Where will Canadian doctors go?

SirJosephPorter

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That is really copying us, each State has one member of the House of Representatives based upon the population of that particular state.

Indeed, ironsides. In Canada, we also have representation based upon the population in The House of Commons. But Senate numbers have been established for a long time now, with no change. There is demand (mostly in the West, Ontario and Quebec are opposed to it, so it doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hell of happening) that we have equal Senate, with 10 Senators from each province, patterned after your Senate (where you have 2 from each state).
 

VanIsle

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All medical schools are not equal as are qualifications to become a doctor in all countries.
Agreed but why can't they write a test to see how well they do? Canada is short of doctors, particularly family doctors but many students now seem to be going for the big(bigger) bucks and specializing. I know we are also short of many kinds of specialists but surely some of the doctors who immigrate to this country are qualified to be a family doctor. I'm not saying they are not qualified for more but if they can pass a written test, then maybe that could be the next step.
 

AnnaG

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Anna, term limit was proposed by Republicans in USA. Now Republicans themselves have gone off the idea of term limits. None of the Republicans Senators, or Congressmen retire after two terms.
BS The president only serves two terms unless they die, get ejected, or give up.

In USA they enacted two term limit for President, because Republicans did not want the repeat of FDR, who served four terms. But as soon as a popular president comes along, there are demands to get rid of that rule. Some republicans demanded that the two term rule be abolished, when Reagan’s second term neared its end. Some Democrats made the same demand when Clinton’s second term neared it send.

I don’t think there are too many people who think that term limit is a good idea. You are from the West, I assume Harper is your idol. I don’t think he supports term limits either. And I doubt you would support term limits for Harper anyway (you probably would support it for a Liberal PM).
Assumptions like that are for morons.

In USA, term limit was a fad which Republicans embraced briefly, in order to get elected. In Canada, it is another Western fad, along with equal Senate and American style health care.

Term limit is not an Americanism, It used to be. But these days nobody is talking of term limits in USA.
Then the prezes can stay as long as they like. Well, if you can produce proof of that then I will accept I am wrong. Until then, you are.

And all this is besides the topic, anyway.
 

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AnnaG

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I thought you have the right to recall a MP just about anytime if you get (lose of confidence) enough votes. Guess it is the same here with the impeachment.

No we don’t, ironsides. There is no mechanism to remove an MP from the Parliament. The most that can happen is that party may expel him from the party caucus and he may have to sit as an independent. But short of being convicted for a criminal offense (whereby he will have to serve prison time), I don’t think there is any mechanism to remove an MP from office.
Make up your mind, either they can be unseated or they can't. The PM fires cabinet ministers, parties reject people's memberships, etc.

And you don’t have it either. Short of a criminal conviction, you cannot remove a Senator or a Congressman from office (even after a criminal conviction, when he is serving prison sentence, I am not sure if he can be removed from the office). Impeachment is for presidents, governors and federal judges, not for Senators and Congressmen.
So here too, you are saying that a congressperson can't be ejected, and then you provide an instance where they can. I'd say you are confused a little.
 

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Agreed but why can't they write a test to see how well they do? Canada is short of doctors, particularly family doctors but many students now seem to be going for the big(bigger) bucks and specializing. I know we are also short of many kinds of specialists but surely some of the doctors who immigrate to this country are qualified to be a family doctor. I'm not saying they are not qualified for more but if they can pass a written test, then maybe that could be the next step.


I think that the Universities they graduate from must also be certified. If someone graduates from a accredited university, they still must still serve a internship like all doctors. Not sure if there is a written test to become a certified doctor able to practice.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Agreed but why can't they write a test to see how well they do? Canada is short of doctors, particularly family doctors but many students now seem to be going for the big(bigger) bucks and specializing. I know we are also short of many kinds of specialists but surely some of the doctors who immigrate to this country are qualified to be a family doctor. I'm not saying they are not qualified for more but if they can pass a written test, then maybe that could be the next step.

That is a big scandal, VanIsle, and not just involving doctors. Canada is vicious when it comes to certifying the qualifications of foreigners, Americans do a much better job.

There are several hundred doctors in Toronto, doing odd jobs, driving taxi or delivering pizza, because their qualifications have not been recognized. In Canada it is a long process, it takes several years to get your qualification approved.
 

