We must never let Brussels turn Holocaust denial into a crime

lone wolf

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Hello lone wolf-
http://judicial-inc.biz/Toben_Iran_Holocaust.htm You got anything to refute --studies
Testimony from the millions of Jewish survivors?

What do your pictures prove? Seems to me the point is I don't believe you are any more in the know than anyone who has inflated history to National Grudge proportions. What is this story about Hydrogen Cyanide gas anyhow? Sure, it would be effective ... and didn't your people modify Zyklon B for just such exterminations?

Now ... you have told a tale about your mother crying about a ten-year-old Jewish girl who was beaten for stealing a potato peel. Obviously your mother knew something shameful was happening. Why didn't she do anything about it? She was NAZI. Wouldn't that sweet, kind herr Hitler hear her appeal?

I was born eleven years after the war. What COULD I have done? I really don't care if you don't want to learn of people who witnessed. I hope it haunts you through Hell. Your denial is just guilt anyhow....
 
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lone wolf

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From Wiki ... search zyklon B

Post-Holocaust legacy
After the war, two directors of Testa – Bruno Tesch and Karl Weinbacher – were tried by a British military court and were executed for their part in supplying the chemical.
The use of the word Zyklon (German for cyclone) continues to prompt angry reactions from Jewish groups. In 2002, both Bosch Siemens Hausgeräte and Umbro were forced to withdraw from attempts to use or trademark the term for their products.[10]
Holocaust deniers claim that Zyklon B gas was not used in the gas chambers, relying as evidence on the low levels of Prussian blue residue in samples of the gas chambers found by Fred A. Leuchter, which Leuchter dismissed as the results of general delousing of buildings. However, Leuchter's negative control, a sample of gasket material taken from a different building in the camp, registered as having no such cyanide residue.[11] The manager of the analytical laboratory hired by Leuchter states in an interview in Errol Morris' film Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr., that Leuchter's thick samples of brick would have greatly diluted the cyanide residue, which forms only an extremely fine layer on the walls and cannot penetrate.
In 1994, the Institute for Forensic Research in Kraków re-examined this claim on the grounds that formation of Prussian blue by exposure of bricks to cyanide is not a highly probable reaction (Amoklauf gegen die Wirklichkeit. Praca zbiorowa; B. Gallanda, J. Bailer, F. Freund, T. Geisler, W. Lasek, N. Neugebauer, G. Spenn, W. Wegner; Bundesministerium fuer Unterricht und Kultur Wien, 1991). Using more sophisticated microdiffusion techniques, they tested 22 samples from the gas chambers, delousing chambers (as positive controls), and living quarters (as negative controls), finding cyanide residue in both the delousing chambers and the ruins of the gas chambers but none in the ruins of the living quarters, thus refuting the Holocaust deniers' claims.[12]
 

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Hello lone wolf-
http://judicial-inc.biz/Toben_Iran_Holocaust.htm You got anything to refute --studies
Testimony from the millions of Jewish survivors?


Not that it will make the slightest difference....but here it is: survivors testimony.

http://www.hopesite.ca/sympo/video_toc.html

I suppose next you will say it proves nothing, it is a neferious plot by low IQ inbred Jews (funny how they manage to control the world though, isn't it?) (sarcasm alert) and did I have them hooked up to a polygraph?
 

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Was expecting more than a yep from a History Grad and researcher-
Here are Holocaust testimonies from 16 survivors.
http://judaism.about.com/library/2_holocaust/testimonies/bl_1nirgalim.htm
I must be missing something. Help me people. Where are these Gas killings?? Why are the sick sent to hospitals? Read them.
These are a few testimonial clips--Wolf -just for you --they were all Nazis-murdering scum
http://college.usc.edu/vhi/otv/otv.php

you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogmBWA9Y7Bk--saw -no hydrogen cyanide chambers yet--still looking
 

lone wolf

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Was expecting more than a yep from a History Grad and researcher-
Here are Holocaust testimonies from 16 survivors.
http://judaism.about.com/library/2_holocaust/testimonies/bl_1nirgalim.htm
I must be missing something. Help me people. Where are these Gas killings?? Why are the sick sent to hospitals? Read them.
These are a few testimonial clips--Wolf -just for you --they were all Nazis-murdering scum
http://college.usc.edu/vhi/otv/otv.php

you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogmBWA9Y7Bk--saw -no hydrogen cyanide chambers yet--still looking

Are you taunting? I know what propaganda looks like. It's much like a used car sale where they hide all the bad stuff. From you, with your haughty attitude, I would tend to believe anything you provide will be distortions and fabrication. Help you? Somehow I think that's well beyond any mortal man's capability.
 

