Personally, I think the people threatening the family and the kid are much worse than the majority of the rioters......they do not have the cojones to actually do anything, nor do they have the excuse of liquor and mob frenzy.
Who's worse, the rioters or the vigilantes?
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Maybe we should all just step back and avoid trying to psycho-anal-eye'zing this kid (ie: looking up their ass for problems with their brain)..... none of us know enough to determine their motivations or thought process at the time other then what we're told by them, and as mentioned by others.... it's all assumption made up to justify our anger at an action/situation that didn't directly affect us and to make ourselves feel all holier then thou.
Now, in regards to the people who ran a family out of town because of what their son did during the riots...... I hate to be harsh, but big deal.... so they got death threats, whoopty-do.
Just about every single person who gets their name in the media, be that these people, other criminals, politicians, musicians, actors, police officers, etc...... will all get death threats from some idiot eventually.
That doesn't justify them getting death threats, but it's not something to be shocked and surprised about, because it isn't anything new.
And idiots rioting over stupid things like losing a hockey game isn't anything new either.
Maybe what they should have done besides run away from death threats would be to call their bluff, stand your ground and send those messages to the police to send their asses to jail.
These people involved in rioting are being publically flogged for exactly what they were caught doing..... those people who try to defend them are facing similar actions..... there are a few asshats who toss out death threats, but you can't start finger wagging at everybody in society for a few idiots, just as you can't finger wag all Vancouver fans as being rioters, just because of two bad incidences in like 17 some years.
Now, in regards to the people who ran a family out of town because of what their son did during the riots...... I hate to be harsh, but big deal.... so they got death threats, whoopty-do.
Just about every single person who gets their name in the media, be that these people, other criminals, politicians, musicians, actors, police officers, etc...... will all get death threats from some idiot eventually.
That doesn't justify them getting death threats, but it's not something to be shocked and surprised about, because it isn't anything new.
And idiots rioting over stupid things like losing a hockey game isn't anything new either.
Maybe what they should have done besides run away from death threats would be to call their bluff, stand your ground and send those messages to the police to send their asses to jail.
These people involved in rioting are being publically flogged for exactly what they were caught doing..... those people who try to defend them are facing similar actions..... there are a few asshats who toss out death threats, but you can't start finger wagging at everybody in society for a few idiots, just as you can't finger wag all Vancouver fans as being rioters, just because of two bad incidences in like 17 some years.
Inflating tires with a bicycle pump sounds funny and somewhat apt at first hearing but it might have been more productive to have him do so the usual way - for sure he would have been able to do a larger number - just a thought.
I agree that a fine line is being crossed now and I would be loathe to see the criminal element gain any sympathy what-so-ever. I do have some sympathy for the kids who got caught up in the moment, stayed to take pics but did not contribute to the riot in any way other than their presence, which was bad enough and made things that much harder for the police. I am reading some really disturbing comments on the G&M and NP about what people think should be done to the rioters and hangers-on and frankly, the comments scare me just as much as watching the riot unfold on TV.
I find it hard to sympathise with someone forced to take a week in Whistler @$400/night?(It's low season don'tcha know)
Because you can bet that's where they are-do you think they're huddling in a room on the Downtown East Side poor victims?
My best guess is that their pricey lawyer told them to hide as it will look good on the pre-sentence report-the one that recommends the rich kid get sentenced to 3 months cleaning the pool @ the local community centre.
That punk will never ever see the inside of a jail for this crime that I know for sure.
Whether they are staying at Whistler or at the Conrad Hilton has little bearing on the subject. It seems that you are missing the point that they didn't commit any crimes, issuing death threats to anyone is both wrong and criminal, issuing death threats to innocent people is reprehensible. Hope the person doing has relatives who are ALL squeaky clean! Am I correct in detecting a feeling of contempt because they may be wealthy?
You are still missing the point, Einstein, his parents committed no crime and wealthy or not shouldn't be being hasselled, you should confine YOUR drivel to the subject of the thread!
No genius-the point is that he's legally a juvenile (in case you missed that salient point).
