Who ya votin' for?
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Re: RE: Who ya votin' for?
So, in your opinion, wanting everyone treated equally is racist.
But, differentiating people with race-based law is NOT racist.
You do not have to agree with Flanagan, but to attack him as a racist simply because he wants everyone treated equally under the law is more than a little whacky.
I have not read the book, I would like to. I have read Flanagan in numerous newspaper columns. He strikes me as a good man. Once again, you discredit yourself when you throw around insults without foundation.
BTW, have you found that racist Harper quote yet? I'm waiting.
Soon, instead of a quote, I'll be looking for an apology.
Reverend Blair said:
So, in your opinion, wanting everyone treated equally is racist.
But, differentiating people with race-based law is NOT racist.
You do not have to agree with Flanagan, but to attack him as a racist simply because he wants everyone treated equally under the law is more than a little whacky.
I have not read the book, I would like to. I have read Flanagan in numerous newspaper columns. He strikes me as a good man. Once again, you discredit yourself when you throw around insults without foundation.
BTW, have you found that racist Harper quote yet? I'm waiting.
Soon, instead of a quote, I'll be looking for an apology.
Flanagan's message is that natives are lazy and stupid, Colpy. Of course you wouldn't know that because you haven't read the book. You also seem unable to understand that international treaties cannot just be walked away from.
You know nothing about the situation or the man that you are defending. You are defending him simply because you share a culture of greed with him.
Where did I say that there was a racist Harper quote? I didn't. I said that the Conservative party was racist after referring to Flanagan. Nice try though. Are you sure you have degree in poli-sci?
You know nothing about the situation or the man that you are defending. You are defending him simply because you share a culture of greed with him.
Where did I say that there was a racist Harper quote? I didn't. I said that the Conservative party was racist after referring to Flanagan. Nice try though. Are you sure you have degree in poli-sci?
Re: RE: Who ya votin' for?
No, the message from people thast want to keep them in Bantustan, down on the reserve is that they are too lazy and stupid to survive in modern society.
I get a kick out of people who say "we can't ignore the treaties". Good Lord, these things have been broken so many times.....for instance, the treaty with the British that Donald Marshall used to justify selling fish catches. The treaty was signed to insure peace with the Indians while the Brits dealt with the French.
In the nex conflict, who did the MicMac actively support? The French. But the treaty is still considered valid.
Ridiculous.
And aren't you the guy that wants to dump NAFTA because of US violations? I would say that is not an unreasonable stance. Apply it everywhere.
You remind me of an incident I saw during Question Period on CPAC a few years ago. Jane Stewart (of HRDC fame) was the Liberal minister answering a question from the Reform Indian Affairs critic on corruption on a particular native reserve. Her reply to the question was, of course, to rise in the house, point a finger at the Reform member, and cry "racist" as she had been instructed to do at every opportunity by her Great Leader. The Reform critic rose to answer "I'm sure" he said, "that my being a racist will come as quite a surprize to my full-blood Cree wife and my three status Indian children."
You people have been playing this particular card (a Joker) for far too long.
So, I say it again. Let's see some direct quotes. I don't care, give us quotes from Flanagan. Just ONE, that proves he is a racist. Or never use the term to slander the Conservative Party again.
I share a "culture of greed"? It is to laugh. What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Reverend Blair said:
No, the message from people thast want to keep them in Bantustan, down on the reserve is that they are too lazy and stupid to survive in modern society.
I get a kick out of people who say "we can't ignore the treaties". Good Lord, these things have been broken so many times.....for instance, the treaty with the British that Donald Marshall used to justify selling fish catches. The treaty was signed to insure peace with the Indians while the Brits dealt with the French.
In the nex conflict, who did the MicMac actively support? The French. But the treaty is still considered valid.
Ridiculous.
And aren't you the guy that wants to dump NAFTA because of US violations? I would say that is not an unreasonable stance. Apply it everywhere.
You remind me of an incident I saw during Question Period on CPAC a few years ago. Jane Stewart (of HRDC fame) was the Liberal minister answering a question from the Reform Indian Affairs critic on corruption on a particular native reserve. Her reply to the question was, of course, to rise in the house, point a finger at the Reform member, and cry "racist" as she had been instructed to do at every opportunity by her Great Leader. The Reform critic rose to answer "I'm sure" he said, "that my being a racist will come as quite a surprize to my full-blood Cree wife and my three status Indian children."
You people have been playing this particular card (a Joker) for far too long.
So, I say it again. Let's see some direct quotes. I don't care, give us quotes from Flanagan. Just ONE, that proves he is a racist. Or never use the term to slander the Conservative Party again.
I share a "culture of greed"? It is to laugh. What the hell is that supposed to mean?
No, it means that he's willing to support a racist party, break treaties, and abuse people because he's afraid to pay his taxes, Jay.
Re: RE: Who ya votin' for?
I'm still waiting for those overtly racist quotes Rev.
I'm holding your feet to the fire on this one.
Nothing personal, it is just that charges of racism without basis damage the democratic process, and I am SICK of it.
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I'm still waiting for those overtly racist quotes Rev.
I'm holding your feet to the fire on this one.
Nothing personal, it is just that charges of racism without basis damage the democratic process, and I am SICK of it.
Read Flanagan's book, Colpy. Listen to the way they want to cut immigration. Look at the way they would deal with natives. Look at the ties between the Reform Party in Prince Albert and the KKK member that shot an Indian for walking into his store.
The Reform/Conservative/Alliance tries to hide their racism. There have been some slips over the years though. Like getting member of the Heritage Front to act as their body guards. When the Reform Party was named in a CSIS investigation they got rid of those directly connected to the incident, but not before they got caught.
Harper did say:
Of course the Byfield family has always had a cozy relationship with the Reform/Alliance/Conservative Party. They founded BC Report, Alberta Report, and the now defunct Western.
Besides the links though, I've had some personal experience with your party. I grew up in Saskatchewan and got to see the racism of the Reform Party up close and personal. Were you really so inept that you didn't think anybody was around at all those meetings you held just before the party formed? We were there.
Don't try to claim that things have changed either. I see the same faces in the crowd at your conventions as I saw 20 years ago.
The Reform/Conservative/Alliance tries to hide their racism. There have been some slips over the years though. Like getting member of the Heritage Front to act as their body guards. When the Reform Party was named in a CSIS investigation they got rid of those directly connected to the incident, but not before they got caught.
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Harper did say:
Of course the Byfield family has always had a cozy relationship with the Reform/Alliance/Conservative Party. They founded BC Report, Alberta Report, and the now defunct Western.
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Besides the links though, I've had some personal experience with your party. I grew up in Saskatchewan and got to see the racism of the Reform Party up close and personal. Were you really so inept that you didn't think anybody was around at all those meetings you held just before the party formed? We were there.
Don't try to claim that things have changed either. I see the same faces in the crowd at your conventions as I saw 20 years ago.
Quite amusing, Rev, really.
I especially got a kick out of the NAC-SOW release. Gee, what awful attacks! To approach a woman in a Hijab and point out that Anglo-Saxons rescued Muslims in Bosnia! The HORROR that poor woman must have felt.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
PLEASE, anyone following these posts, go to the links, read the articles.
This is the BEST the Rev can do to prove Harper and Flanagan's racism.
It's time to put this entirely silly issue to bed, Rev. The Conservative Party is NOT racist. Neither were the Reform or CA parties.
You cannot provide a single quote showing racism on the part of Harper or Flanagan.
Harper said:
"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg, the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are recent Asian immigrants, who are recent immigrants from Eastern Canada, people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society."
This is your best attempt? Do not immigrants mostly vote Liberal? Do they not gather together in communities? Is there anything untrue in this statement? Is there any criticism of Asian immigrants? Anything questioning their rights, or reflecting on their abilities?
No there is not.
Not racist.
Try again.
I especially got a kick out of the NAC-SOW release. Gee, what awful attacks! To approach a woman in a Hijab and point out that Anglo-Saxons rescued Muslims in Bosnia! The HORROR that poor woman must have felt.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
PLEASE, anyone following these posts, go to the links, read the articles.
This is the BEST the Rev can do to prove Harper and Flanagan's racism.
It's time to put this entirely silly issue to bed, Rev. The Conservative Party is NOT racist. Neither were the Reform or CA parties.
You cannot provide a single quote showing racism on the part of Harper or Flanagan.
Harper said:
"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg, the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are recent Asian immigrants, who are recent immigrants from Eastern Canada, people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society."
This is your best attempt? Do not immigrants mostly vote Liberal? Do they not gather together in communities? Is there anything untrue in this statement? Is there any criticism of Asian immigrants? Anything questioning their rights, or reflecting on their abilities?
No there is not.
Not racist.
Try again.
More Harper quotes:
Defending Betty Granger after she made racist remarks about an "Asian invasion":
Defending Betty Granger after she made racist remarks about an "Asian invasion":
Why single out Asian immigrants? By your own admission most immigrants vote "Liberal". ( Just wondering how recent Immigrants would be allowed to vote. Recent citizens yes... the immigration process is lenghty.)
What are you implying by people in ghettoes vote "Liberal" ? ( How do you know how they voted ?...the ballot is secret.)Gee...the poor vote for a party that they believe might do them some good...
How do you know they are not integrated into western society? What does that imply...that they aren't capable of making a rational voting decision?
In my opinion these were blatantly racist statements. Not only that he is implying that if you live in a ghetto, if you are recently from asia and have miraculously been given the right to vote and if you made your way to the west via Eastern Canada...they don't know who they want to elect. That is absurd.
What are you implying by people in ghettoes vote "Liberal" ? ( How do you know how they voted ?...the ballot is secret.)Gee...the poor vote for a party that they believe might do them some good...
How do you know they are not integrated into western society? What does that imply...that they aren't capable of making a rational voting decision?
In my opinion these were blatantly racist statements. Not only that he is implying that if you live in a ghetto, if you are recently from asia and have miraculously been given the right to vote and if you made your way to the west via Eastern Canada...they don't know who they want to elect. That is absurd.
That Ted White thankfully got the boot courtesy of the Liberal candidate in what was described as an upset. To bad the other "White" did not. But at least Randy White is not running again.
I do not think he retired as he claims, I think Harper told him after last election he should retire or his papers will not get signed, due to his big mouth in that infamous video Libs leaked before last election. With Gurment and Randy White out of picture Harper got rid of two thorns, but alas there are many "thorns" capable of replacing them.
I do not think he retired as he claims, I think Harper told him after last election he should retire or his papers will not get signed, due to his big mouth in that infamous video Libs leaked before last election. With Gurment and Randy White out of picture Harper got rid of two thorns, but alas there are many "thorns" capable of replacing them.