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Was expecting more than a yep from a History Grad and researcher-
Here are Holocaust testimonies from 16 survivors.
http://judaism.about.com/library/2_holocaust/testimonies/bl_1nirgalim.htm
I must be missing something. Help me people. Where are these Gas killings?? Why are the sick sent to hospitals? Read them.
These are a few testimonial clips--Wolf -just for you --they were all Nazis-murdering scum
http://college.usc.edu/vhi/otv/otv.php

you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogmBWA9Y7Bk--saw -no hydrogen cyanide chambers yet--still looking

From your own site above:

http://judaism.about.com/library/2_holocaust/testimonies/bl_leitner.htm

What more do you want?

this was the second one I looked at.......

I'm sorry, but the Jews that witness the gas chambers from the inside? They aren't telling any stories.
 

Andem

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What do your pictures prove? Seems to me the point is I don't believe you are any more in the know than anyone who has inflated history to National Grudge proportions. What is this story about Hydrogen Cyanide gas anyhow? Sure, it would be effective ... and didn't your people modify Zyklon B for just such exterminations?

I was reading this thread and wondering why Hydrogen Cyanide was being mentioned instead of Zyklon B? While not totally incorrect as it's cyanide-based, modified Zyklon B is much more accurate.

Wolf: Please don't assume he's from Germany or German, as he is not located here. If he was, he could be facing serious legal issues and/or fines/imprisonment by defying the harsh laws here but he is not. The vast vast majority of Germans don't post online or talk about this subject.

Furthermore, I totally agree with the main article. Why should people be banned from voicing their own opinion or research? If anything, it only further alienates them from the main population.

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This is the one and only law of it's kind on this planet. Why are the Ukranians the Russians the Armenians the Bengalis the Iraquis the Indians the Chinese and all the many hundreds of millions of murdered indigenous people all not afforded the same consideration under law? Why has one group only been chosen for this exemption from inquirery on the basis of unsupportable grossly inflated myth. The tales of the six million Jews first appeared during the Great War 1914-1918.

DB, I really wholeheartedly agree with these statements. What peeves me about the holocaust is that it's used, up until this day, for political advance not just by Jews, but by anyone who can exploit the facts & myths of it. No other group in the history of modern society has been given the same rights, publicity and protection as this group.

Only now in 2008 have the gays murdered in the holocaust been given a memorial, but it's right across the street from the Jewish denkmal BEHIND TREES, INSIDE A WOODED AREA AND OUT OF SIGHT! We walked by it 3 times looking for it before we actually found it.

What about the other groups murdered by the Nazis or the ones who died liberating concentration camps?
What about the over 5,000,000 systematically starved by the Soviet Union in Ukraine?
... Any group deemed unfit for Soviet society?
What about the ongoing holocaust in many variations of ethnic and social groups in the territory of China?
What about genocide in Ruanda?
 

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I was reading this thread and wondering why Hydrogen Cyanide was being mentioned instead of Zyklon B? While not totally incorrect as it's cyanide-based, modified Zyklon B is much more accurate.

Wolf: Please don't assume he's from Germany or German, as he is not located here. If he was, he could be facing serious legal issues and/or fines/imprisonment by defying the harsh laws here but he is not. The vast vast majority of Germans don't post online or talk about this subject.

Furthermore, I totally agree with the main article. Why should people be banned from voicing their own opinion or research? If anything, it only further alienates them from the main population.



DB, I really wholeheartedly agree with these statements. What peeves me about the holocaust is that it's used, up until this day, for political advance not just by Jews, but by anyone who can exploit the facts & myths of it. No other group in the history of modern society has been given the same rights, publicity and protection as this group.

Only now in 2008 have the gays murdered in the holocaust been given a memorial, but it's right across the street from the Jewish denkmal BEHIND TREES, INSIDE A WOODED AREA AND OUT OF SIGHT! We walked by it 3 times looking for it before we actually found it.

What about the other groups murdered by the Nazis or the ones who died liberating concentration camps?
What about the over 5,000,000 systematically starved by the Soviet Union in Ukraine?
... Any group deemed unfit for Soviet society?
What about the ongoing holocaust in many variations of ethnic and social groups in the territory of China?
What about genocide in Ruanda?

I agree that trying to make certain thoughts or the promotion of certain ideas illegal is counter-productive. It merely adds weight to the ravings of lunatics.


Why is the holocaust more significant than any other genocide?

-It killed at least one third of the Jews in the world.

