
saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven,
Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
That ye may eat the flesh of kings,
and the flesh of captains,
and the flesh of mighty men,
and the flesh of horses,
and of them that sit on them,
and the flesh of all men,
both free and bond,
both small and great.
And I saw the beast,
and the kings of the earth,
and their armies,
gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse,
and against his army.
You must be from a different faith then because the Church is given the role of administering to itself. Failure to do that only sees those people judged to be friends of the sinners unless certain conditions are met.
1Co:5:11-13:
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.
1Co:15:49-54:
And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Now this I say, brethren,
that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold,
I shew you a mystery;
We shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed,
In a moment,
in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption,
and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory.
How do I know that isn't a 40ft bowl.Baby anaconda.
Oh yeah, size ain't worth a crap. Right.
A direct contradiction of what Christ taught. This is why I say Saul is full of shyte and putting his own prejudices into his letters.
It's a good thing Christ didn't think like Paul.....
John 8
English Standard Version (ESV)
8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”]]
What part of what the Apostle Paul wrote did not fit the way Jesus dealt with the woman? (Joanna is most likely her name.)
Did He invite her to dinner at His place, no?
If she was mentioned later in the Gospel was she still a sinner who would not stop or had she stopped the sins that broke the 10 Commandments?
The part you missed is that it was a direction given to a Congregation which in the Bible's definition could be as few as two or three people as that would be considered to be a 'Church' that Christ would recognize. All Christians are bound by these conditions of 'the Law'.
You know James isn't Paul right?
M't:5:28:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Jas:2:8-11:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,
ye do well:
But if ye have respect to persons,
ye commit sin,
and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.
That doesn't mean you can ignore the 'needy'.
M't:25:41-45:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me,
ye cursed,
into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred,
and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty,
and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger,
and ye took me not in:
naked,
and ye clothed me not:
sick,
and in prison,
and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him,
saying,
Lord,
when saw we thee an hungred,
or athirst,
or a stranger,
or naked,
or sick,
or in prison,
and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them,
saying,
Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these,
ye did it not to me.
Goober; said:
Excellent reply..
When Jesus was asked about Levirate marriage (Mark 12, Matt 22) he could have ended it but did not. This means a man whose brother dies gets the widow as his wife. If he has multiple brothers who die (say, in war) the widows all become his wives according to the Bible. Therefore, Jesus did not intend to end multiple marriages. Martin Luther and John Milton both said polygyny is biblically permissible.
Note to Walter - prefer not to mention the name of the website in order to protect privacy.
As a Christian I use you as an example of what a Christian is DEFINITELY not.
Three passages in the pastoral epistles (1Timothy 3:2, 1Timothy 3:12 and Titus 1:6) state that church leaders should be the "husband of but one wife." This has been read by some Christian sects as a prohibition of polygamy, others argue that polygamy is allowed, but not for church leaders, still others argue that the passage refers only to church leaders not divorcing their first wives. Walter Lock in his 1990 book argues it may simply refer to marital unfaithfulness since "no Christian, whether an overseer or not, would have been allowed to practice polygamy."
Most Christian theologians argue that in Matthew 19:3-9 and referring to Genesis 2:24 Jesus explicitly states a man should have only one wife:
Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Christianity#New_Testament
Jesus was talking about a deeply personal relationship with god. Saul of Tarsus was setting up a company.
In our day, Cliffy tolerance has come to mean (PC) political correctness, best expressed in the platitude, "It's all good". Jesus never endorsed that.
It was about 1968 the phrase "doing your own thing" materialized and since then it's been mostly down hill! -
M't:25:41-45:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me,
ye cursed,
into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred,
and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty,
and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger,
and ye took me not in:
naked,
and ye clothed me not:
sick,
and in prison,
and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him,
saying,
Lord,
when saw we thee an hungred,
or athirst,
or a stranger,
or naked,
or sick,
or in prison,
and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them,
saying,
Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these,
ye did it not to me.
I assume the point you are trying to get across is this part of my post, " All Christians are bound by these conditions of 'the Law'."
In the whole list is a Christian bound to complete the whole list or one item on the list? The term 'prison' would not require 'needs of the body' but 'needs of the mind' would be met through discussion of Christian theology. That would also mean the term is meant for the 'prison' Jesus mentioned in the NT, the ones that John the Baptist was sent to, God, on the other hand' references prison also but it is a reference to death. The OT also calls death the land of the enemy because of a prophecy and a fulfillment. So far Christ has been the only one to come out of that prison, been glorified by God, and returned to the earth for 40 days. The OT Saints that also came out of that same prison ascended to Heaven and were glorified by God but they did not return to the eath with Jesus, they stayed with God as are the 24 Elders from Re:4, their fate is to return to earth and sit on thrones as rulers and priests to the 'remnant of the Gentiles' and to the 12 Tribes of Israel. That task takes 1,000 years and then 'the students' become kings and priests to all the people who have life in the new earth. That is the path 'prison' takes when God is speaking, Christ has the earth to set the model for and that is set into motion during the reign that starts on the day of return.
The two verses below are the beginning and the end of the Church, the alpha and omega in Re:1 covers that specific group, all Gentiles who have lived since the event took place 3 1/2 years after the cross.
Ac:10:17-23:
Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean,
behold,
the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house,
and stood before the gate,
And called,
and asked whether Simon,
which was surnamed Peter,
were lodged there.
While Peter thought on the vision,
the Spirit said unto him,
Behold,
three men seek thee.
Arise therefore,
and get thee down,
and go with them,
doubting nothing:
for I have sent them.
Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius;
and said,
Behold,
I am he whom ye seek:
what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
And they said,
Cornelius the centurion,
a just man,
and one that feareth God,
and of good report among all the nation of the Jews,
was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house,
and to hear words of thee.
