Voices Of Palestine

[ironsides]

That probably is the reason, but other religious people swear the oath and Israel does not require them to change religion. Guess the big problem is that a non Jew could never be Prime Minister.

 

[earth_as_one]

Normally, "democratic" states don't require their minorities to swear an oath of permanent subservience to the religious majority or face being stripped of their citizenship.

This is just the latest step toward de-legitimizing Arab Israelis. Eventually the Zionist state of Israel will strip all Arab Israeli of their citizenship, seize their "abandoned" property and transfer them to refugee camps where they will join the millions of other Arabs who have already been ethnically cleansed off the land over the last 60 + years.

 

[ironsides]

"The measure was largely symbolic, since few non-Jews apply for citizenship." No one is stripping anyone of their citizenship.

 

[earth_as_one]

Non-Jews can only immigrate to Israel if they are married to a Jewish Israeli. Children and spouses of Arab Israelis cannot apply for Israeli citizenship.
BBC News - Families fight 'racist' Israeli citizenship law

 

[ironsides]

Israeli citizenship laws maybe discriminatory, but they tried and look what happened. Quoting bbc news from your post.
"The Citizenship and Entry Law was passed in 2003, during the second Palestinian uprising, as waves of suicide bombings targeted Israeli public places.
Many were launched from the West Bank, some with the help of Israeli Arabs.
Initially, the law - emergency legislation that has since been extended yearly - said that no-one with a West Bank or Gaza ID card would be given permission to move to Israel to be with a spouse there."

 

[earth_as_one]

You'd be hard pressed to find another country which discriminates more blatantly than Israel. Given current Israeli attitudes, its unlikely anti-Arab prejudice, oppression and injustice will end soon.

Recent Polls:
Poll: 46% of high-schoolers don't want equality for Arabs - Israel News, Ynetnews
Poll: 46% of high-schoolers don't want equality for Arabs

Some 81% of religious students said they would refuse to evacuate settlements, versus 36% of secular counterparts. Every second student is opposed to granting right to vote to Arabs, and 32% don't want Arab friends

Yaheli Moran Zelikovich
Published: 03.11.10, 10:42 / Israel News


....more than half of them believe that Arabs should not be allowed to vote in Knesset elections. One out of every six students would not want to study in the same class with an Ethiopian or an immigrant from the former Soviet Union, and 21% of them think that "Death to Arabs" is a legitimate expression.
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Israel's racist laws often create weird Kafkaesque situations like this:
Worlds apart | World news | The Guardian

...Israel's system of classification deems Said Rhateb to be a resident of the West Bank - somewhere he has never lived - and an illegal alien for living in the home in which he was born, inside the Jerusalem boundary. Jerusalem's council forces Rhateb to pay substantial property taxes on his house but that does not give him the right to live in it, and he is periodically arrested for doing so. Rhateb's children have been thrown out of their Jerusalem school, he cannot register a car in his name - or rather he can, but only one with Palestinian number plates, which means he cannot drive it to his home because only Israeli-registered cars are allowed within Jerusalem - and he needs a pass to visit the centre of the city. The army grants him about four a year.

There is more. If Rhateb is not legally resident in his own home, then he is defined as an "absentee" who has abandoned his property. Under Israeli law, it now belongs to the state or, more particularly, its Jewish citizens. "They sent papers that said we cannot sell the land or develop it because we do not own the land. It belongs to the state," he says. "Any time they want to confiscate it, they can, because they say we are absentees even though we are living in the house. That's what forced my older brother and three sisters to live in the US. They couldn't bear the harassment."...

Example of what Israeli border guards do to amuse themselves:
Israeli troops humiliate Palestinians - and put it on YouTube
Border Police 'tradition' has Palestinians slapping themselves, singing songs of praise to troops.
Israeli troops humiliate Palestinians - and put it on YouTube - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Discrimination starts at birth and continues until death:

...Dr Kanaaneh said no Arab had ever risen above the position of sub-district physician he held two decades ago. Although the health ministry had the largest number of Arab employees of any ministry, he said none had ever been appointed to a policy-making position.

