Voting complications

[JamesBondo]

Kinda weird to hear James Bondo defend the bureaucracy.

Still not sure what exactly is the problem. I've voted in every election in the past 3 decades. Sometimes I had a voters card, most of the time i haven't. But no one has ever challenged my right to vote. I show them ID and proof of address,then I'm in and out in 5 minutes.

It is my right to complain if I vote or not.

Not voting is a vote for the status quo or whatever the status quo becomes. If you feel like complaining, go for it. But complaining and not voting is ridiculous.

 

[lone wolf]

I figure as long as I get my name stroked off that list that says I was there, then I cared enough to show up. For what I cast my ballot is nobody's business but mine.

I'm just wondering what we're paying for....

At least they get dependable mail delivery. The postal matron here at Wahnapitae operates the place like it's her own private fifedom.

All too frequently I, and others on my route, get misdirected mail and have mail lost. Just as frequently there are sticky notes attached to mail that is addressed incorrectly (meaning petty details and a requirement to think a bit) That's understandable - but why attack the recipient? Tuesday, I received a telephone call from my bank. Apparently a statement was returned with the notification I had moved. I've been here nine years and the address han't changed. I had words with the lady - but I feel that is not enough to cut through her attitude.

I would like to believe I am getting all the First Class mail sent my way. With the losses of four years worth of rent receipts while being returned by the Ontario Government, a bank card last October, several statements (from the same bank who was informed "moved") errant mail delivered by neighbours and misdirected mail in my own box, I don't think so. I wonder how much private information is in the hands of unintended recipients. In approaching Canada Post via Facebook PM (as the chase-your-tail CP complaint site was annoying) I was hoping to remain discreet. I really don't wish to have un-necessary press or police involvement.

BTW - as of today, this month's hydro bill has not yet arrived. Who to blame....

Oh yeah ... for anyone who's interested, the Bill arrived - along with the errant bank statement, re-enveloped and set ALL in caps in exactly the same address as before

 

[taxslave]

...and still just as easy to send a person to the wrong polling station based on lousy information

Actually you can vote at any polling station, even if it is not in your riding. Just the people working there have to do a little extra work. Problem is elections hire lots of temporary employees for a short time with very little training.
In the last 45 years I have done about all there is to do with elections from counting ballots,to scrutineer to Riding association president to deputy returning officer.

 

[gerryh]

It is my right to complain if I vote or not.

So you say...I say, you don't vote, then STFU...... and when it comes to you in general.... I say STFU, regardless.

 

[lone wolf]

Actually you can vote at any polling station, even if it is not in your riding. Just the people working there have to do a little extra work. Problem is elections hire lots of temporary employees for a short time with very little training.
In the last 45 years I have done about all there is to do with elections from counting ballots,to scrutineer to Riding association president to deputy returning officer.

Nice creds!

I scrutinized a few - but then I sort of lost faith in the system. To this day, the system hasn't proven me so wrong

 

[Frankiedoodle]

You are right Anna,, Elections Canada is a huge organization. While they must make internal policies on their own, Parliament is in the end responsible.

 

[taxslave]

Nice creds!

I scrutinized a few - but then I sort of lost faith in the system. To this day, the system hasn't proven me so wrong

There isn't a better system of getting government yet except making me emperor. That would solve a whole host of problems.

You are right Anna,, Elections Canada is a huge organization. While they must make internal policies on their own, Parliament is in the end responsible.

Elections Canada is independent of Parliament. At least in theory because it is a non partisan body.

 

[JLM]

Actually you can vote at any polling station, even if it is not in your riding. Just the people working there have to do a little extra work. Problem is elections hire lots of temporary employees for a short time with very little training.
In the last 45 years I have done about all there is to do with elections from counting ballots,to scrutineer to Riding association president to deputy returning officer.

Yep, it's pretty hard to find a valid excuse for not voting. I think I heard somewhere if you don't have any I.D. but can find two people who can vouch for who you are you can vote.

 

[gerryh]

Yep, it's pretty hard to find a valid excuse for not voting. I think I heard somewhere if you don't have any I.D. but can find two people who can vouch for who you are you can vote.

That is right.

 

[Frankiedoodle]

Two things:
Parliament does pass laws considering the voting of Canadians. They passed laws that have made quite a difference since the last election.

One of the changes they made since the last election was regarding vouching. Since there are a lot of homeless people who have no driver's licence. The other ID that they have (ie)health care cards.

Another bit of ID they will take are bills with your name and address. Like power bill, even a credit card bill.

These are things the homeless just don't have.

It used to be that, if you didn't have any of the necessary paperwork, you could have someone, who was able to vote, to vouch for you.
It used to be that several people could be vouched for by one person.
The change this year is that a person can only vouch for one voter. May not seem like much of a difference but it disenfranchises many.

