Where is canada going?

Kakato

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It is so refreshing to see a positive attitude such as yours, WW, nothing is accomplished without one. Keep up the good work and Canada may just one day be the mess you think it is. ;-)

The open diamond pits and the oilsands have some of the most stringent environmental laws in the world so try again.
 

countryboy

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An idea for a plan is to abrogate the NAFTA Agreement and attempt to realign with the movers & shakers of the 21st century China, India, Brazil etal & find niche where they are weak & work with them as partners in a Global Economy. Typically our niche is natural resources so we'll still be hewers of wood & drawers of water however maybe that expertise can exported as well as the material to make it happen.

Do you think we have to stay with our traditional niche(s) or perhaps look for some new ones?
 

weaselwords

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I think the point here is we are leaders in our niche both in expertise , techonology & advancement lets work with what we are good at & further advances will come. We are limited in what we can do & where we go because of labour costs & at this point government we need a more insular government for trade protection.
I'm being called I'll have to finish later.
 

justinmb

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Alot of this country is green that is not the issue alot of europe is green but there is alot less green there now than there was even 100 years ago and if we stay on the same path we are on now canada will be alot less green in the future too.

I grew up in various towns in the real North Western Ontario T-bay and north to Kenora area and have seen my fair share of deforestation my dad was a logger most the towns only exist because of mills or mines.

They are perfect examples of the failure to specialize because when a mill or a mine shuts down so does the majority of the town.

I agree with "Mowich"'s comment above we need to put the farms back in the hands of the families and that would make us a more sustainable country agricultural wise with the added benefit of having healthier people and land.

My wife and I have purchased 160 acres in NWO Oxdrift to be exact and it consists of 50acres of field 20 of which we lease to the government for tree species preservation efforts the other 110acres is forested with hiking trails in it the property could be sustainable as a homestead where one in the family could stay home with the kids and tend the homestead ie gardens and animals with only a few necessitates to buy from town which we still need to help the economy and I have become accustomed to some city vises but I think it is a good mixture of both lifestyles that will ultimately help this country move into the future we need to grow a lot of our own food and for the health of our society one parent must be at home raising the children man or woman raising a family and a household has become a lost art and it shows.

I look forward to the day we move from the city to the country permanently.
 

petros

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The fact of the matter is we are so closely allied to the US economically, Canada does not have a choice at this point but to follow its lead. Any attempt at moving outside its sphere of influence would be stalled immediately if not sooner.
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Oh no no no. It only APPEARS to be ties with US companies but the bulk of stockholders are mainly in Europe and Asia and that is were the profits go.

They USED TO BE American corporations but things have long since changed. Just because a company is listed with the SEC and traded in the US doesn't mean it is US owned.

Canada is listed on the SEC and is traded on NYSE and FX but our head office is in Washington D.C. , NOT Ottawa.

ALL big money is pimped out of "City States" like Washington DC, City of London and the Vatican. These City States aren't not part of the the USA, UK or Italy, all have their own constitutons, their own laws, their own law enforcement seperate from their host nations.
 

countryboy

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I think the point here is we are leaders in our niche both in expertise , techonology & advancement lets work with what we are good at & further advances will come. We are limited in what we can do & where we go because of labour costs & at this point government we need a more insular government for trade protection.
I'm being called I'll have to finish later.

Yeah, I must run too...duty calls. But before I do, I wanted to throw out another thought on this subject...

What if we were to come up with a list of industries or areas that we could target as having the potential to become good, solid generators of value for Canada. The surrounding issues (such as trade legislation, etc.) would/could be addressed as the requirements become more clear. (as the plan unfolds). If you look back at the posts so far, that type of list would look something like this:

1. Green Industry (an industry composed of different businesses that are dedicated to pollution control, which would make virtually all industries anywhere a market for their products, services, and technology.
2. A new approach to Farming and Food Production - a value generator but offers a number of side benefits, potentially.
3.
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6.
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9.
10.

Hey, a list of 10 would look pretty nice, don't you think? :smile:

To me, target setting is like planning a trip. First step is deciding where you want to go. Next step is qualifying the location to make sure that's really where you want to go. Next step is deciding how to get there, and so on...
 

darkbeaver

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Where is Canada going? I would guess, following the historical disposition of rich but loosely watched natural assets, that we will be going to war. Now my suggestion is to recall our military from the Ghan ,(and anywhere else they are) and redeploy along our southern border to keep the terrorists out. Above all we must think regional and community industries. Furniture manufacture, food production, non induststrial agriculture and alternative power and medicine all and any businesses presently run or supplied by non resident industries, in other words, deglobalization. Of course none of this has a chance as long as education is left to the bankers. First we crush the bankers once and for all time. Failing that we can expect no change and no hope of success.
 

countryboy

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Where is Canada going? I would guess, following the historical disposition of rich but loosely watched natural assets, that we will be going to war. Now my suggestion is to recall our military from the Ghan ,(and anywhere else they are) and redeploy along our southern border to keep the terrorists out. Above all we must think regional and community industries. Furniture manufacture, food production, non induststrial agriculture and alternative power and medicine all and any businesses presently run or supplied by non resident industries, in other words, deglobalization. Of course none of this has a chance as long as education is left to the bankers. First we crush the bankers once and for all time. Failing that we can expect no change and no hope of success.

Hey DB - That ain't a bad list you have in there! Looks like you banged out 3 new ones right off the bat. (Is it OK if I leave out the military thing from the list? That could be added later as a support function, if necessary...ditto with the banker thought...) :-|

Current list (revision 01):

1. Green Industry (Pollution control)
2. Farming & Food (Non-industrial)
3. Furniture Manufacturing
4. Alternative Power
5. Alternative Medicine
6.
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8.
9.
10.

If the target is 10, we're halfway there! :cool:
 
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countryboy

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Where is Canada going? Think "China" and you'll get the idea.

Which idea was that? I'm keeping track of the list and it still looks like this:

Current list (revision 01):

1. Green Industry (Pollution control)
2. Farming & Food (Non-industrial)
3. Furniture Manufacturing
4. Alternative Power
5. Alternative Medicine
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
 

petros

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1. Green Industry (Pollution control) Funded by the taxpayer.
2. Farming & Food (Non-industrial) The majority of crops grown in canada aren't edible by humans and are for industrial purposes.
3. Furniture Manufacturing. Good luck competing with IKEA or China
4. Alternative Power Alternate self funded for you while public power generation is sold off to private interests and C02 pumped into the ground to be used as a solvent to extract even more oil.
5. Alternative Medicine Gets heavily regulated Dec 31 2009 with doseages of 1/100th that make an effect whether positive or negative. Effective doseage will only be available by Rx only and sold by pharmaceutical companies only.

6. International Free Trade Zones No taxes, no labour laws, products assembled
from imported parts and falsly given Made in Canada labels. Just like Shenzhen or Nogales.
 

darkbeaver

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8. the immediate lifting of all barriers, legal and other wise, to cannabis ingestion, cultivation and distribution

9. the entire country must be sprayed by cannabis bombers
 

countryboy

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Had a bit of a time trying to fit the temper tantrums and other fun into the list, so here's the updated version again. Please feel free to add to it...

Current list (revision 01):

1. Green Industry (Pollution control)
2. Farming & Food (Non-industrial)
3. Furniture Manufacturing
4. Alternative Power
5. Alternative Medicine
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.