What would YOU want to hear at church?
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I believe the minimum requirement is one whole graveyard.
She sounds delightful, why are you so anxious to cheat on her?
I can't, are you demanding God end this time of 'faith' and show proof positive. That is like asking hell to manifest itself, are you sure that is what you really want. How about if He doesn't completely close the door on salvation until He shows you the same sort of proof that He was willing to show Thomas, would you settle for that being promoted by a verse or so?
Joh:6:40:
And this is the will of him that sent me,
that every one which seeth the Son,
and believeth on him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
God sent Jonah to the grave, Lazarus was stinking when he was resurrected, Jesus wad dead for 3 days so why not use that as the standard. For others, like the 'sleeping girl' that could have been less. What kind of God would Dex be if he stopped at 1 when 10B need that same 'kind of help'. God's time for that to happen is not late in arriving, we are early in asking for proof.
There isn't supposed to be any 'hard proof' available, so non-belief is to be expected I would think which is different from the title 'false Christian'.
Perhaps it is a vain attempt to get out of the fate the Bible predicts. If the God of the Bible is an illusion because there is no 'proof' then what proof is there that any of the 'other God' existed.
Could those 'versions' be a 'variation' of the words that Jeremiah would have delivered in his world-wide tour and call to battle.
Jer:25:7:
Yet ye have not hearkened unto me,
saith the LORD;
that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.
Jer:25:8:
Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts;
Because ye have not heard my words,
Jer:25:9:
Behold,
I will send and take all the families of the north,
saith the LORD,
and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon,
my servant,
and will bring them against this land,
and against the inhabitants thereof,
and against all these nations round about,
and will utterly destroy them,
and make them an astonishment,
and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.
Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
Jer:25:27:
Therefore thou shalt say unto them,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
the God of Israel;
Drink ye,
and be drunken,
and spue,
and fall,
and rise no more,
because of the sword which I will send among you.
Jer:25:28:
And it shall be,
if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink,
then shalt thou say unto them,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts;
Ye shall certainly drink.
Wouldn't that leave a worldwide 'memory' that would be basically be the same, a God is going to deliver justice against man at some point in the future.
But you have no faith in your reasoned conclusion.That's interesting.
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Two things: 1) the truth cannot be held in a book because there is too much left to interpretation as we have seen with the bible, 2) belief is not faith. Belief is a desperate clinging to an idea about truth, faith is trusting that if one seeks the truth you will receive it as promised.
The truth can only be found inside you where the divine spark resides. "The kingdom of god is within" not in any writings of man, divinely inspired or not. The truth can only be found in your experiences of life. Each and every person must come to their own understanding of the truth. Those who think they have found the truth in the works of man are at best farting in the wind. There is no truth in scripture, only fingers pointing the way. If you do not go in the direction it is pointing you are wasting your life, time and energy.
It is of no consequence to us, individually, how other people get there or where they end up. Judging them is a bi-product of belief, knowing is a bi-product of faith and bible thumpers have no faith because they haven't even begun the journey. They are too busy sucking on the finger pointing the way in a false belief that it will spiritually nourish them, instead of going on their journey. In other words they are stuck in an infantile state of development.
Not too many people can make the distinction between belief and faith. If Dexter and others would realize the distinction I think they would acknowledge their faith in their convictions. It matters not whether someone believes in a deity. It matters only if they sought the truth. The debate over the existence of god is not only futile, it is silly because it doesn't matter what someone else believes, only that you begin the journey with an open mind. For that, no deity is necessary, only faith.
Reading Cliff's post, I was reminded of the following observation:
"The Sermon on the Mount, or the Creeds. It is impossible to believe them both." From "The Kingdom of God is Within You" - Lev Tolstoy
In other words you can follow principles Jesus taught to improve man's lot in this world, or believe the mythology, but not both. They are mutually exclusive. This thread, for me, really drives this point home.
"The Sermon on the Mount, or the Creeds. It is impossible to believe them both." From "The Kingdom of God is Within You" - Lev Tolstoy
In other words you can follow principles Jesus taught to improve man's lot in this world, or believe the mythology, but not both. They are mutually exclusive. This thread, for me, really drives this point home.
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So then belief in them would be just as insane would it not. Genesis 6 and Jude reference fallen angels as being the ones who would make up the identies of all other gods. Literal being that got 'vanished' with/without their permission so their return is even more unlikely than the 'return' of the one that vanished them from being an everyday physical reality like it was when Ge:6 was unfolding.
Don't Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Like 21 have to do with prophecies about the time of the Apostles and the time revelation covers, His return?
Precisely! He/she likes farting in the wind. Gets a perverse pleasure out of it.
That depends on what subject is being explored. If it takes a bit of fhipping the pages to get all the relevent passages then that isn't a real task in the age of e-bibles. The only task is have enough energy to type and read. If that is too much find a hobby where it isn't too much to ask.
I can use the 1/4 mentioned as part of the 4th seal relating to an event written later in the same book that covers the globe. Is it a 'stretch' to see the land area as being the one referenced, that would show devine knowledge considering the text was written before 100AD. You would say it isn't proof. If I was to say the prophecies are not understood even today so it is likely they were not fully understood in the ancient past either.
The power to search for knowledge about God is within us , that starts with reading and prayer as far as I can tell. At least as much as the Bible gives.
Very few people get to define their own path that is not influenced by the path of others.
So why put the blame on the Bible for you not being a believer? Thomas was saved even though he demanded proof, there are no verses that say you won't be given the same opportunity. Why do you find that to be objectionable?
My cash outflow is the same for both. How come the 'debunking' always leave an issue or more as being 'unresolved'?
Perhaps the 'huh' would not be there if you were privy to what Jude and Genesis were talking about, the only thing holding you back is yourself. Is that some sort of ritual the anti-sheep flock perform in a self-defensive type of move?
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