What's the difference between Canadians' & Americans' ?
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I found another difference lately.
American politicians can say things like 'Canada is a parasite on our healthcare system', and it's just open debate. Canadian say anything negative, and it's rampant anti-Americanism.
American politicians can say things like 'Canada is a parasite on our healthcare system', and it's just open debate. Canadian say anything negative, and it's rampant anti-Americanism.
Americans in general have contempt for any health care system except their own. They regard all other systems as Socialist systems, and in the minds of many Americans, there is very little difference between Socialist and Communist.
So they think that their health care system is the best in the world, even though they spend more than any other country in the world and obtain poorer results than almost every developed country in the world.
As to anti-Americanism, i am proud to be accused of anti-Americanism.
And, as always, you are WRONG!!!!
The USA is rated 37th in the world for the effectiveness of their health care system.
Before you starting spouting off........Canada is only number 30.......out of 190.
In otherwords, our systems are close to the same in the areas studied.
The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
The "gentleman" this is directed at has me on ignore....perhaps someone could pass on the pertinent bits of this post? Although I know every attempt to educate him is a complete waste of time, I just can't help trying .........
Yes SJP I do have contempt for anyone or any system that puts a price on a human life, nothing but contempt. When a person is sick, why should cost even come into the equation to make that person better. In your little story you mentioned that in the U.S. a person would be tested many times for that head pain, in Canada they would get around to it when ever and in England there told just live with it, guess just take drugs. In the U.S. that person would have had the source of his pain found, treated, cured and him sent on his way. You keep mentioning child birth rate here in the U.S. We have 12 million undocumented people in this country having children. These children born into one of the best health systems in the world, they have free care till their 18th birthday and they are automatically American citizens. As I mentioned in a earlier post the problem is prenatal care, which you would think is a easy problem to fix, which it is, just give them prenatal insurance. I do know we have another problem's also and that is thinking you can use technology to have children without consequences. We use technology to much. Today a person wants a child so bad they take all kinds of drugs go thru all sorts of procedures in order to carry a full term baby in a body that nature never intended to have children, that can and does harm a child. There are many reason for a higher death rate in the U.S. than other countries.
In your little story you mentioned that in the U.S. a person would be tested many times for that head pain, in Canada they would get around to it when ever and in England there told just live with it, guess just take drugs.
I did not say head pain, ironsides, don’t put words in my mouth. I said shoulder pain, a totally different thing.
He went to doctors n several countries with a fictitious slight shoulder pain. In USA they ordered tests worth around 50,000 $, in ever other country they did not take any action.
I did not say head pain, ironsides, don’t put words in my mouth. I said shoulder pain, a totally different thing.
He went to doctors n several countries with a fictitious slight shoulder pain. In USA they ordered tests worth around 50,000 $, in ever other country they did not take any action.
And I did not say ‘child birth rate’; I talked of infant mortality, again totally different thing. Infant mortality in USA is among the highest in the developed world. It would help if you read the posts properly.
Who really cares, it was a pain. In the U.S. he would have been treated and released pain free. Now I also was talking about infant mortality, birth rate is just how many are born. They have these children, not knowing that medical care is available and there is where the hi mortality comes from. They are ignorant of exactly what medical care is available to them for many reasons. We are talking roughly 300,000 new babies that we find out about every year.
It would be to ones disadvantage to totally ignore anyone. Information can come from all sources even those you do not like.
Theres a difference and its more then subtle in in some places. All i can say is when you compare our renckecks to there rednecks we come out being more civilized. 
Theres a difference and its more then subtle in in some places. All i can say is when you compare our renckecks to there rednecks we come out being more civilized.
We've never met, have we??????:lol::lol:
I don't really care which medical system can piss farther, American or Canadian. I DO care that they BOTH need a lot of change before they are anywhere near as good as any country in the top 5.
And carrying on with my train of thought, BOTH countries have good points and bad points. The people of BOTH countries have good points and bad points. Get over it.
And carrying on with my train of thought, BOTH countries have good points and bad points. The people of BOTH countries have good points and bad points. Get over it.
So what you are saying is that pre and post natal care is available for free, but people don’t know enough to take advantage of it. An ingenious argument. I suppose you would advance the same argument for the low life expectancy in USA (people could have the highest life expectancy in the world, but they just aren’t aware of the resources).
And pain is not pain. Pain in head would be much more serious that shoulder pain. If he had gone to the doctors with head pain in different courtiers, you can be sure he would be treated right away, to try to diagnose the cause of the pain. It could potentially be serious.
Shoulder pain is nothing serious, it probably would go away by itself, there is no need to order 50,000 $ worth of tests for it. Chances are very high that it is just muscle pain (hence the advice in Britain to live with it). If it persists or becomes worse, I assume he will receive treatment.
Indeed, I think that is what doctors in USA perhaps don’t realize. Medical science tells us that 80 to 90% of the ailments get well without any treatment; the body itself does a pretty good job of healing itself. It is the renaming 10 or 20% that requires medical intervention. Not every complaint merits tests worth 50,000 $. But I suppose that is what keeps the medical costs in USA astronomically high.
It is available, just have to show up at emergency room clinics. (non emergency side if emergency rooms) Illegal aliens are scared of being caught and deported, and that is the problem. If they have no police record they do not get deported.