“In fact, people in the ministry tell me things have gone backwards under recent right-wing governments.”

He added that the lack of Arab policymakers in government had concrete consequences that damaged the Arab community. When he worked in the health ministry, he noted, the Arab infant mortality rate was twice that of the Jewish population. Two decades later the ratio of Arab to Jewish infant deaths, rather than declining, had increased by a further 25 per cent.

The prejudice faced by educated Arabs seeking employment was highlighted by a survey last November. It found that 83 per cent of Israeli businesses in the main professions admitted being opposed to hiring Arab graduates....

Arab Israeli barred from Public Sector employment

Education
Human Rights Watch: Second Class: Discrimination Against Palestinian Arab Children in Israel's Schools - Summary

Nearly one in four of Israel's 1.6 million schoolchildren are educated in a public school system wholly separate from the majority. The children in this parallel school system are Israeli citizens of Palestinian Arab origin. Their schools are a world apart in quality from the public schools serving Israel's majority Jewish population. Often overcrowded and understaffed, poorly built, badly maintained, or simply unavailable, schools for Palestinian Arab children offer fewer facilities and educational opportunities than are offered other Israeli children. This report is about Israel's discrimination against its Palestinian Arab children in guaranteeing the right to education.

The Israeli government operates two separate school systems, one for Jewish children and one for Palestinian Arab children. Discrimination against Palestinian Arab children colors every aspect of the two systems. Education Ministry authorities have acknowledged that the ministry spends less per student in the Arab system than in the Jewish school system. The majority's schools also receive additional state and state-sponsored private funding for school construction and special programs through other government agencies. The gap is enormous--on every criterion measured by Israeli authorities. ..

Can anyone name another country with an equally abysmal human rights record as Israel which is unshakably supported by the Canadian government?

 

[ironsides]

I am quoting myself again: And just what have the Palestinian's offered Israel? Nothing that I have heard of except to maybe stop shooting at them. As has been said many times before, Israel has given back land only to be attacked again from it. Enough is enough. Either the Palestinian's unilaterally stop attacking Israel or disband and join some country who will welcome them.

Offering freedom to possibly be a real citizen will come later. First the Palestinian's must cease all hostilities against Israeli, then they both can get down and have a serious discussion.

 

[earth_as_one]

Is a thief being generous when they offer to return some of the money they stole?

Maybe Israel should cease all hostilities against Palestinians first and allow the free flow of food, medicine and other international aid. Maybe Israel should stop committing war crimes and crimes against humanity or face the consequences from the international community. Maybe the international community should demand Israel respect international laws, treaties and conventions governing war, respect for civilians, their property and the right of war refugees to return home and or receive compensation.

When will Israel stop stealing Palestinian land to build Jewish only colonies, mine and quarry Palestinians resources and stop dumping their trash on Palestinian land? Also, what about the thousands of Palestinians rotting in Israeli torture chambers without ever being charged with a single crime? Most of these people are guilty of being related to people of interest or winning an election. Also, lets not overlook the hundreds of Palestinian children held in prison cells with adult men. I'm sure their families would like their children back.

I fail to see how anyone could assume Israel is genuinely interested in peace, and not interested in stealing more from Palestinians. I assume current peace talks are about theatrics.

Its obvious that Israel's leaders intend to steal what little remains of Palestine from Palestinians, while they pretend to be interested in peace. Their long term goal is to force Palestinians including those with Israeli citizenship into a series of internationally funded concentration camps where they will suffer injustice and oppression indefinitely. I wouldn't expect Israel's leaders to state their true intentions, since it would force the US and the rest of the world to acknowledge ongoing Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity. While Israel's leaders continue stealing Palestinian property, they will continue to pretend to be interested in peace and America's leaders will continue to pretend to believe them. Israeli apologists will continue to believe Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity are justifiable. Palestinians have no hope that they will ever know justice or freedom, which is why Israel will be in a constant state of war with these people.

