Who ya votin' for?

[Reverend Blair]

You should do the Google thing, MMMikey. While the Conservatives make shit up, we quote Harper. Sarcasm on your part or not, the fact remains that he has said those things and taken those positions, and he did so for a very long time.

When he says the opposite now, is it any wonder that people worry he has a secret agenda?

 

[Nascar_James]

By the way, our corporate tax rate is lower than yours already.

It's obvious that you nothing about Canadian politics and very little about American politics, James.

Do you know what you're saying, Rev? We have the best policy here for corporations. I know for a fact that a couple of years ago, 70% of corporations here in the US did not pay any taxes. This is done to give them more resources to create business and hire more workers, giving folks more to spend and improving the economy.

So don't say that Canada's tax approach to corporations is better than the US approach, cause it isn't.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I said that we have a lower corporate tax rate than you do, James. Check the numbers.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Who ya votin' for?

I said that we have a lower corporate tax rate than you do, James. Check the numbers.

Rev, who cares what the rate is if they don't pay the tax. Did you know that a powerhouse such as Microsoft has not paid any US corporate income tax last year?

We are much more tax friendly here towards successful corporations than Canada is.

 

[Reverend Blair]

You are much more given to handing out corporate welfare, you mean.

 

[#juan]

Nascar wrote:

Rev, who cares what the rate is if they don't pay the tax. Did you know that a powerhouse such as Microsoft has not paid any US corporate income tax last year?

And yet, just like in Canada, the biggest employers in the U.S. are not the giant corporations, but small businesses. Those small businesses pay lots of tax. Funny isn't it.

 

[meitme]

there are so many ways of cheating the system anyway for exapmple

irving did this:
1)produce oil-no money made in this country so there was no tax because tax is on your profit
2)another country with very very little oil that buys it and sells it to a canadian part of the country the oil never goes here but all the money is made here
3)sells it here in canada with no taxes because they make no profit here.

so microsoft could also be doing a cheat system there is alot of them. i can give you alot of examples. also another thing is i think canada should lower coprate tax because one of our major problems is low productivity and i have heard this may increase it

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Who ya votin' for?

You are much more given to handing out corporate welfare, you mean.

No Rev, we applaud and reward successful corporations. They already take care of their fair share by putting more into our economy. Capitalism/free enterprise at it's finest. A better performing company (on the stock market) equals a better performing economy.

 

[Nascar_James]

Nascar wrote:

Rev, who cares what the rate is if they don't pay the tax. Did you know that a powerhouse such as Microsoft has not paid any US corporate income tax last year?

And yet, just like in Canada, the biggest employers in the U.S. are not the giant corporations, but small businesses. Those small businesses pay lots of tax. Funny isn't it.

Juan, in using my earlier example of Microsoft, in Washington state alone (their main US workforce), they employ 28,900 employees. This does not include the total worldwide count. That is a substantial count for what you term a giant corporation.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Nascar, you have a gap between the richest and the poorest in your country that makes you look like the third world. A lack of corporate taxation and too much corporate intrusion into your political process is largely to blame for that.

 

[Jay]

Harper's a nutbag. He's not scary, his ideas are scary.

Just go to Google and type in "Stephen Harper quotes". Colpy can try to spin all he wants to, but when you look at what the man has said, words from his lips, it becomes clear that he's an extremist nutbag freak who should be castrated with dull, rusty bolt cutters.

Now this is what you call a reasonable discussion of the issues.

I'd like to talk about the NDP's "Secret Agenda". I have it on good authority that the NDP, if Jack Layton becomes Prime Minister, will force through legislation to achieve the following:

1. Gay Marriage will be made mandatory.

2. All pregnant women will have to undergo testing to determine the race and gender of their babies. All white males will be aborted.

3. The military will be dispersed across the country to act as facilitators in Canada's new kinder, gentler defense system. Soldiers will be giving lectures (attendence mandatory) on gender equality, multicultural tolerance, and Karl Marx.

4. Our defense system will be updated to consist of CDs sent to every TV and Radio station to be played in case of attack. The tapes will consist of Svend Robinson crying and pleading "we surrender, please don't hurt us"

5. In an attempt to mollify the unfortunate Islamists of the world, Canada will ship Osama bin Laden a adult white male infidel a day, for Osama to dispatch as he pleases.

6. All Indian land claims will be instantly recognized. All Canadians will pay rent to First Nations.

7. A group of re-education camps will be established throughout the nation for people who continue to drive gasoline powered vehicles.

8. The government will collect your paycheck on payday. You will be given an allowance, as long as you are well behaved.

9. Babies will be taken from their mothers at 6 months of age, so to be given all the advantages of early learning of the truths of Canadian NDP culture.

Please be reassured, an NDP government would only do what they know is good for you.

That's great Colpy....good job!

 

[Reverend Blair]

More bullshit from the fear and scandal moners on the radical right, eh Jay. The fact remains that yours are made up while the things I put up came right out of Harper's mouth.

Really. Go to Google. Type in "Stephen Harper Quotes." Check out the National Citizens' Coalition, a group that was formed to keep healthcare in the hands of the insurance industry, and see what the policies they've pushed for are. Check out the things that Tom Flanagan, a senior Harper advisor and the man in charge of the Conservative TV campaign has said. The man hate natives and is opposed to Metis rights.

