What's Trump Done Now?
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Trump’s campaign has failed to make any real headway in court without proof of widespread fraud, which experts widely agree doesn’t exist. Over the course of a single day this week, Trump and his Republican allies dropped or lost cases seeking to block the certification of election results in four different states.
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EXPLAINER: Trump's election challenges falling flat in court
While President Donald Trump vows to press ahead with efforts to overturn the election, judges across the country have consistently swatted down his legal challenges.
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Which experts are those that widely agree ? Did you see the poll where 37% of Democrats believe the election was rigged against Trump . Do those experts agree ?
It's like getting a flat tire. It only takes 1 tire out of 4 to ruin a family roadtrip.
99% of those cases were private lawsuits, supported by the Trump team, that were rejected by not enough evidence to overturn the results. Trump's lawyers are going to start the legal assault next week and it started with Kemp having doubts with valid voter signatures, opening the door.
You're correct in that multiple private lawsuits, supported by the Trump team were rejected. However the article I posted spoke to cases that, for the most part, were conducted by Trump's campaign.
I suppose we will soon know what Trump's lawyers have up their collective sleeves to mount this legal assault you speak of. If it's the same evidence that was presented in Pennsylvania by Trump's team, according to what the judge said, it seemed to be pretty weak. I don't think that case can be brought us again since the judge dismissed it with prejudice. Rudy said that was what he wanted though, to push faster the case to the Supreme Court, time will tell.
This is from the News & Guts site/The Palmer Report.
Donald Trump just pardoned Michael Flynn – but it could blow up in both their faces
Bill Palmer | 4:40 pm EST November 25, 2020
Palmer Report » Analysis
As expected, Donald Trump just announced a “full pardon” for Michael Flynn. Keep in mind that pardons are not magic wands for Trump. There are three ways in which this could blow back on Flynn and land him in prison anyway, and one way it could actually help send Trump to prison.
First, Flynn dodged several more serious criminal charges when he cut his cooperating plea deal on a lesser charge. Flynn went on to violate his plea deal, meaning prosecutors can now hit him with those more serious charges. Trump can try to word his pardon to include any and all crimes that Flynn hasn’t yet been charged with, but that’ll be legally flimsy, and prosecutors can challenge it in court. So Flynn could end up with more prison time than the zero to six months he was facing.
Second, because there is no clear precedent for a President being able to pardon his own criminal co-conspirators, prosecutors can try to get the entire pardon thrown out in court. This would in turn set the precedent to invalidate every pardon that Trump tries to issue to a co-conspirator. In fact Judge Sullivan, who’s handling the current Flynn case, and simply issue the opinion that this pardon is unlawful, sentence Flynn to prison, and dare him to appeal.
Third, depending on the nature of his other crimes and the states he committed them in, Flynn could be subject to state level criminal charges.
Now here’s the part where this gets ugly for Trump. If Flynn’s pardon holds up and he does skate entirely, then he’ll no longer face any criminal jeopardy. In such case the Fifth Amendment will no longer apply, and Flynn will then be required to testify against Trump. That’s right, this pardon could help put Trump in prison.
If Flynn refuses to testify against Trump, he can then be charged with felony obstruction – and Trump’s pardon certainly won’t apply to any crimes that Flynn commits after the pardon. The bottom line: Flynn probably ends up in prison one way or the other anyway, and Trump is now more of a lock for prison than ever.
Pardoning his co-conspirators is not a good option for Donald Trump. It opens up all kinds of problems for him. It’s just that it’s the only move he has left when it comes to trying to keep his co-conspirators from cutting plea deals against him. Don’t let anyone portray Trump’s pardons as magic wands. They’re treasonous, but they’re not all that effective.
Donald Trump just pardoned Michael Flynn – but it could blow up in both their faces
Bill Palmer | 4:40 pm EST November 25, 2020
Palmer Report » Analysis
As expected, Donald Trump just announced a “full pardon” for Michael Flynn. Keep in mind that pardons are not magic wands for Trump. There are three ways in which this could blow back on Flynn and land him in prison anyway, and one way it could actually help send Trump to prison.
First, Flynn dodged several more serious criminal charges when he cut his cooperating plea deal on a lesser charge. Flynn went on to violate his plea deal, meaning prosecutors can now hit him with those more serious charges. Trump can try to word his pardon to include any and all crimes that Flynn hasn’t yet been charged with, but that’ll be legally flimsy, and prosecutors can challenge it in court. So Flynn could end up with more prison time than the zero to six months he was facing.
Second, because there is no clear precedent for a President being able to pardon his own criminal co-conspirators, prosecutors can try to get the entire pardon thrown out in court. This would in turn set the precedent to invalidate every pardon that Trump tries to issue to a co-conspirator. In fact Judge Sullivan, who’s handling the current Flynn case, and simply issue the opinion that this pardon is unlawful, sentence Flynn to prison, and dare him to appeal.
Third, depending on the nature of his other crimes and the states he committed them in, Flynn could be subject to state level criminal charges.
Now here’s the part where this gets ugly for Trump. If Flynn’s pardon holds up and he does skate entirely, then he’ll no longer face any criminal jeopardy. In such case the Fifth Amendment will no longer apply, and Flynn will then be required to testify against Trump. That’s right, this pardon could help put Trump in prison.
If Flynn refuses to testify against Trump, he can then be charged with felony obstruction – and Trump’s pardon certainly won’t apply to any crimes that Flynn commits after the pardon. The bottom line: Flynn probably ends up in prison one way or the other anyway, and Trump is now more of a lock for prison than ever.
Pardoning his co-conspirators is not a good option for Donald Trump. It opens up all kinds of problems for him. It’s just that it’s the only move he has left when it comes to trying to keep his co-conspirators from cutting plea deals against him. Don’t let anyone portray Trump’s pardons as magic wands. They’re treasonous, but they’re not all that effective.
You cant get one, you're a felon in their eyes.
Sucks to be Cliff.
Sucks to be Cliff.
your posts do improve my english vocabulary! thanks! When I will ever have to use that word, I haven't a clue
Make soup from the leg bone of a thesaurus. Its delectable.your posts do improve my english vocabulary! thanks! When I will ever have to use that word, I haven't a clue
Maybe one last thing to help the USA before he leaves office
Census Gives Trump a Final Supreme Court Showdown on Immigration
Next time you have to talk to an internet lawyer.your posts do improve my english vocabulary! thanks! When I will ever have to use that word, I haven't a clue
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