 

[ironsides]

Is a thief being generous when they offer to return some of the money they stole?

Tried that, done that didn't work. Didn't Ali Baba teach you anything. Next.

 

[earth_as_one]

Ali Baba is a fictional character. A thief who stole from thieves.
Ali Baba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If this story is applied to the current situation in Israel and the occupied territories, the Palestinians would be the original victims of the original theft. Israel would be the 40 thieves. No Ali Baba like character exists to steal from Israel, what Israel stole from the Palestinians. But the Palestinians have about as much chance getting back their stolen property as the unknown victims who were originally robbed by the 40 thieves in the fictional story.

The Palestinian story is about 60 + years of injustice and oppression, mostly at the hands of Jewish refugees fleeing the horrors of Nazi Europe in the 1930's and 40's and their descendants. The actions of these refugees who suffered centuries of injustice and oppression prove that human nature has a dark side. Its human nature to steal and subject others to injustice and oppression if we believe we can get away with it. That's why people did these things to Jews and why some Jews do the same things to Palestinians.

Anyone who supports the Zionist state of Israel is either willfully ignorant or callous. You are no different than the people who supported all the oppression, injustice and cruelty endured by Jews. Effectively, Israel has turned Palestinians into the new Jews.

 

[Colpy]

Ali Baba is a fictional character. A thief who stole from thieves.
Ali Baba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If this story is applied to the current situation in Israel and the occupied territories, the Palestinians would be the original victims of the original theft. Israel would be the 40 thieves. No Ali Baba like character exists to steal from Israel, what Israel stole from the Palestinians. But the Palestinians have about as much chance getting back their stolen property as the unknown victims who were originally robbed by the 40 thieves in the fictional story.

The Palestinian story is about 60 + years of injustice and oppression, mostly at the hands of Jewish refugees fleeing the horrors of Nazi Europe in the 1930's and 40's and their descendants. The actions of these refugees who suffered centuries of injustice and oppression prove that human nature has a dark side. Its human nature to steal and subject others to injustice and oppression if we believe we can get away with it. That's why people did these things to Jews and why some Jews do the same things to Palestinians.

Anyone who supports the Zionist state of Israel is either willfully ignorant or callous. You are no different than the people who supported all the oppression, injustice and cruelty endured by Jews. Effectively, Israel has turned Palestinians into the new Jews.

Jonathan Kay on Muslim anti-Semitism: A hate reaching back 1,400 years | Full Comment | National Post

Anyone who supports the Zionist state of Israel is either willfully ignorant or callous. You are no different than the people who supported all the oppression, injustice and cruelty endured by Jews. Effectively, Israel has turned Palestinians into the new Jews.

Yeah right.

This from a guy that supports China.

 

[captain morgan]

Is a thief being generous when they offer to return some of the money they stole?

Is there a similar quip that will address the destruction wrought by the Palestinians through their campaign of indiscriminate missile attacks and bombings? How would they be able to give back the lives of those that they've killed or devastated by virtue of this cowardly act?

Maybe Israel should cease all hostilities against Palestinians first and allow the free flow of food, medicine and other international aid. Maybe Israel should stop committing war crimes and crimes against humanity or face the consequences from the international community. Maybe the international community should demand Israel respect international laws, treaties and conventions governing war, respect for civilians, their property and the right of war refugees to return home and or receive compensation.

Perhaps the Palestinians might divert a few dollars from the purchase of arms and build themselves an airstrip that will be capable of handling flights carrying aid. Maybe the Palestinians might get that aid from some other neighboring nations - oh, that's right, Egypt has a pseudo blockade in place as well.

I guess that says a lot about the charity that the neighboring countries have towards the Palestinians that you feel are victims in this ordeal.

I fail to see how anyone could assume Israel is genuinely interested in peace, and not interested in stealing more from Palestinians. I assume current peace talks are about theatrics.

