What's your opinion on United States Of America?
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The way I interpret the OP is what our opinion is of the country, not the poor saps who have to live with their government. As far as I'm concerned, people are people no matter what colour, religion or intelligence quotient. The US may be the land of the free, but the rest of the world has to pay for it. As for the land of the brave, I fail to see how killing people by remote control like some virtual reality war game is being brave. I think anybody who gets out of bed in the morning to face the insanity of this "civilization" has to be brave or completely insane.
You certainly are entitled....I'm not dragging you to a shrink, just advising you it might help....
BTW, what part of my post was untrue??????
The US, with nominal help from others, has freed 100's of millions from tyranny including: Japan, Russia, most of Eastern Europe, Kuwait, Iraq, Grenada, Panama, Philipines and currently protects many countries such as Taiwan and Isreal from imminent threats to their sovereignty. Not bad for a country that so many on this forum loathe. If only all countries were as magnanimous.
This piece is a bit dated but the sentiment still rings true:
The Americans
Broadcast June 5, 1973
CFRB, Toronto, Ontario
Topic: "The Americans"
The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.
As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.
They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.
The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.
I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.
Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.
When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.
Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.
I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.
This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over… has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.
This piece is a bit dated but the sentiment still rings true:
The Americans
Gordon Sinclair
Radio Station CFBR 1010
2 St. Clair Avenue West
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
"LET'S BE PERSONAL"Radio Station CFBR 1010
2 St. Clair Avenue West
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Broadcast June 5, 1973
CFRB, Toronto, Ontario
Topic: "The Americans"
The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.
As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.
They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.
The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.
I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.
Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.
When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.
Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.
I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.
This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over… has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.
You certainly are entitled....I'm not dragging you to a shrink, just advising you it might help....
BTW, what part of my post was untrue??????
There were several parts that I would say were "untrue" or "inaccurate", but that would just be my opinion. Opinion being the keyword in this thread, since that was what was asked for. I personally don't give a rats ass how things are spun to make the united sl*ts of america look good. In my minds eye they are on the same level as every other terrorist organization out there. From where I sit it is YOU that needs to seek counselling for the brainwashing that you have received.
They are the good guys? Sure........ and there are those that feel the taliban are the "good guys", AlQueda are the "good guys", Stalin, Phol Pot, .................... all a matter of perspective. From my perspective, they are all respnsible for thousands, if not millions of deaths. They all are cut from the same cloth.
That's right, yap on, refuse to deal with the issue, wallow in unreasoned hatred, spit on YOUR friends and allies, the people that have helped keep YOU free and safe for the last 70 years.........and compare them to every tinpot homicidal lunatic on the face of the earth, equate them with your worst enemies, organizations that would happily bury you alive, after forcing you to dig your own grave........
Yep, then accuse me of being brainwashed! And in need of psychological help!
It is to laugh......
You never cease to amaze me with this stuff, even in a forum filled with anti-Americanisms....
And you are totally unable to debate the facts, as so aptly revealed by your refusal to deal with the "propaganda" I posted in my original challange to your BS.
I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out how these people can build up so much hatred for the U.S. and it's got me pretty well beat, but I suppose there is one scenario of a guy going down to Sweetgrass Montana and stopping at the bar and mouthing off to locals and getting the sh*t beaten out of him and his sorry ass deposited back across the line. Something like that mightn't make you too fond of them.
Politics-wise I think the US is better than some other countries and worse than some others. People-wise; there are good and bad people, but most are ok. Technologically, it's pretty good although quality doesn't seem to be the main focus sometimes. Scenically, it's great, but there are too many people.
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Why? Because of your prejudice? No.
It's unfortunate that someone fed you a bad chicken burger or something when you were in the States one time, but that's not rational grounds for hating an entire nation of people.
\christ... you do think alot of yourself don't ya...you and anna were made for each other. It was JLM that said he was wrackin his brain. My post was in reply to his.
As for my reasons for my dislike of the states, have stated them all in the past, not about to do it again. Suffice it to say that a "bad chicken burger" is far from the truth.
Not particularly.
I just didn't read JLM's post and your reply followed my post, not his and you didn't specify you were replying to anyone in particular.. I guess that didn't occur to you before you shot your fool mouth off. rofl
Whatever. It still sounds like just some sour grapes over something that's likely pretty trivial. What happened? Didn't they let you in sometime? Booted you out once? A couple good ol boys pulled a Deliverance on you? lol
Like I said....think alot of yourself. If you didn't, then you wouldn't automatically assume that my dislike for the states was all about me, because it ain't. As a matter of fact it has nothing to do with me personally and everything to do with my Country and the rest of the world.
Iceland's population is 300k, approximately the same size as the lower east side neighborhood of New York City. It is a nearly homogeneous society of Norse and Celts. It's not possible to compare the education of Iceland to the entire US.
The US has a huge first generation immigrant population. In New York City there are over 150 different language spoken in the homes of the school children. That factor alone, in just one US city, is going to have an impact on education for a country all else being equal. Compare like areas of the US to Canada, Iceland or anyplace else and there's no reason to think the US wouldn't be on top.
If the US 'is a very good nation overall " but not the greatest", then which one is the greatest? Which country, overall, is 'better' than the US?
Well there are thousands of Americans killed and injured ans that sort of takes the wind out of idea of us killing simply by remote control. If only it was that easy. Come to think of it, most of those Americans were killed by remote IED's.
I think you are very "warm", but I'd have to say Canada has you edged out by a hair. :smile: