What's the difference between Canadians' & Americans' ?

[lone wolf]

Childish response is it? How about 940 posts of childish griping and rants about how the world doesn't bow to you? It's a safe guess if you were the revered master of all, you'd still gripe about that....

Manners? What in Hell do you know about them?

 

[YukonJack]

"Childish response is it? How about 940 posts of childish griping and rants about how the world doesn't bow to you? It's a safe guess if you were the revered master of all, you'd still gripe about that....

Manners? What in Hell do you know about them?"

Well, then, how about 9405 posts, by you, roughly ten times as many?

By your own words you are sunk. You know them. I don't dignify them by repeating them unless it is absolutely necessary.

 

[JLM]

Those are superficial similarities, JLM. When it comes to system of government (Parliamentary as opposed to Presidential), religious, social, political beliefs (Canadians are much more liberal than Americans), or respect for authority (Canadians in general are much more respectful of authority than Americans), the differences are profound.

On this we'll have to agree to disagree, I'd say on average Americans are much more liberal, at least the ones in Washington, Oregon and Idaho. I certainly haven't noticed any less respect for authority. I think you may have been watching too much T.V.

 

[lone wolf]

"Childish response is it? How about 940 posts of childish griping and rants about how the world doesn't bow to you? It's a safe guess if you were the revered master of all, you'd still gripe about that....

Manners? What in Hell do you know about them?"

Well, then, how about 9405 posts, by you, roughly ten times as many?

By your own words you are sunk. You know them. I don't dignify them by repeating them unless it is absolutely necessary.

Per capita, per gripe, the good ship Yukon is sunk. By all means, repeat all 9406 of my posts. Quit whining. You embarrass yourself.

 

[Polygong]

On this we'll have to agree to disagree, I'd say on average Americans are much more liberal, at least the ones in Washington, Oregon and Idaho. I certainly haven't noticed any less respect for authority. I think you may have been watching too much T.V.

Those states are among the more liberal states in the US. Comparing the two countries overall is a different story.

Take an issue like abortion as an example. There are anti-abortion politicians in Canada, but they avoid having the issue on the broader agenda as they know that position is political poison in most of the country. In the US, anti-abortion politicians speak freely and openly about their position.

Or take health care. Privatisation of HC services in Canada is something politicians avoid, to speak very lightly about. In the US, it's the reverse where publicising health care is a thorny issue.

Then there is gay marriage. For all but a few, the issue is considered closed, it's here and it's staying. Some parts of the US have adopted it, but there's still an immense amount of struggle bringing it in. Look at California, one of America's more liberal states, they just had a referendum rejecting it.

 

[JLM]

Those states are among the more liberal states in the US. Comparing the two countries overall is a different story.

Take an issue like abortion as an example. There are anti-abortion politicians in Canada, but they avoid having the issue on the broader agenda as they know that position is political poison in most of the country. In the US, anti-abortion politicians speak freely and openly about their position.

Or take health care. Privatisation of HC services in Canada is something politicians avoid, to speak very lightly about. In the US, it's the reverse where publicising health care is a thorny issue.

Then there is gay marriage. For all but a few, the issue is considered closed, it's here and it's staying. Some parts of the US have adopted it, but there's still an immense amount of struggle bringing it in. Look at California, one of America's more liberal states, they just had a referendum rejecting it.

When comparing two countries Polygong, there are many better issues to choose to compare than abortion- abortion directly affects what? 2% of the popuiation in any given year? I could easily say the U.S. is more LIberal because they pay less taxes than we do.

 

[Polygong]

Well, that's a funny thing about the word Liberal, it actually has two different meanings. Some view the word Liberal with left connotations, others view it with (fiscally) right connotations, though the former is more common in the Anglosphere whereas the latter is more common on continental Europe.

In any regard, I'll say this: Canada is generally more left leaning than the US and is less conservative minded in terms of social issues.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Re #169.

Shouting insults, not giving space and time for an opposing view, interrupting a speaker, thumping desks, attempting to outnoise an opinion is DISRESPECT and is only used by those whose mothers never taught them manners, Parliament or no Parliament.

Watching the jerks of all parties on Question Period makes me ashamed to be a Canadian.

Yukon, you belong to the far right, so of course you are ashamed of being a Canadian. I have remarked on this peculiarity of the far right in Canada before (in the other forum).

Normally, far right in any country is fiercely patriotic, even jingoistic. Look at USA. The far right in USA thinks that USA is the greatest country in the world, everything about USA is right everything about other counties is wrong. Thus they think that their health care system is the best in the world, even though there are 47 million Americans uninsured and USA is near the bottom of developed countries in terms of life expectancy (low) and infant mortality (high).

So, far right in USA has one motto, anything American good, anything non American bad. Now, one would think that far right in Canada would feel the same way about Canada, but it doesn’t. The motto of far right in Canada is everything American good, everything Canadian bad. Thus, they want Canada to adopt the US health system, they want referendums on contentious issues such as gay marriage, abortion (like they do in USA), they want unlimited availability of guns, with no restrictions (like they do in USA) and so on.

I don’t know why that is, why the far right in Canada slavishly worships anything American, but there it is. So of course you are ashamed to be a Canadian, Yukon, no surprise there.

 

[YukonJack]

SirJosephPorter your entire post #188 is high grade crap, and you know it. For an extreme left wing loon like yourself, anything on the right of Fidel Castro is a right wing extremist.

Of the 47 million who have no health insurance in the States, roughly 40 million are young, who think that they are invincible and will live forever. So, they choose not to pay for insurance they are sure they would never need. The rest of the uninsured are the poor, admittedly in need of something better.

Like waiting for an MRI for six months as Canadians do. Like waiting to see a specialist for six months, like Canadians do. Like waiting six months for a simple, 20 minute artroscopic surgery like Canadians do. Like dying on a gurney in a hospital hallway like many Canadians do.

It seems to burn your ass that Americans are patriotic and loving of their country without being derogative or condescending about other countries, like Canadians do every time they compare themselves to Americans.

I have no idea why extreme left wingers despise everything American. Maybe, as a perfect representative of that group, you would give your expert opinion?!?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Of the 47 million who have no health insurance in the States, roughly 40 million are young, who think that they are invincible and will live forever. So, they choose not to pay for insurance they are sure they would never need. The rest of the uninsured are the poor, admittedly in need of something better.

So what is your point, Yukon? Just because they are young, they should not be counted as having no insurance? If they become critically ill, have an accident, get cancer at a young age, whatever, who is going to pay for that? It is the government. So the young may think that they are invincible (they usually do), but 40 million young people not having an insurance (that number is highly inflated anyway) is as much of a problem as those who cannot afford an insurance.

If the young who need critical care are forced to pay for it from their own pocket, they wouldn’t constitute a problem. But since critical, emergency care must be supplies by hospital free of cost, the young are as much of a problem as the poor. 47 million uninsured is a big problem with US health care. It remains to be seen if they have the will to fix it.

No doubt you would like to see American style health care here in Canada (US uses it so it must be good). That would mean 4, 7 million uninsured here in Canada, with no medical care of any kind (except emergency one). Well, I am glad that the far right has very little following in Canada (unlike the USA). We don’t want a paradise (USA) here in Canada, I am proud that Canada is Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[JLM]

Of the 47 million who have no health insurance in the States, roughly 40 million are young, who think that they are invincible and will live forever. So, they choose not to pay for insurance they are sure they would never need. The rest of the uninsured are the poor, admittedly in need of something better.

So what is your point, Yukon? Just because they are young, they should not be counted as having no insurance? If they become critically ill, have an accident, get cancer at a young age, whatever, who is going to pay for that? It is the government. So the young may think that they are invincible (they usually do), but 40 million young people not having an insurance (that number is highly inflated anyway) is as much of a problem as those who cannot afford an insurance.

If the young who need critical care are forced to pay for it from their own pocket, they wouldn’t constitute a problem. But since critical, emergency care must be supplies by hospital free of cost, the young are as much of a problem as the poor. 47 million uninsured is a big problem with US health care. It remains to be seen if they have the will to fix it.

No doubt you would like to see American style health care here in Canada (US uses it so it must be good). That would mean 4, 7 million uninsured here in Canada, with no medical care of any kind (except emergency one). Well, I am glad that the far right has very little following in Canada (unlike the USA). We don’t want a paradise (USA) here in Canada, I am proud that Canada is Sodom and Gomorrah.

I'm not so sure about that S.J. I think if you show up at a hospital in the U.S. without funds or health insurance- they will just refuse to treat you. So I don't think there's a problem for any but the victim if he's not covered.

 

[EagleSmack]

I'm not so sure about that S.J. I think if you show up at a hospital in the U.S. without funds or health insurance- they will just refuse to treat you. So I don't think there's a problem for any but the victim if he's not covered.

Are you saying that if you show up at a hospital without any insurance they will refuse treatment?

They will treat you but they will bill you.

 

[Cannuck]

In the US, isn't it against the law to refuse medical treatment to someone in need?

 

[EagleSmack]

In the US, isn't it against the law to refuse medical treatment to someone in need?

Yes.

But they will surely bill you in full.

 

[missile]

The only difference between us and the US is they are better and more heavily armed.

 

[johnnyhangover]

"Like waiting for an MRI for six months as Canadians do. Like waiting to see a specialist for six months, like Canadians do. Like waiting six months for a simple, 20 minute artroscopic surgery like Canadians do. Like dying on a gurney in a hospital hallway like many Canadians do." --YukonJack


Agreed. The problem with free health care is people use it like it's unlimited, and clog up the system. I'm in favour of user fees, and if you're too poor, you don't have to pay 'em. If you're chronically sick, you don't have to pay 'em. If you go to the doctor, and the doctor says, "just a cold, get some rest," you pay triple.

 

[JLM]

Are you saying that if you show up at a hospital without any insurance they will refuse treatment?

They will treat you but they will bill you.

I would hope that's what would happen, but I'm sure most people in the business would treat you as they would anyone else but I wouldn't want to run the risk. Subtle things can happen by uncaring people, like the immediate attention you need might take a few minutes and then "sorry we did our best but he didn't make it".

 

[Cannuck]

I'm in favour of user fees, and if you're too poor, you don't have to pay 'em. If you're chronically sick, you don't have to pay 'em. If you go to the doctor, and the doctor says, "just a cold, get some rest," you pay triple.

Why don't we charge user fees and if somebody says they can't afford them, it gets referred to social services for payment. Let the money come out of that fund.

 

[JLM]

"Like waiting for an MRI for six months as Canadians do. Like waiting to see a specialist for six months, like Canadians do. Like waiting six months for a simple, 20 minute artroscopic surgery like Canadians do. Like dying on a gurney in a hospital hallway like many Canadians do." --YukonJack


Agreed. The problem with free health care is people use it like it's unlimited, and clog up the system. I'm in favour of user fees, and if you're too poor, you don't have to pay 'em. If you're chronically sick, you don't have to pay 'em. If you go to the doctor, and the doctor says, "just a cold, get some rest," you pay triple.

You got it right Johnny.

 

[lone wolf]

I'd be just happy to have a darned doctor. If it's not top on my mind, I never think of telling the clinic doc about it ... and he/she sure doesn't know. I already paid the price a couple of times.