More likely, those writing the story of Yeshua simply filled in the details of his birth and life based on OT prophesies. In other words, invention, made to fit (Midrash)
What would YOU want to hear at church?
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Nonsense. The surviving historical documents from the time of Jesus support his fulfillment of these prophecies, and the many eyewitnesses of them.
If the scriptures were man-made, so many of the difficult and unsavory parts would not be there. For example, in the scripture quoted above from Isaiah, why would anybody want to record their man-made Savior "as one from whom men hide their faces." As another example, you've got Peter not editing out parts that show him to be foolish. ("Get behind me Satan!") You've got scripture about this terrifying God who is wildly beyond our understanding. Man-made gods always fit in a box so we can be in control of them. You've got the churches at Corinth and Galatia submitting their letters that contained scathing reports about them.
What man-made fictional hero is killed as a criminal (of his own decision!), without even establishing a throne, building a nation, conquering a land? This Jesus Christ is an outrage to men -- cannot be a creation of men.
At least as significant, you've got the ongoing fulfillment of these prophecies. The Spirit working in the hearts of sinners, freeing them from the slavery of their former lifestyles. The nations ganging up on Israel, which is the only nation in history to establish itself twice on the same soil. That had to happen in 1948 for the rest of Ezekiel to come true.
Every day I live, I see that contemporary reality, both in this world and in my personal life, continue to prove that the Bible is true.
Spade is probably correct and you have no understanding of how belief manifests in a person's life. You see prophesy fulfilled because you make events fit your belief. You start with reading into the word your preconceived ideas and beliefs, then twist events to justify you righteousness.
I will give you this: you are no ordinary rabbit - you are not your run of the mill fundamentalist, you are either a minister or are building yourself up to be one in the future. I'm also sure you will be successful because there are always plenty of sheeple anxious to be fleeced.
If there is not a God ..We will create one ..Then we will all know for sure..There is 
Hmmm?...What would I want to hear at church ???....
Oh ...I know...
AND NOW ...WHAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR ...LET'S PUT YOUR HANDS TOGETHER FOR ...THE ALPHA...THE OMEGA....THE ONE...THEE ONLY...YOUR HEAVENLY HIGHNESS >>>>> GOOOOOOOOOOOOD GOD! <<<<<<<< ..with special Guest >>>>>>>>>J.C.!<<<<<<<<<<<.
That would be cool ...!
I For 1 ; believe....
( It's Better/Safer that way; in the end..)
All Bless
God Bless..
Peace..
Hmmm?...What would I want to hear at church ???....
Oh ...I know...
AND NOW ...WHAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR ...LET'S PUT YOUR HANDS TOGETHER FOR ...THE ALPHA...THE OMEGA....THE ONE...THEE ONLY...YOUR HEAVENLY HIGHNESS >>>>> GOOOOOOOOOOOOD GOD! <<<<<<<< ..with special Guest >>>>>>>>>J.C.!<<<<<<<<<<<.
That would be cool ...!
I For 1 ; believe....
( It's Better/Safer that way; in the end..
)All Bless
God Bless..
Peace..
He is one brainwashed muffin! His suspension of disbelief is extraordinary. His dismissal of science tosses away his education. .And his apologetics for the "bad bits" simply ignores that it is impossible to step into the time, the language, and the cultural ethos of the writers who were not historians; they were creative writers who shaved facts to fit, and use legend as shims.
Morality, muffin, is not absolute; it is a function of time, locale, and culture.
Cliffy, have you seen the movie Pi? Adopted is searching for the 216 digit name of the Unkowable. He is wasting his effort when what he sees are mirages.
Morality, muffin, is not absolute; it is a function of time, locale, and culture.
Cliffy, have you seen the movie Pi? Adopted is searching for the 216 digit name of the Unkowable. He is wasting his effort when what he sees are mirages.
iITt. is 1; iITt. is all !( along with a lot of math No.1/No1 really understands )
We are of iITt..As iITt is all of us...
You call iITt. What you will
I will call iITt.
GOD!
( Is a Good Power Name )
( And you know ..As long as whatever iITt./All/#1 is ..Doesn't mind me callin' iITt. GOD.!.)
)We are of iITt..As iITt is all of us...
You call iITt. What you will
I will call iITt.
GOD!
( Is a Good Power Name )
( And you know ..As long as whatever iITt./All/#1 is ..Doesn't mind me callin' iITt. GOD.!.
)
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The "yadda, yadda, yadda" that you added to the quote was where you IGNORED the fact that the NT writers included embarrassing details about themselves. Authors have a tendency to leave anything out that makes them look bad. Let's put it this way: If you and your friends were concocting a story that you wanted to pass off as truth, would you make yourselves to look dim-witted, uncaring, rebuked, doubting cowards? Of course not. But that's exactly what we find in the NT:
They are dim-witted - numerous times they fail to understand what Jesus is saying (Mark 9:32, Luke 18:34, John 12:16).