Perhaps Israel should emulate the very terrorism that is being directed at it... Me thinks that this conflict would be over very quickly if "an eye for an eye" philosophy was adopted.

 

[earth_as_one]

Sure.

A woman who is getting raped over and over has a right to resist. Its murder when a rapist kills his rape victim, even when she resists.

Palestinians have been getting screwed for over 60 years. I'm not surprised a small minority have become violent. If you believe that Israel has a right to respond to violence with violence and you also believe in equality, then you must also accept that Palestinians have the same right as Israelis to respond to violence with violence.

Personally, I don't support violence. But I do support the concept of equal rights for everyone, including fundamental human rights.... and this is a battle for fundamental human rights. Palestinians don't even have a right to adequate food and medicine, let alone the luxuries of freedom or justice. Meanwhile Canada's government shamefully supports Palestinian oppression and persecution.

BTW, I fully support Palestinians, Israelis and Jews who bravely and non-violently resist Palestinian oppression and injustice.

For example:

Internationals, Israelis and Palestinians peacefully protest the construction of Israel’s Wall in the West Bank village of Bil’in
Photo: Palestine Monitor
Palestine Monitor Factsheet - Non-Violent Resistance

IMO, Canada's denial of a seat at the UN security council was in part a result of our government's unshakable support for Israel's cruel slaughter in Gaza and their ongoing ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem and the West Bank.

 

[Just the Facts]

IMO, Canada's denial of a seat at the UN security council was in part a result of our government's unshakable support for Israel's cruel slaughter in Gaza and their ongoing ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem and the West Bank.

Our government supports figments of lefty imagination? Hmm. I think what you meant to say is that Canada was denied the seat due to it's support of the only free and democratic state in the middle east. I believe I agree with you. That, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with the U.N. today and why it is falling into irrelevance.

 

[ironsides]

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Canada's denial of a seat at the UN security council was in part a result of our government's unshakable support for Israel's cruel slaughter in Gaza and their ongoing ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem and the West Bank.

If this is what you want, then it will be what you get. They do not want to co-exist. By the way, the UN should cease to exist in its present form also while were at it.

Muslim Policeman in Britain doesn't have to protect a Jew

YouTube - Muslim Policeman in Britain doesn't have to protect a Jew

 

[ironsides]

One more thing about Hamas.

HAMAS Casamento infantil Children Marriage

YouTube - HAMAS Casamento infantil Children Marriage

 

[Unforgiven]

If this is what you want, then it will be what you get. They do not want to co-exist. By the way, the UN should cease to exist in its present form also while were at it.

Muslim Policeman in Britain doesn't have to protect a Jew

You know these links to opinions that take the news and then change what the news is to what they want the news to be is sort of dishonest. No where is it said other than in the opinion that the Muslim cop doesn't have to protect a Jew. Big jump from guarding the Israel Embassy to stopping a Jew from being murdered in front of him. Maybe if there wasn't so much of this out and out horse ****, there wouldn't be so much hatred going on between these two groups and those who support either of them.

 

[Just the Facts]

No where is it said other than in the opinion that the Muslim cop doesn't have to protect a Jew. Big jump from guarding the Israel Embassy to stopping a Jew from being murdered in front of him.

No jump required, just being excused from guarding the embassy is more than enough "out and out horse****" and is totally unacceptable. A cop is a cop. Period.

 

[ironsides]

Got you all to read it, any cop that does not do his job should be fired. No excuses because of religion, he knew what he might be required to do.

 

[DaSleeper]

Jumping to conclusion by a TV station???
Damage control by the police department???

Your call

Scotland Yard has defended a decision to excuse a Muslim police officer from guarding the Israeli embassy arguing that it was about "safety and risk", not "political correctness".


Reports that Pc Alexander Omar Basha had been told not to work outside the embassy in central London caused a furore yesterday and led to an internal review by the Metropolitan police.

Muslim policeman excused from duty at Israeli embassy - Crime, UK - The Independent