Canada>USA
Simple.
We're bigger, have universal health care, live in houses NOT motorhomes, have a PM not a President.
Or we could just say this:
"Hey, I'm not a lumberjack, or a fur trader....
I don't live in an igloo or eat blubber, or own a dogsled....
and I don't know Jimmy, Sally or Suzy from Canada,
although I'm certain they're really really nice.
I have a Prime Minister, not a president.
I speak English and French, not American.
And I pronounce it 'about', not 'a boot'.
I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack.
I believe in peace keeping, not policing,
diversity, not assimilation,
and that the beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.
A toque is a hat, a chesterfield is a couch,
and it is pronounced 'zed' not 'zee', 'zed' !!!!
Canada is the second largest landmass!
The first nation of hockey!
and the best part of North America
My name is Joe!!
And I am Canadian!!!"
Simple.
We're bigger, have universal health care, live in houses NOT motorhomes, have a PM not a President.
Or we could just say this:
"Hey, I'm not a lumberjack, or a fur trader....
I don't live in an igloo or eat blubber, or own a dogsled....
and I don't know Jimmy, Sally or Suzy from Canada,
although I'm certain they're really really nice.
I have a Prime Minister, not a president.
I speak English and French, not American.
And I pronounce it 'about', not 'a boot'.
I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack.
I believe in peace keeping, not policing,
diversity, not assimilation,
and that the beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.
A toque is a hat, a chesterfield is a couch,
and it is pronounced 'zed' not 'zee', 'zed' !!!!
Canada is the second largest landmass!
The first nation of hockey!
and the best part of North America
My name is Joe!!
And I am Canadian!!!"
Ironsides, your comment, "It is available, just have to show up at emergency room clinics. (non emergency side if emergency rooms) Illegal aliens are scared of being caught and deported, and that is the problem. If they have no police record they do not get deported."
Well ... a few years back when I was in the Canadian hospital waiting for the birth of my 2nd child, I chanced to be roomed with another woman who told me of a previous experience.
She was in Hawaii on vacation - not too far into her pregnancy. Sad to say she miscarried. She and her gainfully employed spouse went to a hospital . It promtley spit her out because she didn't have the 'right ' kind of insurance. Forget the fact that she was a woman miscarrying, no, she wasn't cover'd by an acceptable carrier (they were covered by Manitoba health care). No, they made a miscarrying woman find her own way to another hospital. So there she was, showing up at one of your emergency rooms, not scared of anything other than the fact that she might be loosing her baby (as she's just a visitor from Canada and had more interest in the wonders of Hawaii rather than immigration to an un-healthcare friendly' Country)
Get over yourself! You guys spend MORE on health care but have worse results - we spend less - but our results as far as the health of our population in general are better. We triage our population by need - you triage you population by ability to pay. You have wonderful abilities vis a vis medical resources. Big deal - they're only accessible to a very small segment of your society. Me? I'd rather live in a country with 'herd immunity'. Our pre and post natal women are cared for without condition. All children are entiled to immunizations and physical exams as are adults. We may not have all the bells and whistles, but here in Canada I've never seen an add letting lower income people know that it's a good thing to immunize your kids - and I saw that in the States when I lived there. We just take it for granted that you do it and you don't worry about the cost.
Now there are some people who want to look at what we have here and brand it souless Communism or socialism - me? I just call it doing unto others as I would have done to myself.
Well ... a few years back when I was in the Canadian hospital waiting for the birth of my 2nd child, I chanced to be roomed with another woman who told me of a previous experience.
She was in Hawaii on vacation - not too far into her pregnancy. Sad to say she miscarried. She and her gainfully employed spouse went to a hospital . It promtley spit her out because she didn't have the 'right ' kind of insurance. Forget the fact that she was a woman miscarrying, no, she wasn't cover'd by an acceptable carrier (they were covered by Manitoba health care). No, they made a miscarrying woman find her own way to another hospital. So there she was, showing up at one of your emergency rooms, not scared of anything other than the fact that she might be loosing her baby (as she's just a visitor from Canada and had more interest in the wonders of Hawaii rather than immigration to an un-healthcare friendly' Country)
Get over yourself! You guys spend MORE on health care but have worse results - we spend less - but our results as far as the health of our population in general are better. We triage our population by need - you triage you population by ability to pay. You have wonderful abilities vis a vis medical resources. Big deal - they're only accessible to a very small segment of your society. Me? I'd rather live in a country with 'herd immunity'. Our pre and post natal women are cared for without condition. All children are entiled to immunizations and physical exams as are adults. We may not have all the bells and whistles, but here in Canada I've never seen an add letting lower income people know that it's a good thing to immunize your kids - and I saw that in the States when I lived there. We just take it for granted that you do it and you don't worry about the cost.
Now there are some people who want to look at what we have here and brand it souless Communism or socialism - me? I just call it doing unto others as I would have done to myself.
Basically, an American is happy and proud to be an American, without comparing him/herself to the citizens of another nation.
We Canadians are not happy unless we think ( no proof necessary) that we are better than somebody else. Americans are a near and convenient target.
We Canadians are not happy unless we think ( no proof necessary) that we are better than somebody else. Americans are a near and convenient target.