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Not sure if there is a written test to become a certified doctor able to practice.

All graduates of an MD program must write a test to be certified, just as a lawyer must first pass their bar examination before they can practice law.
 

AnnaG

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This just goes to indicate that Canada is top heavy with bureaucracy and it interferes with bloody near everything.. The wise thing to do would be to get rid of it and quit causing Canadian doctors to leave, foreign doctors to become cabbies, etc.
 

VanIsle

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I think that the Universities they graduate from must also be certified. If someone graduates from a accredited university, they still must still serve a internship like all doctors. Not sure if there is a written test to become a certified doctor able to practice.
I don't think I was clear in what I was meaning. I just meant that if a person comes here from another country and already has a degree in medicine, maybe they could write an exam to see how much they do know and how well they read and speak our language. Then after that, even if they were already a specialist they could be a family doctor for a brief time (or longer if they wanted) until it is clear that they are well educated in the medical field. It is time for the red tape to disappear and these degrees recognized.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I don't think I was clear in what I was meaning. I just meant that if a person comes here from another country and already has a degree in medicine, maybe they could write an exam to see how much they do know and how well they read and speak our language. Then after that, even if they were already a specialist they could be a family doctor for a brief time (or longer if they wanted) until it is clear that they are well educated in the medical field. It is time for the red tape to disappear and these degrees recognized.


VanIsle, foreign medical graduates must pass a series of exams in Canada. After they have cleared that (I think it takes more than a year just to clear the exams), then they can apply for training posts. There are very few training posts available for foreign doctors; at least here in Ontario (I assume the situation is the same everywhere).

Then they are given pre-internship training for one year (similar to the clerkship training that Canadian medical students receive in their third year). After that they may apply for a residency position (Canada does not recognize any forgiven medical degree, except the ones from USA).

At the minimum it takes two years to get into the system, it takes two years minimum before he can start the pre-internship training. At the most, who knows. There have been doctors in Toronto, waiting for 5 years, even ten years to get their qualification certified. Quite a few of them get frustrated and go over to USA.
 

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The provincial govmnt(big brother) tells them what they get paid per procedure, which procedures they can charge for and that they can't charge for extra services. My brother, a GP in Texas, cannot legally turn away a patient; he must treat all patients who ask him for help and then he gets reimbursed by the patient, the ins company, the HMO, or the govmnt(medicare/medicaid).

What you didn't mention though is that if the procedure bankrupts the patient, thems the breaks. In Canada, no one loses their home, and everything they own because they had a heart attack.

How aggressive are collections against patients who don't pay?
 

SirJosephPorter

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More piffle. Where's your link for this scheise?

Tell me which major political party, either in USA or Canada is talking of term limits. If the idea was so popular with the people, some party would invariably come out in support of it, parties are always looking for votes.

But none of the major parties is talking of term limits. Republicans talked about it briefly, just to win election. They abandoned it as soon as they won the election.

If asked in abstract, people may support term limit, but it is not an important issue to anybody.
 

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Tell me which major political party, either in USA or Canada is talking of term limits. If the idea was so popular with the people, some party would invariably come out in support of it, parties are always looking for votes.

But none of the major parties is talking of term limits. Republicans talked about it briefly, just to win election. They abandoned it as soon as they won the election.

If asked in abstract, people may support term limit, but it is not an important issue to anybody.
Anecdotal poop. Where's your evidence?
 

SirJosephPorter

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Anecdotal poop. Where's your evidence?

That is my evidence. If none of the political parties is pushing the issue of term limits, that tells me that the issue does not resonate with the people, the issue is not important. No political mileage is to be had by promoting the issue. It is a non issue.

That is my evidence, and it is good enough for me.
 

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That is my evidence. If none of the political parties is pushing the issue of term limits, that tells me that the issue does not resonate with the people, the issue is not important. No political mileage is to be had by promoting the issue. It is a non issue.

That is my evidence, and it is good enough for me.

Would SOMEBODY please tell SJP that Presidential term limits are Constitutionally MANDATED by the 22nd amendment.....there need be no debate, they are already in place, and the people like it that way.

He can't see my posts...I'm blocked because he simply can't deal with truth that threatens his secure little fantasy world.