Who ya votin' for?
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no1important said:
Oh, garbage!
If you are frightened by Stephen Harper, I suggest you seek treatment for paranoia.
If Harper scares you, probably daylight scares you as well.
Harper's a nutbag. He's not scary, his ideas are scary.
Just go to Google and type in "Stephen Harper quotes". Colpy can try to spin all he wants to, but when you look at what the man has said, words from his lips, it becomes clear that he's an extremist nutbag freak who should be castrated with dull, rusty bolt cutters.
Just go to Google and type in "Stephen Harper quotes". Colpy can try to spin all he wants to, but when you look at what the man has said, words from his lips, it becomes clear that he's an extremist nutbag freak who should be castrated with dull, rusty bolt cutters.
Judging my the voting results on this thread, it looks like the NDP is headed for a victory. If anyone beleives that, I have some er ... shares that I'd like to sell to that sucke .. .er I mean that individual.
Judging by the willingness of the US radical right to interfere in Canadian politics, I'd say that somebody is running scared and it ain't the NDP.
I'm as heartily sick of the Liberals as anybody, but I have a few problems. The Conservatives I find deeply alarming. Harper's flip-flopped on major issues so many times I have no idea where he stands on anything, and his record with previous employers doesn't inspire confidence. I have many philosophical differences with the political right, and having endured right wing administrations provincially under Grant Devine and nationally under Bryan Mulroney, I'm inclined to think their view of the world is too close to the Rambo philosophy: piss me off and you're going down, it's every man for himself and if you're not an aggressive asshole who can trample everyone who gets in the way, too bad, you lose, and don't expect us to take care of you. I don't much like the left either, though I concede I'm far more sympathetic to their views. They at least care about people. Philosophically I find myself in the middle, which right now means Liberal. But...
Corruption, arrogance, entitlement, stupidity...
All the options I can see are unacceptable. I still don't know what to do the next time I'm standing in a voting booth. It'll depend entirely on the local candidates, with the proviso that it makes no difference who the Conservatives run, I'm not voting that way. But whoever can convince me that he or she is a good and decent person who believes in the old virtues like honour, duty, loyalty, honesty, integrity, and so forth, will get my vote. And if none of them can convince me of that, I'll make my X by simply crossing out all of their names on the ballot. Yes, I'll spoil the ballot before I'll vote for a moron.
Corruption, arrogance, entitlement, stupidity...
All the options I can see are unacceptable. I still don't know what to do the next time I'm standing in a voting booth. It'll depend entirely on the local candidates, with the proviso that it makes no difference who the Conservatives run, I'm not voting that way. But whoever can convince me that he or she is a good and decent person who believes in the old virtues like honour, duty, loyalty, honesty, integrity, and so forth, will get my vote. And if none of them can convince me of that, I'll make my X by simply crossing out all of their names on the ballot. Yes, I'll spoil the ballot before I'll vote for a moron.
Dexter Sinister said:
Correct. Harper does not have the convictions of President Bush, however he's the current leader of the CPC and folks who want to vote for a right wing party (based on Canada's political scale), have no alternative but to vote for Harper. As a pro-Lifer, I have no clue as to Harper's position on abortion. He will not state it. I would vote for the Christian Heritage party. Their position is clear.
By the way, Martin has flip-flopped numerous times as well. A good example is his reneging on the promised corporation tax cuts so he could save his skin. Saving his skin was more important to him than giving corporations the resources to create more jobs and hire more workers.
Dexter Sinister said:
Don't forget Dexter, a vote for the Liberal party is a vote of more sponsorship type scandals and corruption. Not to mention making ridiculous tax deals with the NDP to save their skins in regards to the sponsorship scandal.
As for the Rambo philospohy, if you are attacked by enemy forces are you simply supposed to stand on the sidelines and let them take the pants off your back? No way. Everyone has a right to defend themselves. Terrorists attacked us on 9/11 by flying airplanes into the twin towers. They started the war and we having a right to defend ourselves in this war by going after them, fighting the war they started. We made them pay a heavy price for their actions.
Dexter Sinister said:
Well, Dexter if you measure the Liberal party of Canada on a US political scale, it will not balance in the center, but will wind up quite a bit to the left. You forget that Canada's political scale has offset the center mark to the left.
As for the Liberal Party of Canada caring about people, just what part of the population do they care about? If they truly care about the will of the Canadian people, they would have held a nationwide referendum before legalizing SSM. Caring about the people equals consulting the people. They couldn't care less what average Canadians think.
Dexter Sinister said:
Pull up a chair, light a cigarette and start snapping your fingers asking someone to bring you a coffee.
Our political scale matches the rest of the world's pretty well. The USA's is skewed radically to the right. The Liberals under Martin are very close to your Democrats, a party that would be considered to be right of centre anywhere but in Amerika.