Should his wealthy parents then not be legally responsible for the mayhem he helped create?
And if they lose a few hours sleep and several hundred thousand dollars should anyone but their accountant care?
And that excuses death threats?
You got that right, remembering back to when I was about 13, my friend and I got some stumping powder that was in his dad's shed, brought it over to my place and threw it on a bonfire..............those were the days! :lol:
He's a young offender, the punishment would be relatively light regardless of his parents wealth.
Whether the youths will face jail time, or not, is unlikely for the majority as the police are taking many aspects into consideration such as "has this person been in trouble before?" Also, a person cannot be punished for something they were trying to do if the act was not acutally accomplished.
The real tragedy now is the on-going aggressive, psychopathic behaviour of the people reacting to the rioters across the web. It is the same nasty, ugly energy. Who knows how long this will go on?
The Kotylak family is being harrassed, threatened and hounded to the point they had to leave their home for safer quarters. What is this? This is not Canadian behaviour or at least it did not used to be our behaviour. This reaction is insane.
To me this it is wrong to focus on this one youth and his family. It seems that the ones who threaten them are more cowardly as they are not identifying themselves. Why pick on this one youth? Because his family is well to do? I suggest their lives have been permanently altered already by their son's thoughtless action and it is time to back off of them.
Let the police do their work as they see fit.
We cannot be, and should not be, judge, jury and executioner. This is anarchy - the very state that Vancouverites say they protest.
We had our say already. Videos and photos are posted. The hoodlums, ruffians and wrongdoers are being methodically identified.
The continuing ugliness is more disgraceful and sends a poorer message to the world than the rioters.
The real tragedy now is the on-going aggressive, psychopathic behaviour of the people reacting to the rioters across the web. It is the same nasty, ugly energy. Who knows how long this will go on?
The Kotylak family is being harrassed, threatened and hounded to the point they had to leave their home for safer quarters. What is this? This is not Canadian behaviour or at least it did not used to be our behaviour. This reaction is insane.
To me this it is wrong to focus on this one youth and his family. It seems that the ones who threaten them are more cowardly as they are not identifying themselves. Why pick on this one youth? Because his family is well to do? I suggest their lives have been permanently altered already by their son's thoughtless action and it is time to back off of them.
Let the police do their work as they see fit.
We cannot be, and should not be, judge, jury and executioner. This is anarchy - the very state that Vancouverites say they protest.
We had our say already. Videos and photos are posted. The hoodlums, ruffians and wrongdoers are being methodically identified.
The continuing ugliness is more disgraceful and sends a poorer message to the world than the rioters.
Exactly the way I see it, Elder. Vigilantes (I have to admit I at times have similar thoughts myself) are often real hypocrites. :smile:
Who's worse? Does it matter?
Vandalism & theft=criminal act.
Uttering threats=criminal act.
It's sort of like asking who the bigger idiot is: dumb or dumber. Once you cross that line, you cross it.
Vandalism & theft=criminal act.
Uttering threats=criminal act.
It's sort of like asking who the bigger idiot is: dumb or dumber. Once you cross that line, you cross it.
I also support holding vigilantes and people who make death threats accountable for their actions too. The role of the public should be limited to providing evidence to the police so that criminals can be held accountable for their crimes. See my first post in this string on page one for instructions on how to send that evidence to the police. You can even do it anonymously. We should trust our criminal justice system to make fair evidence based judgments.
I have no sympathy for people who torched police cars, assaulted those trying to stop the riot, smashed windows, looted stores while crapping and pissing on items too big to carry off. Alcohol and getting caught up in the mob mentality is no excuse. We don't allow alcohol as an excuse for drunk driving and killing someone in an accident or the mob mentality as an excuse for gang rape. You do the crime then you should do the time.
My sympathies lie with the victims of those crimes and the people who had to clean up the mess. I feel some sympathy for the family of this 17 year old juvenile offender as they committed no crime. If they received death threats, then I also support bringing the people responsible for those crimes to justice too.