Then called he them in,
and lodged them.
And on the morrow Peter went away with them,
and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.
Re:11:13-19:
And the same hour was there a great earthquake,
and the tenth part of the city fell,
and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
and the remnant were affrighted,
and gave glory to the God of heaven.
The second woe is past;
and,
behold,
the third woe cometh quickly.
And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven,
saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.
And the four and twenty elders,
which sat before God on their seats,
fell upon their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
We give thee thanks,
O Lord God Almighty,
which art,
and wast,
and art to come;
because thou hast taken to thee thy great power,
and hast reigned.
And the nations were angry,
and thy wrath is come,
and the time of the dead,
that they should be judged,
and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,
and to the saints,
and them that fear thy name,
small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
And the temple of God was opened in heaven,
and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:
and there were lightnings,
and voices,
and thunderings,
and an earthquake,
and great hail.
The prison in the verse below is which kind of prison, the one John went to or the one Job is in? The devil indirectly sends 1/3 of all Gentiles alive to the grave in the period just before the return so lets assume the prison is something like John was in and the questions will be about faith rather than nationality. To get the 10 days you would be stopped and asked a question about faith and if the wrong answer was given you would be taken and given the 'course' that taught you what 'true' faith was (rather than being killed and the verses below indicate money is there so the 10 days would only apply if you have money, being poor you would be destined to become a dead body)
Re:2:9-10:
I know thy works,
and tribulation,
and poverty,
(but thou art rich)
and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews,
and are not,
but are the synagogue of Satan.
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer:
behold,
the devil shall cast some of you into prison,
that ye may be tried;
and ye shall have tribulation ten days:
be thou faithful unto death,
and I will give thee a crown of life.
Is any of that even close to what your post was referencing?
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me,
ye cursed,
into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred,
and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty,
and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger,
and ye took me not in:
naked,
and ye clothed me not:
sick,
and in prison,
and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him,
saying,
Lord,
when saw we thee an hungred,
or athirst,
or a stranger,
or naked,
or sick,
or in prison,
and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them,
saying,
Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these,
ye did it not to me.
Sorry for the delay something more important came up..
I assume the point you are trying to get across is this part of my post, " All Christians are bound by these conditions of 'the Law'."
In the whole list is a Christian bound to complete the whole list or one item on the list? The term 'prison' would not require 'needs of the body' but 'needs of the mind' would be met through discussion of Christian theology. That would also mean the term is meant for the 'prison' Jesus mentioned in the NT, the ones that John the Baptist was sent to, God, on the other hand' references prison also but it is a reference to death. The OT also calls death the land of the enemy because of a prophecy and a fulfillment. So far Christ has been the only one to come out of that prison, been glorified by God, and returned to the earth for 40 days. The OT Saints that also came out of that same prison ascended to Heaven and were glorified by God but they did not return to the eath with Jesus, they stayed with God as are the 24 Elders from Re:4, their fate is to return to earth and sit on thrones as rulers and priests to the 'remnant of the Gentiles' and to the 12 Tribes of Israel. That task takes 1,000 years and then 'the students' become kings and priests to all the people who have life in the new earth. That is the path 'prison' takes when God is speaking, Christ has the earth to set the model for and that is set into motion during the reign that starts on the day of return.
The two verses below are the beginning and the end of the Church, the alpha and omega in Re:1 covers that specific group, all Gentiles who have lived since the event took place 3 1/2 years after the cross.
Ac:10:17-23:
Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean,
behold,
the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house,
and stood before the gate,
And called,
and asked whether Simon,
which was surnamed Peter,
were lodged there.
While Peter thought on the vision,
the Spirit said unto him,
Behold,
three men seek thee.
Arise therefore,
and get thee down,
and go with them,
doubting nothing:
for I have sent them.
Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius;
and said,
Behold,
I am he whom ye seek:
what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
And they said,
Cornelius the centurion,
a just man,
and one that feareth God,
and of good report among all the nation of the Jews,
was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house,
and to hear words of thee.
Then called he them in,
and lodged them.
And on the morrow Peter went away with them,
and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.
Re:11:13-19:
And the same hour was there a great earthquake,
and the tenth part of the city fell,
and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
and the remnant were affrighted,
and gave glory to the God of heaven.
The second woe is past;
and,
behold,
the third woe cometh quickly.
And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven,
saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.
And the four and twenty elders,
which sat before God on their seats,
fell upon their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
We give thee thanks,
O Lord God Almighty,
which art,
and wast,
and art to come;
because thou hast taken to thee thy great power,
and hast reigned.
And the nations were angry,
and thy wrath is come,
and the time of the dead,
that they should be judged,
and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,
and to the saints,
and them that fear thy name,
small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
And the temple of God was opened in heaven,
and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:
and there were lightnings,
and voices,
and thunderings,
and an earthquake,
and great hail.
The prison in the verse below is which kind of prison, the one John went to or the one Job is in? The devil indirectly sends 1/3 of all Gentiles alive to the grave in the period just before the return so lets assume the prison is something like John was in and the questions will be about faith rather than nationality. To get the 10 days you would be stopped and asked a question about faith and if the wrong answer was given you would be taken and given the 'course' that taught you what 'true' faith was (rather than being killed and the verses below indicate money is there so the 10 days would only apply if you have money, being poor you would be destined to become a dead body)
Re:2:9-10:
I know thy works,
and tribulation,
and poverty,
(but thou art rich)
and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews,
and are not,
but are the synagogue of Satan.
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer:
behold,
the devil shall cast some of you into prison,
that ye may be tried;
and ye shall have tribulation ten days:
be thou faithful unto death,
and I will give thee a crown of life.
Is any of that even close to what your post was referencing?