Corporate tax cuts weren't part of his platform in the last election, James. He put them in the budget to get Conservative support. Harper loved the budget but decided to vote against it. Martin then fulfilled promises that he did make in the last election in order to get NDP support. That's the way minority goverrnments work.
By the way, our corporate tax rate is lower than yours already.
It's obvious that you nothing about Canadian politics and very little about American politics, James.
Reverend Blair said:
Now this is what you call a reasonable discussion of the issues.
I'd like to talk about the NDP's "Secret Agenda". I have it on good authority that the NDP, if Jack Layton becomes Prime Minister, will force through legislation to achieve the following:
1. Gay Marriage will be made mandatory.
2. All pregnant women will have to undergo testing to determine the race and gender of their babies. All white males will be aborted.
3. The military will be dispersed across the country to act as facilitators in Canada's new kinder, gentler defense system. Soldiers will be giving lectures (attendence mandatory) on gender equality, multicultural tolerance, and Karl Marx.
4. Our defense system will be updated to consist of CDs sent to every TV and Radio station to be played in case of attack. The tapes will consist of Svend Robinson crying and pleading "we surrender, please don't hurt us"
5. In an attempt to mollify the unfortunate Islamists of the world, Canada will ship Osama bin Laden a adult white male infidel a day, for Osama to dispatch as he pleases.
6. All Indian land claims will be instantly recognized. All Canadians will pay rent to First Nations.
7. A group of re-education camps will be established throughout the nation for people who continue to drive gasoline powered vehicles.
8. The government will collect your paycheck on payday. You will be given an allowance, as long as you are well behaved.
9. Babies will be taken from their mothers at 6 months of age, so to be given all the advantages of early learning of the truths of Canadian NDP culture.
Please be reassured, an NDP government would only do what they know is good for you.
Dexter Sinister said:
I would agree that Harper has done some flip-flopping. I don't like it any more than anyone else. But, compared to Mr. Dithers, he is on the straight and narrow.
Brian Mulroney was a Liberal in a blue suit, as far as I'm concerned. I used to be a Reform member, a party created by Mulroney.
It is hard to argue with anyone who would vote for the best, most honest, most honourable local candidate. That's certainly a valid way to make the choice, perhaps the most valid way. I would urge you, however, to consider the Conservative candidate on the same terms as the rest.
That's all one could ask.
I consider myself fairly middle of the road politically - fiscally conservative, social moderate. The Liberals are probably a more natural fit for me than the Conservatives but their corruption & arrogance knows no bounds - they have to sit a few off. Of course the conservatives have their radical fringe like all parties do, but its not realistic to think they would actually adopt any 'radical' policies. Once elected, the government is still accountable to the people, and indeed their actions are more influenced by public opinion than their core beliefs. Looking at the polls, the best the conservatives could hope for is a slim minority government. So where's the risk? Come on over to the 'dark side', Dex! :wink:
By the way, if you want to send a statement that you don't like the choices available to you, you have to decline the ballot when offered to you. A spoiled ballot sends no message, except that you can't follow instructions.
Rev, you know full well that our tax burden here in Canada is vastly greater than in the US, if not in corporate taxes, then other taxes - income taxes, EI, CPP etc etc... Even corporation get more favourable tax treatment in the US on stuff like R&D, captial cost writeoffs ....
Layton has never said any of those things, Colpy. I suggested that people Google what Harper has said and you retorted with a bunch of made-up crap.
Harper's own words. The actions of a group that he was in charge of. Google them. Was he lying when he said all of those things? If so, then he can't be trusted. If not, then he stands for some very scary things.
Harper's own words. The actions of a group that he was in charge of. Google them. Was he lying when he said all of those things? If so, then he can't be trusted. If not, then he stands for some very scary things.
Aaah but the difference is what we say about them actually makes sense and isn't widly out into "left field" (no pun intended).
You can't actually say that any of THAT stuff makes any kind of logical sense.
What we say about the Cons. may be exagerated for effect at times but it's an extension of their actual demonstrated views. Whereas all THAT bullshit is completely way out and has nothing to do with anything Jack Layton or anybody else in the NDP has ever said or done.
You can't actually say that any of THAT stuff makes any kind of logical sense.
What we say about the Cons. may be exagerated for effect at times but it's an extension of their actual demonstrated views. Whereas all THAT bullshit is completely way out and has nothing to do with anything Jack Layton or anybody else in the NDP has ever said or done.
Re: RE: Who ya votin' for?
sorry, he can't..........colpy is in jail. ( check the shared house game thread. ) :wink: :lol:
MMMike said:
sorry, he can't..........colpy is in jail. ( check the shared house game thread. ) :wink: :lol: