Voter turnout drops to record low

Tonington

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Yes, the requirement to have photo id with your address on it.

Right. Those with an address. If they had no address like a homeless person who is not living in a shelter, they would have to have someone who is registered in the same voting district vouch for them. But if they have no residence, then they have no voter district either...Try finding what riding you're in without an address...

I had to bring my lease agreement to show my new address.

It's a small change, but my point stands. The Feds don't care how many people vote, and the new regulations made it tougher for some people to actually register to vote...You disagree?
 

Risus

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If I'm wearing a towel over my face I could be anyone using the ID of 42% of the population
Actually, elections Canada passed a rule last friday that if someone tried to vote with their face covered, they would be asked to remove it in a private area to prove identification. It didn't happen in the voting station I was working.
 

Scott Free

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Voter turnout across Canada

Newfoundland and Labrador.......48.1%
New Brunswick.......................62.8%
Nova Scotia............................60.7%
P.E.I. ...................................69.5%
Quebec.................................61.1%
Ontario.................................59.1%
Manitoba...............................56.8%
Saskatchewan.........................59.4%
Alberta..................................52.9%
British Columbia.......................61.0%
Northwest Territories...............48.6%
Yukon...................................63.7%
Nunavut................................49.4%

All in all ... quite pitiful. 42% of a population just doesn't give a damn....

I don't think it's like that. I know someone who didn't vote, despite my best efforts to try and get him to, and the reason was simple: there was no one to vote for in his opinion (which I agree with). He wasn't willing to settle and I was. That's what it came down to. So I voted and he didn't.
 

Risus

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I don't think it's like that. I know someone who didn't vote, despite my best efforts to try and get him to, and the reason was simple: there was no one to vote for in his opinion (which I agree with). He wasn't willing to settle and I was. That's what it came down to. So I voted and he didn't.
He should have at least gone and spoiled his ballot. At least then he is making a statement.
 

Tonington

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He should have at least gone and spoiled his ballot. At least then he is making a statement.

You don't think record low turnout aka voter apathy is a statement? Anything I can say about voter apathy I can also say about spoiled ballots, save for the lazy person excuse.
 

lone wolf

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You don't think record low turnout aka voter apathy is a statement? Anything I can say about voter apathy I can also say about spoiled ballots, save for the lazy person excuse.

YOU can say it. We'd probably know what you mean. People in positions of power don't think in logical patterns though. It's funny how they who believe they're great will hear acceptance in a silence.
 

Praxius

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Actually the reports here have been looking into why many didn't vote this election and one main factor in every case in ever location was due to rule changes.

When you goto vote, you need to present photo ID with address in order to vote. Since this is only the second election I got involved in, I figured this was just standard practice, but apparently most never needed to in the past.

Now some here may think this wouldn't have been a big issue, but I know first hand in the few mins I was at the polling station, I seen several people get turned away because they didn't bring ID, they got pissy, then shrugged it off and said "Fine, then I just won't vote... I don't have time for this."

So those were several votes that never got made because of it.... either due to their own laziness, their own inability to read the information on the cards they were carrying, and perhaps due to less coverage of this change being a requirement..... who knows?

But it was a factor on why less votes were made.

Granted, I also still believe there was a good chunk who still decided not to vote, but I know there were many who were turned away for the above and never bothered to come back to vote.
 

Nuggler

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:cool: I was listening to a talk radio show yesterday, whilst drivin along, and it was stated that ;
The people most likely not to vote are young
But, those same people are the most tech. savy.
Therefore, if it could be done SECURELY............(big "if")??
Let voting take place online.

Seems to make sense to me, whadya think?
 

lone wolf

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If the kids were more aware.... Who talks about politics around a dinner table any more? What family still sits together at the same table? Kids see same ol' same ol' ... lying, cheating, scamming and denying on a scale they'd serve a forever in detention. You have people who talk about doing great things ... but nobody ever really goes out and does them. Wipe out poverty ... then take away the good-paying jobs. Pass laws against violent crime ... then go off to fight in a war to support - oil. Outlaw gangs and bullying ... while preaching the virtues of party politics. Can you really blame kids for being disillusioned?
 
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lone wolf

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TenPenny

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Tax returns can be made secure, so voting should be fairly straightforward as well.

Halifax is experimenting with electronic and voting by phone in the upcoming municipal election.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2008/09/25/halifax-electronic-voting.html

And it's a freaking disaster, from what I heard. All you need is the card and the voters birthdate. In apartment buildings, people have seen stacks of voter cards tossed in the trash (ie, on the floor) by residents. You could easily grab all the voter cards for your family and friends, and vote in their stead.
 