-The other 5 million were made up of a number of groups........gays, Gypsies, the infirm, the mentally defective, socialists, communists, Slavs, criminals, resistors.....and on and on. the jews were by far the largest group.

-It was the culmination, the climax of over a thousand years of Jew-hatred and Jew murder in Europe.

-It was industrialized.....the only genocide in which the full resources of the state were directed at the transport and scientific elimination of a group based on their religion.....

-Most importantly, the Holocaust is so very important for one reason: the Germans are us. White, Christian, educated, civilized, in 1932 living in a western democracy.....We can find some way to dismiss all other genocide; some way to feel morally superior....the Ukraine?: those damn commies at it again.....after all Stalin murdered about 20 million, what do you expect from a totaltarian communist dictatorship? Rwanda? Black folks you know.....uneducated.....wild....tribal hatreds......Cambodia? Commie Asians from a peasant population (I'm being polite here) Turkey's murder of the Armenians? Those damn muslims!

The German move to totally annihilate Judaism is not so easily dismissed from our collective western conscience.

That is why it is overwhelmingly important.
 
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-Most importantly, the Holocaust is so very important for one reason: the Germans are us. White, Christian, educated, civilized, in 1932 living in a western democracy.....We can find some way to dismiss all other genocide; some way to feel morally superior....the Ukraine?: those damn commies at it again.....after all Stalin murdered about 20 million, what do you expect from a totaltarian communist dictatorship? Rwanda? Black folks you know.....uneducated.....wild....tribal hatreds......Cambodia? Commie Asians from a peasant population (I'm being polite here) Turkey's murder of the Armenians? Those damn muslims!

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But Colpy, it's a very different circumstance. Germany was a collapsed and humiliated country before Hitler came to power and by the time Germany became prosperous again, the population was in such an ignorant bliss and misinformed that this situation made the holocaust possible.

Now, I'm sure you would agree with me that some talk of the world financial situation (such as money will just become ordinary paper overnight) is pure fear mongering, if some of these theories were to ever become reality, we might find ourselves in a similar situation to Germany some years down the road.. In such a situation, your comparison would be more sensible.
 

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I agree that trying to make certain thoughts or the promotion of certain ideas illegal is counter-productive. It merely adds weight to the ravings of lunatics.


Why is the holocaust more significant than any other genocide?

-It killed at least one third of the Jews in the world.

-The other 5 million were made up of a number of groups........gays, Gypsies, the infirm, the mentally defective, socialists, communists, Slavs, criminals, resistors.....and on and on. the jews were by far the largest group.

-It was the culmination, the climax of over a thousand years of Jew-hatred and Jew murder in Europe.

-It was industrialized.....the only genocide in which the full resources of the state were directed at the transport and scientific elimination of a group based on their religion.....

-Most importantly, the Holocaust is so very important for one reason: the Germans are us. White, Christian, educated, civilized, in 1932 living in a western democracy.....We can find some way to dismiss all other genocide; some way to feel morally superior....the Ukraine?: those damn commies at it again.....after all Stalin murdered about 20 million, what do you expect from a totaltarian communist dictatorship? Rwanda? Black folks you know.....uneducated.....wild....tribal hatreds......Cambodia? Commie Asians from a peasant population (I'm being polite here) Turkey's murder of the Armenians? Those damn muslims!

The German move to totally annihilate Judaism is not so easily dismissed from our collective western conscience.

That is why it is overwhelmingly important.

The "alleged murder" of one third of the Jews Colpy. Certainly anyone interested in revisionist history (as opposed to the fabricated trunceated norm) would have an interest in reexamination of the period with no preconception or bias other than the figures and the stories do not represent an unassailable truth. It is shamefull that right now five to eight million Congolese have been murdered/exterminated subjected to the most horrific treatment and we discuss the past and the Jews while we make no recognition of the present suffering of others and are asked to solidify in our childrens minds the plight of Europes Jews as the benchmark in human brutality, well it's finished business, those dead, however many, must not be allowed to blind us to the crimes of today and that is exactly what the Jewish holocaust has been employed to do and continues to be employed to do. They are not the only ones to bleed and they, the living Jews, certainly do not deserve treatment or consideration divorced from their actions of today. We otherwise could condemn modern Italians to bear the sins of their remote ancestors or the Portuguese for their shamefull barbaric treatment of slaves or the hateful American frontiersmen who gleefully exterminated the first peoples, why in the name of all that's sane and honest are the Germans in particular and the rest of the worlds people in general made to wallow in and celebrate the marketing of this old crime? The Jews have no claim to any exceptional considerations for their bad luck, in fact the numbers, even if they are real as reported are comparatively smaller than many other genocides in the same century. Unanswered uninvestigated questions if left to fester will only grow in number and intensity.
I suspect that you Colpy do not have an appreciation of history beyond what's been afforded you in the movies and the base victors propaganda that has passed and continues to pass for factually correct history.
 

