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Reverend Blair

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No, values like democracy, human rights, women's rights, freedom of speech etc. etc.... that do not exist in her neighbours.

Ah, those same important values that exist in Egypt and Uzbekistan and Saudi Arabia and China and Haiti.

We'll leave the 'blowing up Muslim children' to the freedom fighters/insurgents/terrorist scum.

The Israeli's regularly bomb buidlings where women and children live because somebody they don't like is in those buildings. The Israel's (and Canada's) good friend the United States kills women and children with startling regularity...so many of them that it refuses to keep count.

But they have had first strike capability for decades... and not used it.

No, they've had Mutually Assured Destruction for decades. That's basically the club that Iran wants to join, in competition with Israel.

Plus, you haven't seen official government officials advocating the destruction of another country for decades, have you?

Well, they've destroyed Iraq in this decade. If they could have gotten away with using nukes, I have little doubt they would have...likely as a first option.
 

Reverend Blair

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It is, Andy, but it's far better than one nation having a first strike capability and managed to keep us from nuking each other for several decades.
 

Colpy

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But they have had first strike capability for decades... and not used it.


"No, they've had Mutually Assured Destruction for decades. That's basically the club that Iran wants to join, in competition with Israel."

BALONEY

Iran wants to join the "eliminate every Jew from the face of the earth" club.

Which is why it would be wonderful if somebody took out their nuclear facilities.

BTW, I see you "It'll never work" missile defense guys have not addressed Israel's success (with the USA) in building an anti-missile missile.
 

Colpy

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No, values like democracy, human rights, women's rights, freedom of speech etc. etc.... that do not exist in her neighbours.


"Ah, those same important values that exist in Egypt and Uzbekistan and Saudi Arabia and China and Haiti. "

Rev, you'll have to explain this reply to me. What are you saying?
 

Reverend Blair

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Rev, you'll have to explain this reply to me. What are you saying?

I'm saying that criticizing Iran for having the same problems as states that we accept is hypocritical bullshit.

BTW, I see you "It'll never work" missile defense guys have not addressed Israel's success (with the USA) in building an anti-missile missile.

Do they have a working version of Ballistic Missile Defence? No, they do not. You know why? Because the physics are so massively complicated that it doesn't work.

Besides, the USA is a war-like state with a long record of attacking weaker nations and shouldn't be allowed to have any weapon more lethal than a Daisy BB gun.
 

MMMike

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Reverend Blair said:
BTW, I see you "It'll never work" missile defense guys have not addressed Israel's success (with the USA) in building an anti-missile missile.

Do they have a working version of Ballistic Missile Defence? No, they do not. You know why? Because the physics are so massively complicated that it doesn't work.

Yeah, it's not easy like, say, putting a man on the moon or something. :roll: :roll:
 

Reverend Blair

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It's the same guys who know how to put a man on the moon who say that BMD makes little or no sense scientifically, MMMikey. Sorry, but when it comes to matters of science, I tend to listen to scientists before I listen to warmongers.
 

Calberty

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I think I had the only NDP sign in our whole Alberta rural riding. I called up the local NDP candidate and told him to take it off after I heard Layton's announcemebt about an export tax on Alberta energy. :x

There's no way I'd vote Liberals and return the crooks to office. That leaves the Conservatives and the Greens. I'm leaning Green just to help get more exposure for the environmnetal issue. This riding is a Conservative bastion and I like our MP but he doesn't need my vote. If it was a close race I'd vote Conservative.
 

#juan

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MMMike wrote:
Yeah, it's not easy like, say, putting a man on the moon or something.:roll: :roll:

Missile defense is vastly more complicated than putting a man on the moon. Hittin a steerable missile going 18,000 miles an hour, with another missile going the same speed is virtually impossible. The so-called success the Americans had were complete set-ups. They knew exactly where the incoming missile was coming from, and exactly when. The Israeli success is BS.
 

Reverend Blair

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I think I had the only NDP sign in our whole Alberta rural riding. I called up the local NDP candidate and told him to take it off after I heard Layton's announcemebt about an export tax on Alberta energy.

How would an export tax hurt Alberta, Calberty?

It wouldn't reduce the price you get for oil...that shamefully low amount was negotiated by Ralph Klein.

It wouldn't reduce the amount of oil you sell to the US...they are so oil-hungry that they went into a virtual tizzy when China started making inroads into your oilsands. It would also be set at a lower rate than most transport costs from foreign ports and US companies operating here don't have to hire security and the US military doesn't have to bomb women and children for your oil.

So how would an export tax...a tempory levy designed to force the Americans to abide by the ruling of a trade body that they negotiated...hurt Alberta at all? It wouldn't.

Call your candidate and ask him to bring the sign back.
 

MMMike

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#juan said:
MMMike wrote:
Yeah, it's not easy like, say, putting a man on the moon or something.:roll: :roll:

Missile defense is vastly more complicated than putting a man on the moon. Hittin a steerable missile going 18,000 miles an hour, with another missile going the same speed is virtually impossible. The so-called success the Americans had were complete set-ups. They knew exactly where the incoming missile was coming from, and exactly when. The Israeli success is BS.

Is it anymore complicated than say, splitting atoms? While I doubt the rational behind the whole program, I have no doubt that the technology will evolve to make this a reality.
 

#juan

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MMMike wrote:
Is it anymore complicated than say, splitting atoms? While I doubt the rational behind the whole program, I have no doubt that the technology will evolve to make this a reality.

Splitting the atom is child's play by comparison. The world's leading physicists including nine physics Nobel Lauriates, agree that trying to build a system that shoots down missiles with other missiles is a waste of time.
 

Reverend Blair

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Listen to the scientists instead of the war mongers, MMMikey. Hell, listen to the fish mongers before you listen to the war mongers...at least the fish mongers aren't killing people.