What is in the future for the NDP?

captain morgan

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The election was serious? For NDP in Quebec? You gotta be one of them....

I'm not a big fan of the dippers, however, in this case the electorate that voted this individual in is entirely at fault. As for her prepaid trip, she clearly made the decision that the few hundred dollars that she spent on her low-rent Vegas vacation was far more important than her having the chance to run for office.

In the end, neither this woman, nor the Dippers ever dreamed that she would be elected. Smilin' Jack just wanted to have anyone in place so they could collect the vote subsidy.
 

mentalfloss

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Of course. I'm sure in many ridings where conservatives or liberals never dreamed of winning they put a puppet in place there as well.

That's normal, and expected. Especially considering the fact that your party gets less funding when you originally have less seats. Now that liberals are becoming reduced to 'an ideology', they will be having the same problem.

All of this is perfectly excusable in parliament.

The problem is that if we get rid of public subsidies, the political parties basically turn into corporations.
 
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Durry

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In the end, neither this woman, nor the Dippers ever dreamed that she would be elected. Smilin' Jack just wanted to have anyone in place so they could collect the vote subsidy.
It's petty obvious Jack was scraping the bottom of the barrel to get candidates, you gotta wonder how many other real losers he managed to collect in his net.
 

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I'm not a big fan of the dippers, however, in this case the electorate that voted this individual in is entirely at fault. As for her prepaid trip, she clearly made the decision that the few hundred dollars that she spent on her low-rent Vegas vacation was far more important than her having the chance to run for office.

In the end, neither this woman, nor the Dippers ever dreamed that she would be elected. Smilin' Jack just wanted to have anyone in place so they could collect the vote subsidy.

I wouldn't blame the party leader. Whoever wants to run can run in a democracy. The populace was silly enough to vote party, blind to the candidate they were voting for. Honestly, she herself is not to blame. She has a right to run. The blame rests entirely with the local voters. 100%.
 

lone wolf

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It's petty obvious Jack was scraping the bottom of the barrel to get candidates, you gotta wonder how many other real losers he managed to collect in his net.
How'd he miss you?

I'm not a big fan of the dippers, however, in this case the electorate that voted this individual in is entirely at fault. As for her prepaid trip, she clearly made the decision that the few hundred dollars that she spent on her low-rent Vegas vacation was far more important than her having the chance to run for office.

In the end, neither this woman, nor the Dippers ever dreamed that she would be elected. Smilin' Jack just wanted to have anyone in place so they could collect the vote subsidy.
So what would you find to bitch about if she hadn't gone to Vegas - or planned an accident or family emergency?
 

captain morgan

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The problem is that if we get rid of public subsidies, the political parties basically turn into corporations.

Kudos.

I will say this, the difference between a political corporation (if you'll allow me to invent a term) and a business entity is that there are no restrictions in who can engage the political corporation. With this in mind, one can achieve (relatively) immediate change in the poli-corp via the voting mechanism.
 

mentalfloss

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Here's the thing though.

Private funding is skewed toward the fanbase of that political party.

Public funding is spread equally amongst all canadian taxpayers.

What this means, is that you can have a rabid fanbase of people who can continue to exclusively fund your party before an election, and that unfairly influences the vote. As we have seen, corporate and personal donors were subsidizing the conservative attack ads.

If we abolish private donations and keep things publicly funded, then we can keep advertising costs the same across all platforms, and the party that gets most votes, gets rewarded accordingly afterward for their good performance.
 

captain morgan

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Fair enough, but in my mind, you are making the case that it is up to the individual voters to educate themselves and make their decision.

Clearly, marketing/advertising have a strong influence, however, that all gets erased the very moment that the electorate seeks the answers for themselves.

In terms of the source of the money, I think that this represents a symptom as opposed to the problem and as we all know, treating the symptoms do not always cure the disease.
 

coldstream

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I see Chretien (likely the WORST PM Canada has ever had, but Brian Mulroney and now Stephen Harper would give him a good run for the title) is promoting a union of the Liberals and NDP.

That would be, imho, as obtuse and indigestable a concoction as that of the Reform Party and the Progressive Conservatives.

The Liberals are traditionally internationalist and libertarian in their political philosophy. The NDP nationalist and dirigiste. A much more compatable union would be with the NDP and old Progressive Conservatives... and the old Reform Party with the Liberals.

These contrived and forced marriages, aimed soley at gaining power, without any type of internal integrity will create seething tensions within the parties. Hence i think Harper's caucus will break apart within three years, preceded by increasingly rancorous divisions and conflicts within the Conservatives.

Harper does not know how to moderate and compromise. Within a short period of time his dictorial, ideological temperament will create unrepairable rifts within his caucus.
 

Colpy

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Here's the thing though.

Private funding is skewed toward the fanbase of that political party.

Public funding is spread equally amongst all canadian taxpayers.

What this means, is that you can have a rabid fanbase of people who can continue to exclusively fund your party before an election, and that unfairly influences the vote. As we have seen, corporate and personal donors were subsidizing the conservative attack ads.

If we abolish private donations and keep things publicly funded, then we can keep advertising costs the same across all platforms, and the party that gets most votes, gets rewarded accordingly afterward for their good performance.

For the forty-seventh time AT LEAST:

CORPORATE DONATIONS TO POLITICAL PARTIES WERE MADE ILLEGAL BY HARPER IN DECEMBER OF 2006.

The maximum private donation allowed is $1100 per annum.

Why should I fund parties that I do not like?

If you have a political axe to grind, get involved, join a party, DONATE!!!
 

petros

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If you have a political axe to grind, get involved, join a party, DONATE!!!
Nooooooooooo. You get off you ass and push your MP regardless the stripe into doing what you and the people of your constituency and country demand of them.

Handing over cash to any party is simply foolish and not much more than bribery.
 

oldrebel

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I think Mr. layton has a tough job ahead of him in trying to represent Quebec and hold on to the rest of Canada too. Quebec and the rest of Canada just don't mesh!
But I think he and Mr. Harper will be able to run a much more efficient and smoother government than we have seen for many years. That is my ;hope anyway.
I wish the NDPers well. They might be a 'flash in the pan', or they might do some serious good works. It remains to be seen, but I can't see them merging with the Liberals.
 

JLM

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Nooooooooooo. You get off you ass and push your MP regardless the stripe into doing what you and the people of your constituency and country demand of them.

Handing over cash to any party is simply foolish and not much more than bribery.

The most useless money I ever spent was what I donated to a political party over several years. I don't believe anyone should do it. Most of it likely goes toward $25 breakfasts while at conventions.
 

petros

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The most useless money I ever spent was what I donated to a political party over several years. I don't believe anyone should do it. Most of it likely goes toward $25 breakfasts while at conventions.
Or mailing English pamphlets to Asian neighbourhoods.
 

petros

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Nothing at all but if we are going to be globalists we're going to have to bend beyond our official languages. What is the official language of the planet?