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Colpy reply->"From your own site above:

http://judaism.about.com/library/2_h...bl_leitner.htm

What more do you want? "

Specifics--that testimony is a joke--think about what he is saying-not that difficult Colpy--they were all just standing around naked waiting to be gassed picked out little boys-- a junior officer would get a promotion for reporting that

Below is the US Holocaust Memorial Museum web site

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_oi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005145&MediaId=1217

Just over 3 million killed in camps? More than the same five questionable witnesses would be nice. Dr. Toben did soil tests and found the soil to be pristine/undesturbed--no graves,ashes, that is why he is being persecuted
 

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Andem-I sat by chance in a gun permit course beside a young German here to teach under supervision in a secondary school to gain methodology and english experience, University degree, had been in German army, married, wife in Germany, can't wait to get home for Christmas--he got 100 on both tests--I asked him what is taught in schools about the Holocaust--Translated to English IT IS FACT AND DOES NOT NEED TO BE QUESTIONED--ask Galeleo, Copernicus, und Andem solst du denken-- die Deutchen leute lassen sich das einreden (einschprechen)-- wie kinder fuer den Krampus warten. Mein Hoch Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut. Macht ist nicht Recht.
 

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Jews Strolling to the Gas Chambers–with Rest Stops and Picnics along the Way

The following images are all from The Auschwitz Album which was supposedly “discovered” (read: “stolen”) by a self-styled “concentration camp survivor” Lili Meier. The complete collection of 192 photographs from this one book can be seen at the USHMM website where it is a major feature of their collection. The same album and pictures are also a major feature of the Yad Vashem archives in Israel with similar, but not exactly the same, captions as those given by the USHMM. The images below with their captions are as they appear at the USHMM archive website.


Friedrich Paul Berg's "NaziGassings.com"
 

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One of the prisoners in the War Crimes Enclosure at Dachau was Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen, an SS judge who had investigated corruption and crimes against the prisoners in the Nazi concentration camps. Dr. Morgen was incarcerated as a war criminal at Dachau because he was a member of the SS.
During the war, Dr. Morgen had investigated 800 concentration camp cases and had then brought charges against 200 SS men, including 5 commandants, of whom 2 were shot after being convicted of murdering prisoners in their concentration camps. He had investigated the Buchenwald camp for 8 months before dismissing charges against Ilse Koch, the wife of Commandant Karl Otto Koch, who had allegedly ordered lamp shades to be made out of human skin. In Dr. Morgen's court, Koch was convicted of ordering the murder of two prisoners and was subsequently executed by the Nazis.

thousands of American soldiers who were brought to Dachau on the orders of General Dwight D. Eisenhower so they could witness the gas chamber and the crematory ovens. A set of 10 photographs of Dachau were on sale at the Museum, so the soldiers could later tell their families that they were there when Dachau was liberated and they had the photos to prove it.

the Jewish State Secretary of the Bavarian Government, which read "THIS AREA IS BEING RETAINED AS A SHRINE TO THE 238,000 INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE CREMATED HERE PLEASE DON'T DESTROY". The number of prisoners incarcerated at Dachau in its 12-year history was only 206,206, so this figure must have included other cremations which were done there. The bodies of a few of the Waffen-SS soldiers who were killed by the Americans, or beaten to death by the inmates, during the liberation were cremated in these ovens, as well as the bodies of the Nazi war criminals who were executed after being convicted at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal, but that still doesn't add up to 238,000.

The records of the Dachau concentration camp had been confiscated by the American liberators, but eventually they were turned over to the International Red Cross Tracing Service. These and records showed that 31,951 prisoners had died at Dachau during its 12 year history that half of the deaths occurred during the typhus epidemic in the last six months. As a result of bombings and a complete collapse of all in Germany-

Dachau Concentration Camp, gas chamber, SS Training Camp, Dachau Trials, Town of Dachau, Memorial Site

Even at Auschwitz, famous survivor Elie Wiesel had an operation on his foot and Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank, was allowed to stay in the Auschwitz hospital for three months because he was suffering from exhaustion. Why were they not Gassed, shot, clubbed ??

 

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Scratch Lone wolf, it's more to your aptitude. Neither of you had time to read anything.
You boys have difficulty with your own data when it conflicts with what you believe to be true. Sad that you consider yourselves thinkers.