Praxius

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Apparently this issue I mentioned goes a bit farther:



New voting rules blamed for historically low turnout
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...ction2008_081013/20081015?s_name=election2008

New voting rules are being blamed in part for the low number of Canadians who went to the polls in Tuesday's election. Only 59.1 per cent of those eligible voted -- possibly the lowest turnout in the country's history.




The new rules, which require voters to produce valid identification with an address, made it difficult for some students, aboriginals and rural Canadians to cast their ballots.




The federal Election Act, amended two years ago, requires everyone voting to produce government-issued identification that includes a street name and house number.




But about one million Canadians living in rural areas don't have an address with a street name and number, and for some Aboriginals their only address is the name of their reserve.




Post-secondary students across the country have complained about their difficulty in voting. They can vote in the riding they study in, but considering it was an October election, many of them would not have an up-to-date bill or ID marked with their current address.




Mark Coffin, of the Dalhousie University student union in Halifax, said that more than half of the students who came to a university polling station were turned away.




"The rules are too strict for students who are very transient," he told The Canadian Press. "It's a shame for democracy when you neglect a substantial portion of that voter base in a federal election . . . The current system definitely needs to be looked at."




David Rutherford of Elections Canada said that officials do not know yet how many Canadians could not vote because of the new rules. Anyone who had trouble voting is urged to call the agency.




Not just the new rules




Although a low turnout generally helps the incumbent, Prime Minister Stephen Harper expressed disappointment with the all-time low.




"We're obviously disappointed by voter turnout. It's low and been getting lower for some time now," Harper said Wednesday.




Pollster Peter Donolo of the Strategic Counsel said that many of the parties, but particularly the Liberals, had supporters who decided not to vote this time around.




"That low turnout plummeted even further because too many Liberal voters, 850,000 of them, sat this one out," he told CTV News.




Some political scientists say that the race itself may have turned people off from voting.




Jon Pammett, a Carleton University political scientist, told The Canadian Press that some voters may have thought there wasn't enough competition in the election to make it worthwhile to vote.
 

Ron in Regina

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If the kids were more aware.... Who talks about politics around a dinner table any more? What family still sits together at the same table? Kids see same ol' same ol' ... lying, cheating, scamming and denying on a scale they'd serve a forever in detention. You have people who talk about doing great things ... but nobody ever really goes out and does them. Wipe out poverty ... then take away the good-paying jobs. Pass laws against violent crime ... then go off to fight in a war to support - oil. Outlaw gangs and bullying ... while preaching the virtues of party politics. Can you really blame kids for being disillusioned?

My Son wont be 21 for another three months, and he's already voted Civilly,
Provincially, and Federally...twice. We talk about politics at the supper table.
Canadian, U.S., Global...

If anything, the onus to educate our youth falls firmly on the shoulders of their
parents. Blame the parents, not the young voters. Politicians will always be
dirty (or be accused of being dirty), but the onus is on all of us to educate our
youth to lead us away from a 58% voter turn-out. Remembrance Day is a
great day to explain a citizens responsibility to get of their sofa and go vote.
The worse things are, the more reason to go and vote.
 

scratch

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My Son wont be 21 for another three months, and he's already voted Civilly,
Provincially, and Federally...twice. We talk about politics at the supper table.
Canadian, U.S., Global...

If anything, the onus to educate our youth falls firmly on the shoulders of their
parents. Blame the parents, not the young voters. Politicians will always be
dirty (or be accused of being dirty), but the onus is on all of us to educate our
youth to lead us away from a 58% voter turn-out. Remembrance Day is a
great day to explain a citizens responsibility to get of their sofa and go vote.
The worse things are, the more reason to go and vote.

Very well put, Ron.
Kudos.

scratch
 

Stretch

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Yes, and I bet it's a blessing for candidates whose name starts with an 'a'. God forbid your name should start with a zed.

in Australia they have compulsory voting and the names on the ballot are picked out of a hat to see what order they go in on the ballot paper.
we have what is termed "preferential voting" which means you have to vote for every candidate, numbering them from 1 to 6 if there are 6 on the ballot. I remember one election where we were voting for the senate....53 of them, the ballot paper was damn near 6ft long

Oh, and the "perferential voting" system is designed to make it extremely hard for someone or party to come along and rock the 2 party boat...however, Pauline Hanson and One Nation did it and damn near tipped the 2 party boat over!