I disagree that attempting to commit a crime and failing is not a crime. Failing means the punishment should be reduced. For example trying to shoot someone is called attempted murder and the consequences aren't as severe as murder.
I agree that the vigilantism which has driven the boy's family into hiding is also a crime and the mentality is not that different than the mob mentality which led to the riots. I disagree that people who legally express outrage and anger over senseless property damage and violence are worse than the rioters and looters. I consider myself to be one of those people. Only the people who cross the line and commit vigilante crimes are as bad or worse than the rioters and looters. I understand their anger and outrage but do not support their illegal activities.
I have no sympathy for people who torched police cars, assaulted those trying to stop the riot, smashed windows, looted stores while crapping and pissing on items too big to carry off. Alcohol and getting caught up in the mob mentality is no excuse. We don't allow alcohol as an excuse for drunk driving and killing someone in an accident or the mob mentality as an excuse for gang rape. You do the crime then you should do the time.
My sympathies lie with the victims of those crimes and the people who had to clean up the mess. I feel some sympathy for the family of this 17 year old juvenile offender as they committed no crime. If they received death threats, then I also support bringing the people responsible for those crimes to justice too.
I disagree that attempting to commit a crime and failing is not a crime. Failing means the punishment should be reduced. For example trying to shoot someone is called attempted murder and the consequences aren't as severe as murder.
I agree that the vigilantism which has driven the boy's family into hiding is also a crime and the mentality is not that different than the mob mentality which led to the riots. I disagree that people who legally express outrage and anger over senseless property damage and violence are worse than the rioters and looters. I consider myself to be one of those people. Only the people who cross the line and commit vigilante crimes are as bad or worse than the rioters and looters. I understand their anger and outrage but do not support their illegal activities.
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I think this whole thing is starting to get blown out of all proportion- 1. the perpetrators must be punished, not ruined for life. 2. Nobody was killed, so all the damage can be put right. 3. Restitution is the most effective form of punishment and since I.C.B.C. seems to have all the data on the perpetrators, so until the perps make full restitution, the ability is there to not renew drivers licenses or auto insurance. I think we should just let the powers that be conduct a systematic method of recovery and the wingnuts abstain from death threats and driving innocent victims out of their homes. :smile:
I agree with this statement made by the Vancouver Police Chief:
YouTube - Nearly 150 Hurt in Vancouver Riot Following Loss
YouTube - Nearly 150 Hurt in Vancouver Riot Following Loss
It's not dysfucnctional homes, it's not street people, it not believeing you are priveledged.
The problem is ****ing sports fans.
The problem is ****ing sports fans.
I Smell B U L L S H I T ! ! !
Some of the people trying to stop the rioting, property damage and assaults were sports fans. The same thing could have happened after a canceled concert or any event which creates a large crowd of angry drunks.
IMO, the fundamental problem isn't sports fans, but a society which doesn't encourage people to think independently. We've become accustomed to the MSM and our leaders telling us what to think, that many people have lost the ability to think for themselves. In this case, a few anarchists got the ball rolling and a large mob of angry drunk sheeple compliantly followed them.
IMO, the fundamental problem isn't sports fans, but a society which doesn't encourage people to think independently. We've become accustomed to the MSM and our leaders telling us what to think, that many people have lost the ability to think for themselves. In this case, a few anarchists got the ball rolling and a large mob of angry drunk sheeple compliantly followed them.
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I'm with Petros on this one.
I hate sports, always have, I can't understand the passion it arouses in the average Canadian.....especially males.
When my work partner and I were told we were going to Toronto for two weeks, his FIRST reaction was "GREAT! We can go take in a Blue Jays game!", to which I answered "No offense, but I'd rather be shot through both kneecaps" He was so astounded by that that he repeated it to every person he spoke with in my presence....for weeks.
But I digress.
You take an audience of largely young males, you fuel them with alcohol, you show them a demonstration of violence in which the normal rules of behaviour are suspended, brutality and group violence are expected, and the perpetrators of same are idiolized.......then you let them loose on the street.
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT??????