We need to reform immigration
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So it's an invention that we have hundreds of thousands of immigrants living in poverty and that the cost of all these low income immigrants is $30 billion per year to government?
Catholic Mass on Sunday is as ethnically and racially diverse as shopping at Superstore on a Saturday.
Your lack of understanding regarding Islam is quite humerous. You and Cliffy should get together on a thread and discuss the differences and similarities of Islam and Christianity. Andem could sell tickets
Poverty in Canada is not a significant issue. Let's focus on real problems instead of childish fears.
So you're saying Muhammed didn't say that and that every school of Islamic jurisprudence does not believe the appropriate punishment for leaving Islam is death?
Poverty has always been a major issue. As is the budget deficit, at least to those of us who pay taxes. The more poor people we have, the fewer people are paying taxes and the higher the tax on those of us who are not poor.
This is pretty basic stuff. I'm surprised you don't understand it.
We're talking about Catholic law not mass. Can you tell me which version of Catholicism allows for divorce and remarriage, for example?
It's irrelevant what Muhammad said, didn't say, is believed to have said. There are many interpretations of the Quran and the Bible.
To suggest that all Muslims believe in the same things is like saying Catholics and JWs agree with Anders Breivik
Do you seriously believe that Calgary's mayor supports killing people that convert to Christianity? Seriously? I mean seriously?
No it hasn't. That's just a Dipper talking point.
Unfortunately, it appears he/she is serious. That's the major problem with people like this. They really don't know what the hell they are talking about and just repeat, ad nauseam, what they have been told or heard on the subject with no regard as to the truth.
Religious freedom in Islam. No punishment for apostasy.
Plenty of quotes from the Qur'an on religious freedom there.
ISLAM IS PRO MONOGAMY | Sheikh Muhammad Abduh
It would seem that the Quer'an prescribes monogamy too.
Again, even those Muslims who understand the Qur'an to prescribe monogamy might also discourage divorce and so tolerate polygamy, but that's more in the vein that two wrongs don't make a right. It's better to preserve a polygamous marriage than to break it.
It doesn't matter what the Quran says. What matters is how people choose to interpret it. That's why some Christians are fine with homosexuality and some find it an abomination.
It's simply laughable to lump all Muslins together in terms of what they believe. Actually, laughable doesn't even begin to describe it.
It's simply laughable to lump all Muslins together in terms of what they believe. Actually, laughable doesn't even begin to describe it.
There are multitudes of web sites from reputable sources all attempting to understand religion and their impact on democratic free societies, but to me, if anybody cares to get a real understanding, there's nothing like a straightforward face to face, shot to shot, full human interaction. With religious people, no matter how much the suits are the same, or that you drink the same shots of tequila, the opinion about women, and the wickedness of the west never waivers, which makes sense to the definition of religion and should be expected. There is no malice with this opinion, it simply is. I've sat and listen to why women, LGBQT, same sex marriage, corporal punishment, and many freedoms should to be kept under 'specific rules' and I can say without reservation that none of these 'specific rules' are good for these aforementioned groups. Sit with your religious friends or acquaintance and just ask! The good news is that most realize their limitation, and would never try to impose their wills, exception would be for ones' who can get into politics of course.
Christians do not read the Bible to decide if they are fine with homosexuality or not.
This stupid statement just goes to show how far out from reality you are, fool.
Try again.
There are very, very few interpretations of the bible from reputable Muslim scholars which differ significantly on social values.
Not all Muslims agree on the same things. I never said they do. I said that there are fairly universally recognized laws of Islam - recognized by Muslim scholars, and we see these laws come into play in Muslim states which base their legal code on the Koran. Which is why there is no Muslim state which treats women equally, no Muslim state which treats other religions with the same respect as Islam, and why you aren't going to see gay pride parades in Cairo or Kuala Lumpur, much less Tehran or Riyadh.
It's too bad there wasn't someone smart who could convince me. Know anyone smart?
You are linking to an Amhadi Islam page. The Ahmadis are considered heretics by mainstream Islam, a cult by others. They're based in India, and hunted like dogs anywhere else in the Muslim world they go.
But... you knew that, right? I mean, you're one of the world's foremost experts on Islam... right?
{quote]It would seem that the Quer'an prescribes monogamy too.[/quote]
Not sure where monogamy entered into this conversation. I don't give a damn about it.
Not sure where monogamy entered into this conversation. I don't give a damn about it.[/QUOTE]
Oh for crying out loud! I linked to that page because I didn't want to have to point out every little verse to you. They were conveniently collected on the page. The idea was that you could read the verses from the Qur'an and decide for yourself.
Some Shi'a believe the Qur'an enjoins monogamy and guarantees freedom of religion too.