 

[JLM]

Two things:
Parliament does pass laws considering the voting of Canadians. They passed laws that have made quite a difference since the last election.

One of the changes they made since the last election was regarding vouching. Since there are a lot of homeless people who have no driver's licence. The other ID that they have (ie)health care cards.

Another bit of ID they will take are bills with your name and address. Like power bill, even a credit card bill.

These are things the homeless just don't have.

It used to be that, if you didn't have any of the necessary paperwork, you could have someone, who was able to vote, to vouch for you.
It used to be that several people could be vouched for by one person.
The change this year is that a person can only vouch for one voter. May not seem like much of a difference but it disenfranchises many.

Is there really a valid reason for a person not to have I.D. if he/she wants it? It's normally about 4 years between elections which I would guess would give a person time to get I.D.

 

[Walter]

It used to be that, if you didn't have any of the necessary paperwork, you could have someone, who was able to vote, to vouch for you.
It used to be that several people could be vouched for by one person.
The change this year is that a person can only vouch for one voter. May not seem like much of a difference but it disenfranchises many.

Too effin bad.

 

[lone wolf]

Yep, it's pretty hard to find a valid excuse for not voting. I think I heard somewhere if you don't have any I.D. but can find two people who can vouch for who you are you can vote.

That works if you care and will look for the solution. As falling voter turn-outs suggest, a lot of folk don't. Bureaucratizing the system (ie fukking things up in such a way your own position seems justified) only makes it less appealing

 

[JamesBondo]

Two things:
Parliament does pass laws considering the voting of Canadians. They passed laws that have made quite a difference since the last election.

One of the changes they made since the last election was regarding vouching. Since there are a lot of homeless people who have no driver's licence. The other ID that they have (ie)health care cards.

Another bit of ID they will take are bills with your name and address. Like power bill, even a credit card bill.

These are things the homeless just don't have.

It used to be that, if you didn't have any of the necessary paperwork, you could have someone, who was able to vote, to vouch for you.
It used to be that several people could be vouched for by one person.
The change this year is that a person can only vouch for one voter. May not seem like much of a difference but it disenfranchises many.

Your inability to plan ahead does not make it a concern of mine.

 

[AnnaG]

There isn't a better system of getting government yet except making me emperor. That would solve a whole host of problems.

Emperor Taxslave? hhmmm Weird name. Maybe Emperor Penguin? hahahaha

 

[taxslave]

Two things:
Parliament does pass laws considering the voting of Canadians. They passed laws that have made quite a difference since the last election.

One of the changes they made since the last election was regarding vouching. Since there are a lot of homeless people who have no driver's licence. The other ID that they have (ie)health care cards.

Another bit of ID they will take are bills with your name and address. Like power bill, even a credit card bill.

These are things the homeless just don't have.

It used to be that, if you didn't have any of the necessary paperwork, you could have someone, who was able to vote, to vouch for you.
It used to be that several people could be vouched for by one person.
The change this year is that a person can only vouch for one voter. May not seem like much of a difference but it disenfranchises many.

The few it might disenfranchise most probably wouldn't bother to vote unless someone is paying them to vote anyway.

Emperor Taxslave? hhmmm Weird name. Maybe Emperor Penguin? hahahaha

Just Emperor will do thanks.

 

[JLM]

The change this year is that a person can only vouch for one voter. May not seem like much of a difference but it disenfranchises many.

How many people who are disenfranchised are because they want all of the benefits and none of the responsibilities? The world is largely made up of two types of people.......................the givers and the takers! I think MOST people in society get treated as good or better than they deserve. Of course there are many exceptions.

 

[Frankiedoodle]

Possibly it is some deep problem that causes you to not have empathy with my unfounded "inability to plan ahead". I have no issue with planning ahead, and most times being early. However I drive through the "hood" several times a week. These residents have as much right to vote, as you and I do. That is why I was bringing up some of their concerns at making the voting was important to me.

When we are ninety, and waiting, in a long, long, long, line waiting for a room in the nursing home, it will all even out.
It makes no sense to think that these people who have no where to live want to live that way. The group of friends who cannot get jobs (even McD jobs) we are in the unfortunate age group of over 55 and having to collect social assistance. They are the couch surfers. No permanent address, no bills, cannot afford a driver's licence. These are people with university degrees, one with a masters. These women (and men) are out there looking but get no where. I would take them all into my house if I could.

 

[AnnaG]

The few it might disenfranchise most probably wouldn't bother to vote unless someone is paying them to vote anyway.



Just Emperor will do thanks.

hahaha

 

[petros]

Sofa king wee Todd did.