What does the new NDP leader have against the Canadian Flag???

earth_as_one

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The opening story is deliberately misleading. We still have no why the NDP voted against this bill. I found the bill:
BILL C-288
An Act respecting the National Flag of Canada
Whereas the Canadian flag is the symbol of the nation’s unity;
Whereas the Canadian flag represents the principles of freedom, democracy, courage, and justice upon which our great nation is based;
Whereas the Canadian flag represents all the citizens of Canada;
Whereas the Canadian flag represents pride in our great nation and support for those who have sacrificed their lives for it;
And whereas it is in the national and public interest to encourage the displaying of the National Flag;
Now, therefore, Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows:
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Short title
1. This Act may be cited as the National Flag of Canada Act.
DISPLAYING THE NATIONAL FLAG
Displaying flag
2. (1) All Canadians are encouraged to proudly display the National Flag of Canada in accordance with flag protocol.
Allowing display
(2) Every person who is in control of an apartment building, a condominium building or building in divided co-ownership or another multiple-residence building or a gated community is encouraged to allow the National Flag of Canada to be displayed in accordance with flag protocol.

I can think of several reasons. Time and cost to debate and implement this law. Its navel gazing.

Can anyone explain why the NDP voted against this Bill?..
 
Locutus

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Comes off as more of an anti-law.

Keeping the busybody's in-check that make it their duty to discourage and disapprove of flags being flown.

That sort of outrageous flagish patriotism can be seen by some wankers as too right wing. The busy folk become the nannies.
 
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Cannuck said:
I don't give negs for every post though I'm not surprised you haven't figured that out yet.
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Oh I figured it out. You stalk me around the board (Which of course all started after you were PWND {Read butthurt} repeatedly), finding posts that resemble yours and neg rep them. Because they upset you.

Your self loathing is likely caused by your hatred of hypocrisy.

DaSleeper said:
...the next is admitting you're stupid....although some people seem to think you've aleady done that....
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Nope, don't think it, I know it, have the quote to back it up too.

gerryh said:
The only ones making this a "divisive" issue are the morons that are adding on things that aren't in the legislation.
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I disagree. There are several divisive folk, using a bitter tone to equate flying a flag patriotically, to stupidity and being American. As if simply being American is a bad thing.
 
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lone wolf

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I'm not so sure it's something against a flag as much as it's something against wasting taxpayer money prosecuting people with chips on their shoulders. Better to clog civil courts than criminal ones.
 
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Surely the right wing has better things to do that engage in the flag debate, Canada talked about
that back in the sixties. I am not really surprised, as they intend on taking the country back all the
way to the nineteenth century. The nation has some serious problems that need to be faced and
the some insist they can get mileage out of nonsense like this. the fact of the matter is the Tories
are scared as hell. Early indications are people across the country like the new NDP leader.
In addition the early add condemning him of being an opportunist backfired.
Mulcair was a lone NDP in a hardcore Liberal Riding in Montreal and he won. that does not make
him an opportunist and people saw this as antics of a silly wing of the conservatives. These guys
should lay low for a while as they are about to wear the robo call label in the near future.
I think we should get on with the business of Canada.
 
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This simply illustrates the problem the NDP is going to have between pleasing Quebec and pleasing the RoC.

Not a big deal....they are, after all, the opposition doing their job....opposing. But one would think they could have found a higher hill to fight over.

All depends on who you are fighting for, i guess......
 
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damngrumpy said:
Surely the right wing has better things to do that engage in the flag debate, Canada talked about
that back in the sixties. I am not really surprised, as they intend on taking the country back all the
way to the nineteenth century. The nation has some serious problems that need to be faced and
the some insist they can get mileage out of nonsense like this. the fact of the matter is the Tories
are scared as hell. Early indications are people across the country like the new NDP leader.
In addition the early add condemning him of being an opportunist backfired.
Mulcair was a lone NDP in a hardcore Liberal Riding in Montreal and he won. that does not make
him an opportunist and people saw this as antics of a silly wing of the conservatives. These guys
should lay low for a while as they are about to wear the robo call label in the near future.
I think we should get on with the business of Canada.
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That NDP ideology is blinding.....:lol:
 
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Colpy said:
This simply illustrates the problem the NDP is going to have between pleasing Quebec and pleasing the RoC.

Not a big deal....they are, after all, the opposition doing their job....opposing. But one would think they could have found a higher hill to fight over.

All depends on who you are fighting for, i guess......
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That's okay.... Harpco's foot-in-mouth disease negates the necessity for high hills
 
earth_as_one

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I guess the bill started out with penalties. Then it went to committee where it was watered down to the point where it was a pointless waste of time and money

Jan 30, 2012
NDP MPs said they love the flag too but that the bill is misguided.
Kennedy Stewart, MP for Burnaby-Douglas, opposed the bill because of its potential cost. Prosecuting accused offenders and putting convicted ones in jail is not a wise use of taxpayer dollars, he said.

"We have to think about every penny and we have to think about spending every penny wisely," Stewart said, questioning the need for the bill and saying it was "irresponsible" for the Conservatives to proceed with it.

NDP MP Andrew Cash accused the government of using the flag bill as a wedge issue and said it's "not on the radar" of Canadians. There are far more meaningful initiatives that MPs could be pursuing with private member's bills, Cash said.

Canadian flag law proposal divides MPs - Canada - CBC News
 
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lone wolf said:
By calling the cops because they won't let you put up your flag.... How do you legislate patriotism? I think it's a red herring so nobody notices the other crap going on in Dizzyland
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What are the cops going to do? This new law doesn't make it illegal to prevent tenants from hanging flags.
 
lone wolf

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I know.... It reads like it makes it illegal to stop someone from flying the flag. Sorta stupid to take up Courts time with more petty bullshyte ... unless you want to legislate Big Brother into everything
 
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I honestly don't get why people needed to pass a bill encouraging Canadians to "wave the flag". It's just a flag. But I also don't really understand why someone would oppose such a bill. It's just a flag. What sacred principle is this bill violating?

I agree that apartment buildings filled with flags can sometimes look a bit too scrappy. If that was the reason he should have stated it. Refusing to explain why is just fodder for attack ads. This is about as stupid as not giving up his French citizenship (something I do think would be a respectful gesture, though in practice it might not make any difference).
 
Bar Sinister

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It's another Tory make-work project; this time by increasing the number of Crown Prosecutors, court officials, and eventually prison guards needed to make the law stick. And then, of course, there are the number of defence lawyers that will be needed. I very strongly suspect that if this bill ever becomes law the police might refuse to investigate and Crown Prosecutors would give it a very low priority in their list of cases to be tried.

What it really amounts to is a pathetic Tory attempt to distract the Canadian public from more serious issues facing the nation and the number of recent scandals plaguing the Cons.
 
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