This is the party you guys are supporting...bigoted, racist, no respect for the separation between church and state, corrupt even without having attained power, and too inept to keep their true agenda hidden.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Who ya votin' for?

More bullshit from the fear and scandal moners on the radical right, eh Jay. The fact remains that yours are made up while the things I put up came right out of Harper's mouth.

Really. Go to Google. Type in "Stephen Harper Quotes." Check out the National Citizens' Coalition, a group that was formed to keep healthcare in the hands of the insurance industry, and see what the policies they've pushed for are. Check out the things that Tom Flanagan, a senior Harper advisor and the man in charge of the Conservative TV campaign has said. The man hate natives and is opposed to Metis rights.

This is the party you guys are supporting...bigoted, racist, no respect for the separation between church and state, corrupt even without having attained power, and too inept to keep their true agenda hidden.

Rev, this ia a load of BS even for you.

Are you gonna get worse as the election approaches?

Let's hit these things one by one, my pet peeve first;

I challenge you: Find me ONE quote from Stephen Harper that is racist. ONE!!!

Then we'll go on.

BTW, the following, from Queen's University Press, is about Flanagan and his book on natives:

Paper 0773520708
Release date: 2000-04-06
CA $27.95 | US $27.95 | UK £15.95


Cloth 0773520643
Release date: 2000-04-01
CA $80.00 | US $80.00 | UK £40.00


216pp



Subjects:
Native Studies Public Policy: Canadian



Controversial and thought-provoking, Tom Flanagan's First Nations? Second Thoughts dissects the prevailing orthodoxy that determines public policy towards Canada's Aboriginal peoples. Flanagan argues that this orthodoxy enriches and empowers a small elite of activists, politicians, administrators, middlemen, and well-connected entrepreneurs, while bringing further misery to the very people it is supposed to help.

Over the last thirty years Canadian policy on Aboriginal issues has come to be dominated by an ideology that sees Aboriginal peoples as "nations" entitled to specific rights. Indians and Inuit now enjoy a cornucopia of legal privileges, including rights to self-government beyond federal and provincial jurisdiction, immunity from taxation, court decisions reopening treaty issues settled long ago, the right to hunt and fish without legal limits, and free housing, education, and medical care as well as other economic benefits. Underpinning these privileges is what Flanagan describes as Aboriginal orthodoxy - a set of beliefs that hold that prior residence in North America is an entitlement to special treatment; that Aboriginal peoples are part of sovereign nations endowed with an inherent right to self-government; that Aboriginals must have collective rather than individual property rights; that all treaties must be renegotiated on a "nation-to-nation" basis; and that Native people should be encouraged to build prosperous "Aboriginal economies" through money, land, and natural resources transferred from other Canadians.

In First Nations? Second Thoughts Flanagan combines conceptual analysis with historical and empirical information to show that the Aboriginal orthodoxy is both unworkable and ultimately destructive to the people it is supposed to help.


Review quotes
"Flanagan's arguments are, without question, the most thoughtful and comprehensive of the critiques of aboriginal policy that have been offered so far ... His views are controversial and, whether or not you agree with him, there is a clear need for his arguments to be publicly available and debated." Alan Cairns, Faculty of Law, University of British Columbia



Tom Flanagan is professor of political science at the University of Calgary. He writes a monthly column in the Globe and Mail and has published two books on Louis Riel.

Yep, a real racist and monster.

You are discrediting yourself, Rev, with your refusal to discuss policy in any realistic way. You just spout paranoid, harmful lies.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Nice try, Colpy. Flanagan wrote an entire book about how natives don't deserve anything...nevermind that the treaties we signed with them are recognised at the international level. He would take away their rights. He never would have given the Metis any recognition at all if it was up to him.

In his book, he paints a picture of natives as lazy, corrupt, and not too intelligent. He then, presumably in hopes of not being tagged as the racist f*cker he is, tries to blame that on native rights. His suggestion is to take away their rights because he's too f*cking cheap and stupid to want to pay taxes. F*uck him.

Instead of reading a review, you should read his book. You should learn a little about natives in this country too, and learn what's in the treaties, why and when they were signed, and what's gone on since. Once you've done that you'll realise that Flanagan is a piece of crap who should be sent to Amerika where he came from.

 

[Jay]

"Review quotes
"Flanagan's arguments are, without question, the most thoughtful and comprehensive of the critiques of aboriginal policy that have been offered so far ... His views are controversial and, whether or not you agree with him, there is a clear need for his arguments to be publicly available and debated." Alan Cairns, Faculty of Law, University of British Columbia "


Another racist?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Read the book, not the reviews, Jay. I don't know Alan Cairns or his motivation for writing the review. I do know a lot of people who have been dealing with native issues since the 1950's and I do know that Flanagan is not one of those people. When I read his book, the racism was evident. I'm not the only one that thinks so, native leaders and those who work with them have said the same thing.

 

[Jay]

I might read the book someday.

Native leaders scream racism at every turn. That isn't unusual.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Native leaders don't talk about racism nearly enough, Jay. Take the time to learn about the entire issue instead of just taking the word of one imported American named Flanagan though.

The treaties are all available online. That's a good place to start.

 

[Jay]

I'm not taking the word of Flanagan.

 

[Reverend Blair]

So you are going to actually learn about the issue? After you get done reading the treaties, I suggest that you visit some reserves. Try Pukatawagan and Little Saskatchewan for starters. Those are lovely places to fly into to...especially in the winter.