They are uncaring - they fall asleep on Jesus twice when he asks them to pray (Mark 14:32-41). The New Testament writers later believe Jesus is the God-man, yet they admit they twice fell asleep on him in his hour of greatest need! Moreover, they make no effort to give their friend a proper burial, but record that Jesus was buried by Joseph of Arimathea, a member of the Jewish Sanhedrin - the very court that had sentenced Jesus to die.
They are rebuked - Peter is called "Satan" by Jesus (Mark 8:33), and Paul rebukes Peter for being wrong about a theological issue. Paul writes, "When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong" (Galatians 2:11). Now keep in mind that Peter is one of the pillars of the early church, and here's Paul including in Scripture that he was wrong!
They are cowards - all the disciples but one hide when Jesus goes to the cross. Peter even denies him three times after explicitly promising, "I will never disown you" (Matthew 26:33-35). Meanwhile, as the men are hiding for fear of the Jews, the brave women stand by Jesus and are the first to discover the empty tomb.
They are doubters - despite being taught several times that Jesus would rise from the dead (John 2:18-22, 3:14-18, Matthew 12:39-41, 17:9, 22-23), the disciples are doubtful when they hear of his resurrection. Some are even doubtful after they see him risen (Matthew 28:17)!
More solid reasons why we knew the NT authors were telling the truth:
They even included embarrassing details about Jesus. For example, he's not believed by his own brothers (John 7:5), is thought to be a deceiver (John 7:12), is deserted by many of his followers (John 6:66) turns off "Jews who had believed in him" (John 8:30-31) to point that they want to stone him, is called "demon possessed" (Mark 3:22, John 7:20, 8:48 ) is called a madman (John 10:20).
The NT writers left in difficult and demanding sayings of Jesus.
The NT writers carefully distinguished Jesus words from their own.
The NT writers include more than thirty historically confirmed people in their writings.
The NT writers CHALLENGE their readers to check out the VERIFIABLE facts.
The NT writers ABANDONED their long-held sacred beliefs and practices, adopted new ones, and did not deny their testimony under PERSECUTION AND DEATH.
Your absolutely right. The bible continues to prove itself time and time again, through studying the bible itself and investigating its credibility from other sources, the evidence is over-whelming.
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Shortly after their leader had been put to death, instead of going quietly into hiding to save their own lives, people started openly and boldly preaching Christianity -- they knew this could get them killed, and for many it did. People don't just do that. They had witnessed the risen Christ, and they knew there was more to history than their selfish little stories.
David Koresh's people still claim he's Christ come again, too.
You saying he's Christ? Or that their religion is the True Religion? It's the same thing, you know.
They aren't being put to death for saying that.
The followers of Christ were all scared -- all abandoned him, none stood by him as he was on trial and killed. But after the resurrection, they became bold.
Even Paul himself suffered when originally he was one of those doing the persecuting! He encouraged and even "guarded the clothes" of the participators of the stoning of Stephen. As a personal of religious authority and devotion to his long held beliefs, Paul had it pretty comfortable; but, after his personal revelation of the Lord and his conversion, he suffered many hardships for his testimony. He was criticized by his friends, hated by the authorities, stoned and nearly killed, shipwrecked, arrested, and through it all including suffering in jail, HE REJOICED!!!
"To live is Christ, to die is gain." - (Philippians 1:21)
No, because killing people is a sin, and against the law. Are you advocating that we should kill people now to prove whether a prophet exists or not.
These people lost families both in and out of that compound and any adults that still hold to his faith hide and hold their services elsewhere, ostracized because of the association. Those that realized Koresh was a nutjob went other ways. Point is, different times, different responses but in the end it's the same. He claimed he was Christ, had prophecies, was killed by non-believers and his people still hold faith he was Christ.
Only in today's world, they're seen as cultists and will likely never reach the level Christianity did. We hope anyway.
Why do religion junkies complicate a thing as simple as living life in the way God intended - in peace. My dog has a better idea: If you can't eat it or screw it, piss on it....
By whom? It could be shown that they were all false prophets except that believers would never accept proof of any kind. That is just the nature of of the beast and fundamentalists, as you have shown, can twist anything to fit their beliefs and vise versa.
It's just the opposite, in the days the NT was being written everybody could show proof.
M'r:16:17:
And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
M'r:16:18:
They shall take up serpents;
and if they drink any deadly thing,
it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick,
and they shall recover.
M'r:16:19:
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them,
he was received up into heaven,
and sat on the right hand of God.
M'r:16:20:
And they went forth,
and preached every where,
the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word with signs following.
Amen.
The bible is so contradictory and such a hodge podge of stuff that you can prove anything you want as long as you ignore that stuff that doesn't agree with your predetermined subject you want to prove.
In the 80s, a group of CBC employees one day decided over beer that they would make up the days horoscope instead of the one that was usually written by an astrologist as an experiment. Every day over morning coffee they just made up stuff and replaced the other text. After two months they posted a survey to see what people thought their accuracy ratings were. They were astounded that their random nonsense was rated up 50% more accurate than the one done by the astrologist.
What people believe is completely useless information.